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Discussion: Janet vs Madonna, Beyonce vs Lady GaGa
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Originally posted by Satellites
-Eli had to go dry his tears from me tipping his teepee of Janet over.
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That's not what I went to do. 
You would leave as I made my fashionably late encore.
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Sats, you are being totally unreasonable here. 
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
Sis, comparing Gaga to Rihanna was one insult - but comparing someone who has charisma to the most basic girl in the world is one step TEW FAR. Not even Shontelle deserves a comparison to Miscarried Baby. FOR SHAME.
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Originally posted by Satellites
Teh truth has been spilled and I have to go to sleep, let me make sure the facts are clear:
-Beyonce is the best OF ALL TIME.
-Eli had to go dry his tears from me tipping his teepee of Janet over.
-Hi.Def and the other Bey stans hate Keri entirely too much.
-Lady Gaga is amazing, but not outstandingly brilliant.
-Ace needs to come into this century and leave that last one alone.
@nicolette, her background matters none, its the audience she appeals to and they are mostly white! More white people have money at their disposal and that's the truth.
Goodnight. 
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We hate her because we disagree with your comment...  Alright..
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Originally posted by Satellites
-Hi.Def and the other Bey stans hate Keri entirely too much]
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Actually, I'm one of the few Bey stans who even gave Keri a chance after the whole diss fiasco. Also, before that happened I was a big Keri Hilson fan and that goes as far as Hey Now w/ Xhibit.
Her music these days is slack and her attitude is the pits so I don't use as much. 
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Originally posted by Satellites
-Lady Gaga is amazing, but not outstandingly brilliant.
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Which is all that matters. Can you say the same for Keri Hilson? Absolutely not. There is nothing brilliant or amazing about her or her songwriting (which is certainly debatable).
As you mentioned earlier Songwriting will keep you in the background, and that's exactly where Keri is. She isn't famous. She's a songwriter that found moderate success thanks to the power of established and hot at the moment artists.
Gaga's songwriting and music ***** all over Keri and that right there is the true tea. The exact same thing can be said for Rihanna (the untalented thing you tried to use as an example earlier) 
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Originally posted by Satellites
They're respected on one side of the frame if you know what I mean. They are respected by Rock and Roll lovers and known mostly by them as well, Beyonce is respected all over the board.
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That's not true. When regular people think of Joni and Janis (etc.) they think of legendary women. When they think of Beyonce, they think, 'talented girl' or 'hot girl.'
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Originally posted by GeezusHaberdash
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That's the shade.
The Clutch (which is composed of 8 billion songwriters) is responsible for the majority of the songs everybody gives Keri life for. She only gets mentioned because her name is the most recognizable out of the group.
Hell, Keri didn't even write Energy. Gaga doesn't need a swat team to write a track. 
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I think anyone who writes their own music and other artists' music, good or bad, deserves props.
But I've never heard anyone praise "Knock You Down" or any other song by Keri like they do "Bad Romance," "Speechless," etc. I don't think it has anything to do with race either.
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Originally posted by Captain Planet
Yes, I have to agree here. I think her recent music is overshadowing her outstanding overall catalog, unfortunately. I have said this many times before. The Superbowl incident was only one factor to the demise of her career; bad music wasanother.
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Absolutely true. 20 Y.O. was really the nail in the coffin. Discipline was a half-step up, but only because of the masterpieces Feedback, Rock With U and LUV.
Damita Jo is not at all commercially viable because it's so vulgar, but it's totally awesome. 
She has needed a self-realization--a reinvention--for many years now and it's just not happening. I've lost a lot of faith in her as a musician.
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Originally posted by Hi.Ðefinitiøn
She writes cute pop and R&B records. She's known as a songwriter but she doesn't get high praise for nor are there any standout lyrics in her work.
First Rihanna w/ the talent against Gaga, and now Keri and her songwriting?
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Originally posted by GeezusHaberdash
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The cracks begin to surface. 
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
Absolutely true. 20 Y.O. was really the nail in the coffin. Discipline was a half-step up, but only because of the masterpieces Feedback, Rock With U and LUV.
Damita Jo is not at all commercially viable because it's so vulgar, but it's totally awesome.
She has needed a self-realization--a reinvention--for many years now and it's just not happening. I've lost a lot of faith in her as a musician. |
I think it's hard for many older divas to have major success again, but it's not too late to put a great album. But how many of them do? They usually can't top their greatest. It's kinda a double-edge sword. I think Janet will have a hard time finding success regardless because her style is not accepted by mainstream and I don't think she has a good grown up fanbase. They seem to have moved on from her. As much as I want her to put out more great music, I'm not expecting much. I guess I'll just enjoy some of her older records...
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
janet. was big. You guys were still crawling around in your cribs, so you don't know - but that album had a long life. Janet, Madonna, Mariah and the other one were the 90s in terms of pop - Celine was a perennial fifth, along with any big-album wonder of the time.
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Oh no, I'm not implying that Janet didn't **** in the 90s, but she's not 2nd place. You already know my order from my blog post.
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Originally posted by GeezusHaberdash
Oh no, I'm not implying that Janet didn't **** in the 90s, but she's not 2nd place. You already know my order from my blog post.
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What is your order?
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole
Question for Satellites: while I agree that racism is obviously still an issue in the world (that's not even up for debate), don't you think the music industry is the one place where being black is not only NOT a disadvantage, it actually seems to be an advantage? Turn top 40 radio, and chances are the singer will be black.
You were talking about Gaga vs. Rihanna and racism. The main reason Gaga is here because of black people. There are a lot of powerful black people in the music industry, both artists and behind the scenes.
If these 2 black men had not used their power to support her, there would be no Gaga:
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As for this, those people are behind the scenes. Who is the one writing the material, selling millions of albums, selling out areans, winning awards, topping forbes, etc etc? Gaga.
Not Akon, or whoever else help put her on the map. Yeah, Akon got a little praise for discovering her, but people talked about that for all of 2 weeks and then move on.
I don't understand how this relates to this discussion though. We're talking about the overall success of white celebs against black celebs. White artists tends to be much more successful than blacks, that's just how it is.
Also, don't feed me that urban radio excuse because overall success is much more important than support from urban stations. 
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Originally posted by Hi.Ðefinitiøn
That's the shade.
The Clutch (which is composed of 8 billion songwriters) is responsible for the majority of the songs everybody gives Keri life for. She only gets mentioned because her name is the most recognizable out of the group.
Hell, Keri didn't even write Energy. Gaga doesn't need a swat team to write a track.
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Right?
Keri's writing-hype is over-exaggerated to the max and is just her record label's angle to give her a lane as "the writer." It's like how Alicia Keys is put on the pedestal of being the one that makes "real music." It's entirely record-label marketing to make an artist seem special. About the only "hit" Keri brags about writing is "Gimme More" and even then she's still listed third in the credits.
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Originally posted by Captain Planet
What is your order?
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Originally posted by Captain Planet
I think it's hard for many older divas to have major success again, but it's not too late to put a great album. But how many of them do? They usually can't top their greatest. It's kinda a double-edge sword. I think Janet will have a hard time finding success regardless because her style is not accepted by mainstream and I don't think she has a good grown up fanbase. They seem to have moved on from her. As much as I want her to put out more great music, I'm not expecting much. I guess I'll just enjoy some of her older records...
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Right. Right.
Madonna has found a way (though I find Hard Candy to be nearly unbearable). But Madonna always finds a way. She is the exception to the rule.
Whitney's latest was mediocre, Mariah's Memoirs was fine but not a match for her best (sorry Bart). I think that Discipline, for what it was, was on par with those... but if it had been released in 2009 it wouldn't have even matched the sales of Memoirs (well that's leaving out MJ's death which could have had an effect).
All she needs is a really good album. I don't care if it doesn't sell. I want to feel at home in her music again. The last time I felt that was with Damita Jo. If she can get some critical acclaim or get a certification, well, that's just icing on the cake.
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 @ me not knowing Keri was apart of The Clutch.
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Originally posted by GeezusHaberdash
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Oh, I'm skimming through it right now. It looks extremely interesting. I'll subscribe.
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Oh my... I didn't realize Geez was such a writer... keeps reading...
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