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Discussion: Why do people think Britney Spears is the Queen of Pop?
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I don't care about your views as long as you admit Britney was once the most popular/powerful/influential artist in the pop world and she has once sat atop the pop landscape. Your views on her now are irrelevant 
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Originally posted by Monroe
Even if you check the certifications from her singles, they still don't measure up to the certifications she has in the U.S. factoring in the fact that the U.S. certifications are generally higher than the certifications for other countries it would follow that she sold more in the U.S. than she sold in those individual countries. I would totally argue that the statement that she sold 30 million singles outside of the U.S. because that number seems conspicuous on it's own. Considering the higher level of certification the U.S. has and the well known sales differences between other countries.
Also not trolling on this at all especially since Britney was the world first female teen pop artist that America experienced. It makes complete sense that future models that wanted success would imitate her.
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Then how do you explain this...
Bad Romance US - 4.5m
Bad Romance WW - 9.7m
Telephone US - 3m
Telephone WW - 7.4m
http://www.ifpi.org/content/library/DMR2011.pdf
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Originally posted by Monroe
Even if you check the certifications from her singles, they still don't measure up to the certifications she has in the U.S. factoring in the fact that the U.S. certifications are generally higher than the certifications for other countries it would follow that she sold more in the U.S. than she sold in those individual countries. I would totally argue that the statement that she sold 30 million singles outside of the U.S. because that number seems conspicuous on it's own. Considering the higher level of certification the U.S. has and the well known sales differences between other countries.
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IFPI report for 2010 had BR at 9.7m worldwide as of last November when it had sold ~4.4m US (similar ratio/sales for Poker Face the year before).
The report also had Telephone at 7.4m worldwide when it's still less than 3m copies sold in the US (huge sales in Asia). Alejandro was bigger overseas as well.
Many of her certifications are very outdated. I'll go with official sources over your inability to comprehend how overall market share works. Her overseas sales have always been bigger, and your estimation of her being in the 50m range is demonstrably off.
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"Britney served as a kind of placeholder between the Queen of Pop's heyday and the arrival of Lady Gaga."
And it's true. Such a shame though, hadn't she hadn't ****ed up her knee and married Kevin things would be different.
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Originally posted by Bibliotheque
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Jinx! 
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RobynYoBank, your post was incredible. 
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Originally posted by Hustle.
"Britney served as a kind of placeholder between the Queen of Pop's heyday and the arrival of Lady Gaga."
And it's true. Such a shame though, hadn't she hadn't ****ed up her knee and married Kevin things would be different.
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In other words, The crown has gone from Madonna to Britney and from Britney to Gaga...
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Originally posted by RobynYoBank
In addition to being preceded by a very similar and influential album, Blackout didn't have much of a part in changing the pop music scene. It is generally seen as Britney's largest commercial "flop." It didn't sell a lot of copies, the singles weren't hugely successful, and the pace of pop music didn't change as a result. It wasn't until a few years later when pop music, especially in the US really started turning towards an electronic sound, and, though I'm sure it will enrage many of you, I would argue that the Black Eyed Peas and Lady Gaga played a larger part in influencing the pop music scene in an electronic manner.
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I do not believe Britney is the or even a Queen of Pop. She is a pop singer that did have a huge part in the development of female pop acts in the early 21st century. She managed to obtain and maintain a devoted fanbase, even over the course of ten years. However, other than her initial entrance into the industry, which was based more on sexual imagery (since most of her early songs did not chart extremely well), she has shown relatively little power in actually shifting the direction of pop music at large, and thus, is not a "Queen," in my opinion.
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TRUTH BOMBS right here.
And are people seriously claiming that it's impossible for Gaga to have sold more albums/singles internationally than in the U.S. because of the size of the U.S. market? Are you all new to sales? She's hardly the first artist to be far more successful overseas. The receipts have been provided in this thread, I don't understand the contention. 
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Originally posted by RobynYoBank
Okay, I have a few things to address. This might be rather long, so I hope at least one person takes the time to read it. 
I will begin by saying that the most influential thing that Britney has ever done was the release of her first two albums in the period of 1999-2001. She and Christina are both remembered because they came into the picture at a time when boy bands were absolutely dominating the pop music scene and showed that female solo artists were capable on standing on their own two feet and competing. They both shifted the focus in some sense from boy bands to pop music, in general, bringing the sexual imagery full-force with them.
The second thing I have to address is the album Blackout. Many people claim this album is one of the most influential pop albums of the last decade. First of all, Blackout is a great album. It is my second favorite Britney album and I really like it. Though it preceded the large movement to electronic music in pop, I DO NOT believe that it can treasured for starting it. Robyn, along with the help of some of Britney's producers came out with her self-titled album Robyn two years before Britney's Blackout and I feel as if the influences of that album are clearly seen on Blackout (most clearly when Robyn actually stands in for backup vocals on one of the songs, which she also demoed for Britney).
In addition to being preceded by a very similar and influential album, Blackout didn't have much of a part in changing the pop music scene. It is generally seen as Britney's largest commercial "flop." It didn't sell a lot of copies, the singles weren't hugely successful, and the pace of pop music didn't change as a result. It wasn't until a few years later when pop music, especially in the US really started turning towards an electronic sound, and, though I'm sure it will enrage many of you, I would argue that the Black Eyed Peas and Lady Gaga played a larger part in influencing the pop music scene in an electronic manner.
On top of this, the relatively poor performance of Britney's two singles (I'm not trying to bring promo complaints or fan wars into this) might further indicate that the world is still not prepared for the electronic sound that Britney has brought to the table on Blackout and Femme Fatale, which Robyn also exhibited on Robyn and Body Talk.
I do not believe Britney is the or even a Queen of Pop. She is a pop singer that did have a huge part in the development of female pop acts in the early 21st century. She managed to obtain and maintain a devoted fanbase, even over the course of ten years. However, other than her initial entrance into the industry, which was based more on sexual imagery (since most of her early songs did not chart extremely well), she has shown relatively little power in actually shifting the direction of pop music at large, and thus, is not a "Queen," in my opinion.
The last thing I have to address is this Madonna comment. Everyone on this site says Madonna is "The Queen of Pop, forever and ever." Madonna is the most influential female pop artist of all time, yes. She is without a doubt, A Queen of Pop. But being the first does not mean you are the greatest. Someone is capable of coming onto the scene and being more of a pop influence than Madonna. It's like saying that Google is forever the most influential company on the web, the King of the Web, even when we now see Facebook emerging as the powerhouse of the web. The truth is, it's too soon to tell which company influenced the web more. The same is true with Madonna and any current artists. It is impossible to tell now (and maybe forever) which one really had more of an influence, because influence is a largely ambiguous term. But ultimately, Madonna can be not said to forever and always hold the title of having the largest influence on pop music and it annoys me when people assume that it is some universal truth.
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Originally posted by Bibliotheque
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Originally posted by MrPeanut
The reigning "queen of pop" can be whoever the most successful female pop artist at the moment is, it doesn't have to be static. Although the fixation on the title is pretty silly.
If you're talking about which artist has achieved the most over the span of their career, then nobody is touching Madonna. If we're talking about present pop culture relevance, then both her and Britney's heyday have come and gone.
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The only valid explanation in this thread. In no way is Britney the queen of pop. Depending on how you look at it, she, at best, WAS the queen of pop. Her stans will disagree, obviously, but it's just delusion talking.
All-time queen of pop = Madonna
Queen of pop for the majority of last decade = Britney
Current queen of pop = Lady Gaga
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Originally posted by RobynYoBank
Okay, I have a few things to address. This might be rather long, so I hope at least one person takes the time to read it.
I will begin by saying that the most influential thing that Britney has ever done was the release of her first two albums in the period of 1999-2001. She and Christina are both remembered because they came into the picture at a time when boy bands were absolutely dominating the pop music scene and showed that female solo artists were capable on standing on their own two feet and competing. They both shifted the focus in some sense from boy bands to pop music, in general, bringing the sexual imagery full-force with them.
The second thing I have to address is the album Blackout. Many people claim this album is one of the most influential pop albums of the last decade. First of all, Blackout is a great album. It is my second favorite Britney album and I really like it. Though it preceded the large movement to electronic music in pop, I DO NOT believe that it can treasured for starting it. Robyn, along with the help of some of Britney's producers came out with her self-titled album Robyn two years before Britney's Blackout and I feel as if the influences of that album are clearly seen on Blackout (most clearly when Robyn actually stands in for backup vocals on one of the songs, which she also demoed for Britney).
In addition to being preceded by a very similar and influential album, Blackout didn't have much of a part in changing the pop music scene. It is generally seen as Britney's largest commercial "flop." It didn't sell a lot of copies, the singles weren't hugely successful, and the pace of pop music didn't change as a result. It wasn't until a few years later when pop music, especially in the US really started turning towards an electronic sound, and, though I'm sure it will enrage many of you, I would argue that the Black Eyed Peas and Lady Gaga played a larger part in influencing the pop music scene in an electronic manner.
On top of this, the relatively poor performance of Britney's two singles (I'm not trying to bring promo complaints or fan wars into this) might further indicate that the world is still not prepared for the electronic sound that Britney has brought to the table on Blackout and Femme Fatale, which Robyn also exhibited on Robyn and Body Talk.
I do not believe Britney is the or even a Queen of Pop. She is a pop singer that did have a huge part in the development of female pop acts in the early 21st century. She managed to obtain and maintain a devoted fanbase, even over the course of ten years. However, other than her initial entrance into the industry, which was based more on sexual imagery (since most of her early songs did not chart extremely well), she has shown relatively little power in actually shifting the direction of pop music at large, and thus, is not a "Queen," in my opinion. |
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(since most of her early songs did not chart extremely well),
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They weren't released in the US LOL.
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Monroe you have trolled enough and dragged around the filthy corners of the room. Stop it. Please.
For my last time:
Unites States has the biggest market share, but is not (even close to) 50% of the world sales. All countries combined are more than the US.
Lady Gaga sells well outside US, thus worldwide...
We are not using 'gold certification in Latvia = US sales of gold, but in another country'. Why do you think so?
We are using actual numbers. There have been lots of receipts provided. 
The delusion.
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They weren't released in the US LOL.
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What are you talking about?
Yes, they were. "...Baby One More Time" was her first #1. Her second single off of ...Baby One More Time was also released in the US. The singles from her second album did not chart as high. Even Toxic only reached #9. She never got another #1 until "Womanizer". Stop playing stupid.
And stop extracting the tiniest bit from my essay and trying to reduce the entire essay with your ridiculous and almost entirely untrue statement.
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Originally posted by RobynYoBank
Okay, I have a few things to address. This might be rather long, so I hope at least one person takes the time to read it.
I will begin by saying that the most influential thing that Britney has ever done was the release of her first two albums in the period of 1999-2001. She and Christina are both remembered because they came into the picture at a time when boy bands were absolutely dominating the pop music scene and showed that female solo artists were capable on standing on their own two feet and competing. They both shifted the focus in some sense from boy bands to pop music, in general, bringing the sexual imagery full-force with them.
The second thing I have to address is the album Blackout. Many people claim this album is one of the most influential pop albums of the last decade. First of all, Blackout is a great album. It is my second favorite Britney album and I really like it. Though it preceded the large movement to electronic music in pop, I DO NOT believe that it can treasured for starting it. Robyn, along with the help of some of Britney's producers came out with her self-titled album Robyn two years before Britney's Blackout and I feel as if the influences of that album are clearly seen on Blackout (most clearly when Robyn actually stands in for backup vocals on one of the songs, which she also demoed for Britney).
In addition to being preceded by a very similar and influential album, Blackout didn't have much of a part in changing the pop music scene. It is generally seen as Britney's largest commercial "flop." It didn't sell a lot of copies, the singles weren't hugely successful, and the pace of pop music didn't change as a result. It wasn't until a few years later when pop music, especially in the US really started turning towards an electronic sound, and, though I'm sure it will enrage many of you, I would argue that the Black Eyed Peas and Lady Gaga played a larger part in influencing the pop music scene in an electronic manner.
On top of this, the relatively poor performance of Britney's two singles (I'm not trying to bring promo complaints or fan wars into this) might further indicate that the world is still not prepared for the electronic sound that Britney has brought to the table on Blackout and Femme Fatale, which Robyn also exhibited on Robyn and Body Talk.
I do not believe Britney is the or even a Queen of Pop. She is a pop singer that did have a huge part in the development of female pop acts in the early 21st century. She managed to obtain and maintain a devoted fanbase, even over the course of ten years. However, other than her initial entrance into the industry, which was based more on sexual imagery (since most of her early songs did not chart extremely well), she has shown relatively little power in actually shifting the direction of pop music at large, and thus, is not a "Queen," in my opinion.
The last thing I have to address is this Madonna comment. Everyone on this site says Madonna is "The Queen of Pop, forever and ever." Madonna is the most influential female pop artist of all time, yes. She is without a doubt, A Queen of Pop. But being the first does not mean you are the greatest. Someone is capable of coming onto the scene and being more of a pop influence than Madonna. It's like saying that Google is forever the most influential company on the web, the King of the Web, even when we now see Facebook emerging as the powerhouse of the web. The truth is, it's too soon to tell which company influenced the web more. The same is true with Madonna and any current artists. It is impossible to tell now (and maybe forever) which one really had more of an influence, because influence is a largely ambiguous term. But ultimately, Madonna can be not said to forever and always hold the title of having the largest influence on pop music and it annoys me when people assume that it is some universal truth.
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What are you talking about?
Yes, they were. ...Baby One More Time was her first #1. Her second single off of ...Baby One More Time was also released in the US. The singles from her second album did not chart as high. Even Toxic only reached #9. She never got another one until 3Womanizer. Stop playing stupid.
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They all charted based on airplay though, that's the reason they've never went so high, despite you all remembering them more than most of songs which charted higher than them... 
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Originally posted by RobynYoBank
What are you talking about?
Yes, they were. ...Baby One More Time was her first #1. Her second single off of ...Baby One More Time was also released in the US. The singles from her second album did not chart as high. Even Toxic only reached #9. She never got another #1 until 3. Stop playing stupid.
And stop extracting the tiniest bit from my essay and trying to reduce the entire essay with your ridiculous and almost entirely untrue statement.
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They weren't released. And it was Womanizer.
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Britney is queen of nothing but custody battles. 
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Originally posted by RobynYoBank
Okay, I have a few things to address. This might be rather long, so I hope at least one person takes the time to read it.
I will begin by saying that the most influential thing that Britney has ever done was the release of her first two albums in the period of 1999-2001. She and Christina are both remembered because they came into the picture at a time when boy bands were absolutely dominating the pop music scene and showed that female solo artists were capable on standing on their own two feet and competing. They both shifted the focus in some sense from boy bands to pop music, in general, bringing the sexual imagery full-force with them.
The second thing I have to address is the album Blackout. Many people claim this album is one of the most influential pop albums of the last decade. First of all, Blackout is a great album. It is my second favorite Britney album and I really like it. Though it preceded the large movement to electronic music in pop, I DO NOT believe that it can treasured for starting it. Robyn, along with the help of some of Britney's producers came out with her self-titled album Robyn two years before Britney's Blackout and I feel as if the influences of that album are clearly seen on Blackout (most clearly when Robyn actually stands in for backup vocals on one of the songs, which she also demoed for Britney).
In addition to being preceded by a very similar and influential album, Blackout didn't have much of a part in changing the pop music scene. It is generally seen as Britney's largest commercial "flop." It didn't sell a lot of copies, the singles weren't hugely successful, and the pace of pop music didn't change as a result. It wasn't until a few years later when pop music, especially in the US really started turning towards an electronic sound, and, though I'm sure it will enrage many of you, I would argue that the Black Eyed Peas and Lady Gaga played a larger part in influencing the pop music scene in an electronic manner.
On top of this, the relatively poor performance of Britney's two singles (I'm not trying to bring promo complaints or fan wars into this) might further indicate that the world is still not prepared for the electronic sound that Britney has brought to the table on Blackout and Femme Fatale, which Robyn also exhibited on Robyn and Body Talk.
I do not believe Britney is the or even a Queen of Pop. She is a pop singer that did have a huge part in the development of female pop acts in the early 21st century. She managed to obtain and maintain a devoted fanbase, even over the course of ten years. However, other than her initial entrance into the industry, which was based more on sexual imagery (since most of her early songs did not chart extremely well), she has shown relatively little power in actually shifting the direction of pop music at large, and thus, is not a "Queen," in my opinion.
The last thing I have to address is this Madonna comment. Everyone on this site says Madonna is "The Queen of Pop, forever and ever." Madonna is the most influential female pop artist of all time, yes. She is without a doubt, A Queen of Pop. But being the first does not mean you are the greatest. Someone is capable of coming onto the scene and being more of a pop influence than Madonna. It's like saying that Google is forever the most influential company on the web, the King of the Web, even when we now see Facebook emerging as the powerhouse of the web. The truth is, it's too soon to tell which company influenced the web more. The same is true with Madonna and any current artists. It is impossible to tell now (and maybe forever) which one really had more of an influence, because influence is a largely ambiguous term. But ultimately, Madonna can be not said to forever and always hold the title of having the largest influence on pop music and it annoys me when people assume that it is some universal truth.
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