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Chart Listings: Billboard Hot 100 Singles (January 27-February 3, 2011)
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
That's almost a flamebait-worthy comparison. No one is going to care "Bad Romance" peaked #2 but sold 4.5 million. That's not going to come up in a conversation about it on a daily basis. Of course a song with impact is great, but it doesn't really matter. A #1 single is a #1 single.
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Spilling the truth. Most of the normal world is not like ATRL, obsessing over sales numbers for their favorite songs. That is not what determines whether a song will be a long-remembered "classic." In fact, most people don't even actually know what the #1 song in the country is -- but at least that fact survives to history.
So, yes, while "Bad Romance" was extremely popular and had longevity, those things are only important to Gaga stans trying to win inane arguments. For everybody else, the song's great hook and awesome video may help it retain resonance 10 years from now. Or they may not. But it will still never be a #1 hit on the Hot 100.
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Originally posted by Anthony Kerty
#1 single. Seriously. But I'm a Britney Spears fan, everyone knows her and her singles, so getting #1 is just a plus.
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I think it depends. "Womanizer" really made a mark despite only one week at #1, but I don't think "3" holds that same kind of cachet among her discography. We'll see how "Hold It Against Me" does.
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Originally posted by supaspaz
Spilling the truth. Most of the normal world is not like ATRL, obsessing over sales numbers for their favorite songs. That is not what determines whether a song will be a long-remembered "classic." In fact, most people don't even actually know what the #1 song in the country is -- but at least that fact survives to history.
So, yes, while "Bad Romance" was extremely popular and had longevity, those things are only important to Gaga stans trying to win inane arguments. For everybody else, the song's great hook and awesome video may help it retain resonance 10 years from now. Or they may not. But it will still never be a #1 hit on the Hot 100.
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I'm having trouble following the argument here. So most of the world doesn't obsess about sales like ATRL (agreed), and you say that most people don't even know what the #1 song is (agreed), so why does the latter somehow take on more significance than the former? The sales chart is saved for posterity's sake just the same as the list of #1s.
In what world are things like popularity and longevity "inane" arguments in comparison to how a song managed to chart through a combination of factors on a given week? Popularity/longevity are directly keyed in to the consumer market, to what the general public likes -- that is the sales chart. With the Hot 100 you have radio playing a significant factor, something that's beyond consumer control, although yes it does depend to some degree on consumer interest.
I'm not saying that chart rankings are irrelevant or that racking up a whole slew of #1s isn't an impressive feat, but I think it made more sense to place so much emphasis on the rankings when the Hot 100 was basically the equivalent of the airplay chart.
But, yes, sales are an inane argument when trying to gauge a song's popularity. Clearly. No correlation there at all.
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Billboard:
1. Bruno Mars, "Grenade."
2. Katy Perry, "Firework."
3. Wiz Khalifa, "Black And Yellow."
4. Enrique Iglesias featuring Ludacris & DJ Frank E, "Tonight (I'm Lovin' You)."
5. Rihanna featuring Drake, "What's My Name?."
6. Britney Spears, "Hold It Against Me."
7. Ke$ha, "We R Who We R."
8. P!nk, "Raise Your Glass."
9. The Black Eyed Peas, "The Time (Dirty Bit)."
10. Pitbull featuring T-Pain, "Hey Baby (Drop It To The Floor)"
11. P!nk, "F**kin' Perfect"
12. Bruno Mars, "Just The Way You Are"
13. Diddy-Dirty Money featuring Skylar Grey, "Coming Home"
http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/cha...-mars-attacks/
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Originally posted by MrPeanut
You really think regular people discuss which songs went #1 and which songs didn't on a regular basis? You can't be for real. Go ahead, take a poll and ask people in real life if they thought Bad Romance went to #1, you'll probably either get a "who cares?" *shrug* or they'll say "yes" because in their perception it was everywhere and made a big impact.
What the charts are supposed to reflect, and really the only reason people like us care about them, is the popularity of a song/album/artist. Peak chart rankings tell part of that story, consistent sales that lead to huge totals tell another part. I guess it's up to you to decide which is more significant to you, but I don't really see the argument to be made that gives deference to the former over the latter.
Don't dismiss my argument as flamebait. I said I'd prefer not to make that comparison for obvious reasons, but it seemed the most relevant. I'm engaging in a discussion (or at least trying to), not mud-slinging. HIAM's success will be really good regardless of how it performs from here on out.
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I clearly said no one is going to care about a song that went #1 in the general public. So that automatically wasted the entire first paragraph of your response. That was actually the point of the argument.
You asked it yourself, if a peak or overall popularity matters more. Well who's to say just because a song like "Bad Romance" sold 4.5 million copies = it's more popular? or more known? Honestly, I know as many people who know "3" as they do "Bad Romance". I'm certain there's a large majority of people who are more familiar with a Soulja Boy song than either.
So that's where I say a #1 single is a #1 single. It's not as if a song like "3" was just #1 then fell to the side. It spent months inside Billboard's Hot 100 top 10, not too less more than "BR" actually, and it has sold an impressive amount of digital copies despite the miniscule promotion. So, yeah.  What "BR" did is very impressive, but as supaspaz said it's only something stans can use on forums like this.
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Updated Sales:
Bruno Mars - Just the Way You Are 3,554,000
Katy Perry - Firework 2,909,000
Bruno Mars - Grenade 2,759,000
Ke$ha - We R Who We R 2,627,000
P!nk - Raise Your Glass 2,442,000
Rihanna - What's My Name? (featuring Drake) 2,082,000 [2X PLATINUM]
The Black Eyed Peas - The Time (Dirty Bit) 2,014,000 [2X PLATINUM]
Wiz Khalifa - Black & Yellow 1,958,000
Enrique Iglesias - Tonight (I'm Lovin' You) [featuring Ludacris & DJ Frank E] 1,497,000
Britney Spears - Hold It Against Me 594,000 [GOLD]
Next Week:
Katy Perry's "Firework" will be 3x Platinum, the 5th single 3x Platinum for her!
Wiz Khalifa's "Black And Yellow" will be 2x Platinum
*Add: "Just The Way You Are", "Raise Your Glass" and "What's My Name?"
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Originally posted by Green
Billboard:
1. Bruno Mars, "Grenade."
2. Katy Perry, "Firework."
3. Wiz Khalifa, "Black And Yellow."
4. Enrique Iglesias featuring Ludacris & DJ Frank E, "Tonight (I'm Lovin' You)."
5. Rihanna featuring Drake, "What's My Name?."
6. Britney Spears, "Hold It Against Me."
7. Ke$ha, "We R Who We R."
8. P!nk, "Raise Your Glass."
9. The Black Eyed Peas, "The Time (Dirty Bit)."
10. Pitbull featuring T-Pain, "Hey Baby (Drop It To The Floor)"
11. P!nk, "F**kin' Perfect"
12. Bruno Mars, "Just The Way You Are"
13. Diddy-Dirty Money featuring Skylar Grey, "Coming Home"
http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/cha...-mars-attacks/
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14. Lil Wayne featuring Cory Gunz "6 Foot 7 Foot"
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Well, I am sure as hell glad that RiRi gets a ton of Radio play, because her digital sales are PITIFUL.
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6 pages! 6 pages for a stupid discussion!
Although it's interesting but.. Please end with that discussion!
Congrats Bruno 
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Originally posted by Ger-55
Updated Sales:
Bruno Mars - Just the Way You Are 3,554,000
Katy Perry - Firework 2,909,000
Bruno Mars - Grenade 2,759,000
Ke$ha - We R Who We R 2,627,000
P!nk - Raise Your Glass 2,442,000
Rihanna - What's My Name? (featuring Drake) 2,082,000 [2X PLATINUM]
The Black Eyed Peas - The Time (Dirty Bit) 2,014,000 [2X PLATINUM]
Wiz Khalifa - Black & Yellow 1,958,000
Enrique Iglesias - Tonight (I'm Lovin' You) [featuring Ludacris & DJ Frank E] 1,497,000
Britney Spears - Hold It Against Me 594,000 [GOLD]
Next Week:
Katy Perry's "Firework" will be 3x Platinum, the 5th single 3x Platinum for her!
Wiz Khalifa's "Black And Yellow" will be 2x Platinum
*Add: "Just The Way You Are", "Raise Your Glass" and "What's My Name?"
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Do you know how much 6 foot 7 foot sold this week ? i know its #14 on Hot 100 though
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3. Wiz Khalifa, "Black And Yellow."
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They are freaking lucky its about the Steelers.
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Originally posted by GaGaFan
Well, I am sure as hell glad that RiRi gets a ton of Radio play, because her digital sales are PITIFUL.
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This. "The Time" will outsell both "OG" & "WMN?".. and well considering the amount of Rihanna stans (and others) who bashed it...
Sad though. I totally thought "WMN?" would be this HUGE seller and spend a lot of weeks on top.
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
I clearly said no one is going to care about a song that went #1 in the general public. So that automatically wasted the entire first paragraph of your response. That was actually the point of the argument.
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No, you said nobody would care that BR peaked at #2 but sold a lot and then concluded "a #1 single is a #1 single." It's a bit ambiguous, but I'm glad we agree.
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You asked it yourself, if a peak or overall popularity matters more. Well who's to say just because a song like "Bad Romance" sold 4.5 million copies = it's more popular? or more known? Honestly, I know as many people who know "3" as they do "Bad Romance". I'm certain there's a large majority of people who are more familiar with a Soulja Boy song than either.
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Because millions more people purchased it? Seems like a fairly good indication to me. Not sure what strained definition of popular we should otherwise be operating under.
And I'd have no problem saying that Soulja Boy was a more popular song in its day than Bad Romance was (or 3). That song was massive.
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Originally posted by MrPeanut
No, you said nobody would care that BR peaked at #2 but sold a lot and then concluded "a #1 single is a #1 single." It's a bit ambiguous, but I'm glad we agree.
Because millions more people purchased it? Seems like a fairly good indication to me. Not sure what strained definition of popular we should otherwise be operating under.
And I'd have no problem saying that Soulja Boy was a more popular song in its day than Bad Romance was (or 3). That song was massive.
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I'm seeing where I made the mistake. You took it this way, but myself saying that wasn't implying that they would have a conversation about a song that went #1. Higher sales isn't and can't be the only way to distinguish a song is more popular. Sure, it shows more people bought it..but again there are plenty of songs that haven't sold that much, that can also be in debate about popularity.
But, you completely dismissing "3" the way you did was unnecessary. Your comparison was unnecessary and borderline random. "3" isn't hurting Britney's catalog, it's a #1 hit, that broke records in its own and in different ways.
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
I'm seeing where I made the mistake. You took it this way, but myself saying that wasn't implying that they would have a conversation about a song that went #1. Higher sales isn't and can't be the only way to distinguish a song is more popular. Sure, it shows more people bought it..but again there are plenty of songs that haven't sold that much, that can also be in debate about popularity.
But, you completely dismissing "3" the way you did was unnecessary. Your comparison was unnecessary and borderline random. "3" isn't hurting Britney's catalog, it's a #1 hit, that broke records in its own and in different ways.
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I'm not dismissing 3. It was an impressive performer compared to the vast majority of songs, and I never said otherwise. HIAM looks to be an even bigger hit.
My only point was I think overall sales are more indicative of a song's popularity than whether it managed to get the #1 spot on a given week. I don't know why this is such a controversial stance.
Apply the logic to the albums chart. Which album do you think was more popular -- "Animal," which debuted at #1 last January and has been certified Platinum, or "Come on Over," which was never #1 on any given week but has been certified 20x Platinum? It's an exaggerated example, I realize, but the logic still holds up.
It's the same with the box office chart. You can have a film that debuts at #1 but only grosses $45m vs. a film that never hit #1 but grossed nearly $250m. Which would you say was more popular?
I see here my real mistake was using "3" as the example. I wasn't trying to be dismissive of its performance, it just seemed to fit the example I was going for.
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Originally posted by MrPeanut
I'm not dismissing 3. It was an impressive performer compared to the vast majority of songs, and I never said otherwise. HIAM looks to be an even bigger hit.
My only point was I think overall sales are more indicative of a song's popularity than whether it managed to get the #1 spot on a given week. I don't know why this is such a controversial stance.
Apply the logic to the albums chart. Which album do you think was more popular -- "Animal," which debuted at #1 last January and has been certified Platinum, or "Come on Over," which was never #1 on any given week but has been certified 20x Platinum? It's an exaggerated example, I realize, but the logic still holds up.
It's the same with the box office chart. You can have a film that debuts at #1 but only grosses $45m vs. a film that never hit #1 but grossed nearly $250m. Which would you say was more popular?
I see here my real mistake was using "3" as the example. I wasn't trying to be dismissive of its performance, it just seemed to fit the example I was going for.
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+1 
3 peaked, then free fell. Not very memorable at all really...
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 Congrats to Bruno getting the #1 again.
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Grenade just won't let up 
Britney is holding up very well
I'm worried for Avril 
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Originally posted by MrPeanut
I'm not dismissing 3. It was an impressive performer compared to the vast majority of songs, and I never said otherwise. HIAM looks to be an even bigger hit.
My only point was I think overall sales are more indicative of a song's popularity than whether it managed to get the #1 spot on a given week. I don't know why this is such a controversial stance.
Apply the logic to the albums chart. Which album do you think was more popular -- "Animal," which debuted at #1 last January and has been certified Platinum, or "Come on Over," which was never #1 on any given week but has been certified 20x Platinum? It's an exaggerated example, I realize, but the logic still holds up.
It's the same with the box office chart. You can have a film that debuts at #1 but only grosses $45m vs. a film that never hit #1 but grossed nearly $250m. Which would you say was more popular?
I see here my real mistake was using "3" as the example. I wasn't trying to be dismissive of its performance, it just seemed to fit the example I was going for.
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So much truth!
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