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Discussion: What's your stance on...? #46: Organ Donation
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No...it's showing how the public opinion on the war argument is void since no one cares to begin with.  |
You really want to start this??  lol
the public isn't into the war right now because the economic situation is horrible but once the economy starts regaining strength public opinion will begin to switch back over to the war and the need to pull out of it will increase.
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
You really want to start this?? lol
the public isn't into the war right now because the economic situation is horrible but once the economy starts regaining strength public opinion will begin to switch back over to the war and the need to pull out of it will increase.
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By then...NATO will be out of Afghanistan...and the war would have had positive effects on the government and it's citizens
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By then...NATO will be out of Afghanistan...and the war would have had positive effects on the government and it's citizens |
you can predict the future???? 
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
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If NATO is improving the health care of Afghan citizens, took out taliban leaders in the most dangerous part of Afghanistan, training Afghan troops to fight against them when NATO leaves, and is making peace talks with the rest of the taliban so they can leave the citizens alone....everything will be well and the war will end on a high note
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Originally posted by RatedGaga
If NATO is improving the health care of Afghan citizens, took out taliban leaders in the most dangerous part of Afghanistan, training Afghan troops to fight against them when NATO leaves, and is making peace talks with the rest of the taliban so they can leave the citizens alone....everything will be well and the war will end on a high note
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you can't predict anything
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
you can't predict anything |
Fine...if you want a definite answer
http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarti...49433=20080402
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Due to NATO’s efforts, … Afghanistan has made substantial progress in health care, education, and the economy – bettering the lives of millions of its citizens,” Gates said. “Through the Afghan mission, we have developed a much more sophisticated understanding of what capabilities we need as an alliance and what shortcomings must be addressed.”
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Ay dios mio...I think I've won 
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Originally posted by RatedGaga
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 don't make me laugh
You can't say that this war has meaning when so many people are dying.... Afghanistan is a failed nation like many other nations and this war is only making it worst. It will now have to try and rebuild itself with the ever present brink of collapse. You haven't won anything..... quotes can't cover up the loss of life and the loss of infrastructure that Afghanistan and NATO has had to endure.
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
don't make me laugh
You can't say that this war has meaning when so many people are dying.... Afghanistan is a failed nation like many other nations and this war is only making it worst. It will now have to try and rebuild itself with the ever present brink of collapse. You haven't won anything..... quotes can't cover up the loss of life and the loss of infrastructure that Afghanistan and NATO has had to endure. |
This war has meaning...and the people that are dying aren't dying for nothing, as I've stated before. Afghanistan may be a failed nation, but that's why the taliban easily took it over. Getting rid of them, or at least stabilizing them is the course of action that is currently in progress and is winning. And as I've said before, the death rate has dropped, so more and more lives are being saved :]
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Originally posted by RatedGaga
This war has meaning...and the people that are dying aren't dying for nothing, as I've stated before. Afghanistan may be a failed nation, but that's why the taliban easily took it over. Getting rid of them, or at least stabilizing them is the course of action that is currently in progress and is winning. And as I've said before, the death rate has dropped, so more and more lives are being saved :]
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You do realize that they are making a comeback.... foolish RatedGaga lol
The death rate might be dropping but whose to say that it might not go up again... everything goes through fluctuation. Anyway, another threat that has recently risen is Iran and the possibility that it might nuke Israel. With another possible war in the Middle East that could occur I would say that we need to pull out of this war in order to ensure that we can live to fight another day. If we use up all our resources we will be drained for the future. 
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You do realize that they are making a comeback.... foolish RatedGaga lol
The death rate might be dropping but whose to say that it might not go up again... everything goes through fluctuation. Anyway, another threat that has recently risen is Iran and the possibility that it might nuke Israel. With another possible war in the Middle East that could occur I would say that we need to pull out of this war in order to ensure that we can live to fight another day. If we use up all our resources we will be drained for the future. |
And I do realize they are making a comeback, hence the peace talk negotiations. And call me by my real name, Monte
The death rate, whether you like it or not, is dropping and will continue to drop because of the experience NATO has in Afghanistan now. And Iran is off on another tangent, but if it means anything to you, we will be leaving Afghanistan in 2011. And we will not use up all of our resources, since NATO is made up of 28 countries
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And I do realize they are making a comeback, hence the peace talk negotiations. And call me by my real name, Monte
The death rate, whether you like it or not, is dropping and will continue to drop because of the experience NATO has in Afghanistan now. And Iran is off on another tangent, but if it means anything to you, we will be leaving Afghanistan in 2011. And we will not use up all of our resources, since NATO is made up of 28 countries |
once again foolish Monte lol
Canada, The Netherlands, England, and the US (as well as other minor nations such as Poland, Belgium, Turkey, etc.) are also pulling out of the war in 2011..... who will be left to stop the nation from being overrun once again by terrorist organizations???
Iran is pertinent to this discussion because they are one of the most powerful nations in the middle east and are an enormous threat to the surrounding nations and are bringing the Middle East to the brink of Nuclear War.
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once again foolish Monte lol
Canada, The Netherlands, England, and the US (as well as other minor nations such as Poland, Belgium, Turkey, etc.) are also pulling out of the war in 2011..... who will be left to stop the nation from being overrun once again by terrorist organizations???
Iran is pertinent to this discussion because they are one of the most powerful nations in the middle east and are an enormous threat to the surrounding nations and are bringing the Middle East to the brink of Nuclear War. |
Yet again, back from square one
Those countries are pulling out, but as I've supported with evidence before, the peace talk negotiations AND the training of the Afghan troops against the taliban is more than enough reason for NATO to leave on a high note. And if this is a problem to you, do you think NATO should be there longer, to extend the war? Are you agreeing with me this war is helpful
But...the topic is about the Afghanistan War 
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Yet again, back from square one
Those countries are pulling out, but as I've supported with evidence before, the peace talk negotiations AND the training of the Afghan troops against the taliban is more than enough reason for NATO to leave on a high note. And if this is a problem to you, do you think NATO should be there longer, to extend the war? Are you agreeing with me this war is helpful
But...the topic is about the Afghanistan War |
Excuse me while I laugh.
Ok... ok.... ok..........
Perfect Example of how this failed is Vietnam... You can't rush training and expect them to perform at the same level that the NATO forces have performed. VIETNAM ANYONE?
I am no saying that I want the war to extend I am just correcting your previous statement that the US was leaving in 2011 by saying that various other nations were also leaving in 2011.... so here is a question for you?
If you are so concerned about the Afghan people then why would you want us to leave in 2011?
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
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No one is rushing training honey...but no one can train forever WHILE trying to help the Afghan citizens win a democratic government AND stop the taliban from attacking ALL AT ONCE 
And while there are many reasons why being in Afghanistan has significantly improved the people's lives and help curb the terrorists, we can't be in there forever.
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Originally posted by RatedGaga
No one is rushing training honey...but no one can train forever WHILE trying to help the Afghan citizens win a democratic government AND stop the taliban from attacking ALL AT ONCE
And while there are many reasons why being in Afghanistan has significantly improved the people's lives and help curb the terrorists, we can't be in there forever. |
And here comes the fighting part
Why not? According to you we need to stay longer even though we have been there for 9 years an counting....
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There shouldn't be any wars.. no matter where they are or who they are against.
Endangering people that don't even know whats going on or don't want to get involved is one thing, but then once you throw a weapon, you are either going to kill someone or do something to someones land, which is just gonna make the war continue. It's really sad that over something you have to go and kill people, what is that going to solve? It puts more danger on your back and more danger on your country.
To conclude, if you're going to have a war, do a stan war, because it is a lot more safe and only requires typing or verbal words. 
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
And here comes the fighting part
Why not? According to you we need to stay longer even though we have been there for 9 years an counting.... |
Well we do need more time to stabilize the government, which is why Obama is sending more troops to finish the job quickly, but we do need to focus on other things and not only the Afghan war.
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Originally posted by RatedGaga
Well we do need more time to stabilize the government, which is why Obama is sending more troops to finish the job quickly, but we do need to focus on other things and not only the Afghan war.
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The government will never be stabilized.... wow. Look at all the other attempts we have made at trying to make (*cough* force *cough* *cough*) a nation have a democratic government.... the result usually doesn't turn out to well....
Vietnam = Socialist
Cuba = Socialist
Korea = Torn Apart
Iraq = A Mess
Democracy is not always the answer. Some nations perform much better with a safe monarchy. Of Course I do not support despotism but I believe that monarchies/republics/direct democracies/other should exist where it makes sense.... nations have had there histories embedded in certain beliefs and we have no right to erase their heritage.
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
The government will never be stabilized.... wow. Look at all the other attempts we have made at trying to make (*cough* force *cough* *cough*) a nation have a democratic government.... the result usually doesn't turn out to well....
Vietnam = Socialist
Cuba = Socialist
Korea = Torn Apart
Iraq = A Mess
Democracy is not always the answer. Some nations perform much better with a safe monarchy. Of Course I do not support despotism but I believe that monarchies/republics/direct democracies/other should exist where it makes sense.... nations have had there histories embedded in certain beliefs and we have no right to erase their heritage.
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The government will be stabilized...even Afghanistan President Karzai agrees. America back in the early days (1776-1820) was not a stable government, and look what happened. It is very possible for it to happen. Democracy isn't the only thing being implemented...democratic elections are the only part of Democracy being in Afghanistan. And no one is trying to change the heritage of the muslim nation of Afghanistan, which is why we aren't there forcing the country to give up what they believe in for what we believe in. We are giving their country a chance at things that they want. The citizens wanted a democratic election, and NATO has given them that.
This is the problem
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/0...n-nato471.html
And this is the solution
http://www.euronews.net/2009/08/05/n...afghan-voters/
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Originally posted by RatedGaga
The government will be stabilized...even Afghanistan President Karzai agrees. America back in the early days (1776-1820) was not a stable government, and look what happened. It is very possible for it to happen. Democracy isn't the only thing being implemented...democratic elections are the only part of Democracy being in Afghanistan. And no one is trying to change the heritage of the muslim nation of Afghanistan, which is why we aren't there forcing the country to give up what they believe in for what we believe in. We are giving their country a chance at things that they want. The citizens wanted a democratic election, and NATO has given them that.
This is the problem
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/0...n-nato471.html
And this is the solution
http://www.euronews.net/2009/08/05/n...afghan-voters/ |
So you are comparing Early America to Afghanistan....................................... wow
Early America
- Native American Insurgency (Resulted in Massive Loss of Life for the Native Americans  )
- Enormous Expanse of Land
- No Real Centralized Nation Nearby
- Colonies of Britain
- Already had Technology from Britain
- Had Trade Routes Set Up
Afghanistan
- Taliban Insurgency (Massive loss of Life on Both Sides )
- Not Nearly as Much Land
- Pakistan, China, Iran all nearby (All 3 of them Nuclear)
- Not a Colonial entity
- No Technology
- No trade routes with loss of infrastructure....
wow............................................... .................
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