[King Maxx]

And remember Hillary is not just a woman wanting power in their eyes. Republicans really see her as a liberal devil coming to turn their kids gay and then murder them in war. We have to look at it from all directions.

The country is probably more racist (which was more beneficial to Trump more than anything) than sexist, yet we still had a black president. We just have to know what we're fighting for.

[Wonderland]

Originally posted by King Maxx

And remember Hillary is not just a woman. Republicans really see her as a liberal devil coming to turn their kids gay and then murder them in war. We have to look at it from all directions.

The country is probably more racist than sexist, yet we still had a black president. We just have to know what we're voting.

Correct. I mean we must not forget a lot of people turned out for Trump because they didn't want Clinton in charge in the same way we didn't want Trump. Removing that factor in 2020 will at least give the Dems a leg up on reclaiming the White House.

I mean you'd never see a black/female Trump so obviously there's a degree of racism/sexism still present. But if you put up a squeaky clean candidate they should be fine.

[Lord Blackout]

Originally posted by King Maxx

Did sexism play a role in her lost? Yes. It was the difference between lost and win, even if it just a few thousand people were sexist.

Does the country have a problem with gender? Yes.

But to say she lost because she's a woman is just a false statement simply because majority of the country is not sexist. Half of all votes cast was for either Hillary or Jill Stein. Two women. And a lot of Gary Johnson voters rejected Trump because of his sexist comments. Give the country some more credit. I know it's going to ****, but remember the 70M+ who voted against him.

Gary Johnson voters rejected Trump because of his sexist comments? I think you're thinking of Evan here. Gary won mostly millennials which is a liberal leaning crowd so they wouldn't have gone to Trump anyway. Not to mention, a lot of Bernie folks flocked to Gary so I don't think they were fighting misogyny in that choice.

And obviously it's not the in your face sexism I'm talking about. It's all very implicit. 2008 was a fluke year. Obama still has a terrible approval rating average compared to most presidents despite him being a good president with no scandals so there's that. If Hillary had a shot to win due to her gender, it probably was 2008. But right now? ehh there's always a whitelash factor after 2 dem terms.

I mean, once again, there's a reason no woman climbed higher than Hillary and she still got torn down by both the left and right and some electors refused to even give her their votes. She won the educated crowd of every race and ethnicity and it was uneducated whites that came out in full force and those are the most sexism prone.

Just forget about women for now.

[Blade]

Literally haven't posted in here since Nov. 8

Miss y'all

[King Maxx]

Originally posted by Lord Blackout

Gary Johnson voters rejected Trump because of his sexist comments? I think you're thinking of Evan here. Gary won mostly millennials which is a liberal leaning crowd so they wouldn't have gone to Trump anyway. Not to mention, a lot of Bernie folks flocked to Gary so I don't think they were fighting misogyny in that choice.

And obviously it's not the in your face sexism I'm talking about. It's all very implicit. 2008 was a fluke year. Obama still has a terrible approval rating average compared to most presidents despite him being a good president with no scandals so there's that. If Hillary had a shot to win due to her gender, it probably was 2008. But right now? ehh there's always a whitelash factor after 2 dem terms.

I mean, once again, there's a reason no woman climbed higher than Hillary and she still got torn down by both the left and right and some electors refused to even give her their votes. She won the educated crowd of every race and ethnicity and it was uneducated whites that came out in full force and those are the most sexism prone.

Just forget about women for now.

My point still stands. A lot of millennials may not have voted for Hillary, but it's not because she's a woman, but their priorities were ****ed.

You still proved my point with that statement. The bigoted agenda of Trump was rejected with this election by the majority. A majority of the country is in fact not sexist and Hillary's popular vote+votes casted against the most sexist candidate of our lifetime proved that quite well.

And sorry, but I don't agree with this last statement. I think it's just as sexist and counterproductive. Call me an idealist, but I don't care. Not giving the deplorables what they want. If that means more losses, then so be it. If we want to leave anybody behind, it's the white men. Get millennials+minorities excited for a liberal god/goddess and get those seats back. I'm tired of these white people thinking they can get what they want and **** everyone else.

[Mike91]

Sexism was honestly the least of Hillary's problems with this election.

[Bloo]

On the whole issue of sexism in this election, particularly when juxtaposed with the racism Obama faced, I think it's most summed up in that people are more afraid of being labeled as a racist than they are a sexist. We didn't have slavery, segregation, or lynchings in our country on the notion of sex. Racism was, throughout our history, more explicit and obvious. Sexism, on the other hand, was more implicit and was less obvious. Black people fought to end slavery. Women fought to be treated equally to men socially, politically, and economically. Their fights and struggles were entirely different. Blacks had explicit struggles and women had implicit struggles. I could go on and expand, but I think my point is getting across.

There's a reason people scoff at the notion of being a feminist and still, to this day, talk down the ideology as being radical or insane. I know women my age that think that even. This all has to do with how sexism takes place and that's implicit. Hillary Clinton experienced this in how she had a double standard to fight against that any other male candidate wouldn't have to go through. She went up against the most unqualified, controversial (in terms of legitimate scandal) candidate in history. But people overlooked it more because there was just something people couldn't "trust" about her. She didn't "feel" genuine. She seemed "crooked". Her "cackling" rubbed people the wrong way.

Now, if Obama faced this type of criticism from people, people were not afraid to call it racism because racism is more of a boogeyman social sin than sexism. Many doubt that sexism is even real (not kidding). However, because of our nation's history of slavery and segregation, no one can deny the reality of racism and because of that, it's easier to call out than sexism.

Did it cost her the election? Probably. If Hillary were a man, I am certain her favorables would have been higher and she would have faced less "she just doesn't seem genuine" criticisms that you can't argue with. Obviously, we can't prove it one way or the other.

Does that mean she couldn't have had a different approach with her campaign to maybe secure a win? Absolutely not. Wasting money in Texas and spending that in the rust belt would have been a fantastic idea. Her and her team got too confident, vying for a landslide when all they needed was to secure the blue electoral wall.

[Lord Blackout]

Originally posted by King Maxx

My point still stands. A lot of millennials may not have voted for Hillary, but it's not because she's a woman, but their priorities were ****ed.

You still proved my point with that statement. The bigoted agenda of Trump was rejected with this election by the majority. A majority of the country is in fact not sexist and Hillary's popular vote+votes casted against the most sexist candidate of our lifetime proved that quite well.

And sorry, but I don't agree with this last statement. I think it's just as sexist and counterproductive. Call me an idealist, but I don't care. Not giving the deplorables what they want. If that means more losses, then so be it. If we want to leave anybody behind, it's the white men. Get millennials+minorities excited for a liberal god/goddess and get those seats back. I'm tired of these white people thinking they can get what they want and **** everyone else.

The electorate is still too sexist for a woman. For a woman to be electable, she'd have to be establishment otherwise no one would take her seriously. So that means bye bye the snowflakes to the green party, the dudebros to whatever pro-weed candidate there is, and white women to the republican candidate. Also, the white working class ain't voting for a woman as much as they'll vote for a republican man ever.

The country as a whole may not be sexist but the electorate is still not ready for a female president. Unless we forgot, Hillary only decided to run in 2013 because she was the one woman with a shot at the presidency as said by Biden and she emphasized that even more in 2008.

Once again, if you can find one woman who'd prove me wrong, feel free to do so. Until then, all evidence is on my side.

[Lord Blackout]

Originally posted by Mike91

Sexism was honestly the least of Hillary's problems with this election.

Once again, sexism is implicit. The central theme of the election was double standards. That's why you get articles mad angry about Hillary being flawed when Trump is 10x more flawed lol. I mean all the evidence is there.
If a man performed like Hillary did in the 3 debates, he'd win in a landslide.
Let's just save ourselves the trouble and not try this for another 2 decades.

[Communion]

People really showing their neoliberal colors.

Ain't nothing radically changed in 8 years. The country that elected Obama is the one that rejected Hillary and for the Dems to survive they need to examine why.

It's funny cause a lot of people on the left were saying this - win or lose, the center would find some way to stay put and not move to the Left as they needed to. Win? Pivot more right, it's what the people liked! Lose? Um, we were FAR too radical, pivot right!

Hillary lost because her team was complacent. That's really all there is to it - the margin was that small. It's sucks so many people will have to struggle because of one woman and her elite team's ignorance, but hopefully the suits in DC realize this and remember every. single. vote. has. to. be. earned.

I mean people in here even said "poor Hillary having to earn these simpletons' votes" countless times when she hit the election trail. See beyond your hatred of poor people (which IS a race + gender issue too) and realize what the **** a public servant is meant to do.

[Lord Blackout]

Originally posted by Bloo

On the whole issue of sexism in this election, particularly when juxtaposed with the racism Obama faced, I think it's most summed up in that people are more afraid of being labeled as a racist than they are a sexist. We didn't have slavery, segregation, or lynchings in our country on the notion of sex. Racism was, throughout our history, more explicit and obvious. Sexism, on the other hand, was more implicit and was less obvious. Black people fought to end slavery. Women fought to be treated equally to men socially, politically, and economically. Their fights and struggles were entirely different. Blacks had explicit struggles and women had implicit struggles. I could go on and expand, but I think my point is getting across.

There's a reason people scoff at the notion of being a feminist and still, to this day, talk down the ideology as being radical or insane. I know women my age that think that even. This all has to do with how sexism takes place and that's implicit. Hillary Clinton experienced this in how she had a double standard to fight against that any other male candidate wouldn't have to go through. She went up against the most unqualified, controversial (in terms of legitimate scandal) candidate in history. But people overlooked it more because there was just something people couldn't "trust" about her. She didn't "feel" genuine. She seemed "crooked". Her "cackling" rubbed people the wrong way.

Now, if Obama faced this type of criticism from people, people were not afraid to call it racism because racism is more of a boogeyman social sin than sexism. Many doubt that sexism is even real (not kidding). However, because of our nation's history of slavery and segregation, no one can deny the reality of racism and because of that, it's easier to call out than sexism.

Did it cost her the election? Probably. If Hillary were a man, I am certain her favorables would have been higher and she would have faced less "she just doesn't seem genuine" criticisms that you can't argue with. Obviously, we can't prove it one way or the other.

Does that mean she couldn't have had a different approach with her campaign to maybe secure a win? Absolutely not. Wasting money in Texas and spending that in the rust belt would have been a fantastic idea. Her and her team got too confident, vying for a landslide when all they needed was to secure the blue electoral wall.

Bingo. And Hillary was the woman that's the most electable to the highest office when she ran. Who comes second now? Warren who would definitely meet Hillary's fate. Third would be Kamala and I don't think she'll be taken that seriously. She'd probably not even win the popular vote.

There's not a single woman I can think of in DC right now who can truly bring it on home. Tulsi can try but she's delusional if she thinks conservatives will vote for her. She'll flop miserably in the primary

[Lord Blackout]

Originally posted by Communion

It's sucks so many people will have to struggle because of one woman and her elite team's ignorance

It also sucks so many Iraqis and vets had to die because of Gore. Damn those losing candidates always ruining it for the people who'd rather waste their votes on third parties than save the planet.

[Lord Blackout]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BOcRTF_AsFs/

Awww grandpa

[Bloo]

Originally posted by Communion

People really showing their neoliberal colors.

Ain't nothing radically changed in 8 years. The country that elected Obama is the one that rejected Hillary and for the Dems to survive they need to examine why.

It's funny cause a lot of people on the left were saying this - win or lose, the center would find some way to stay put and not move to the Left as they needed to. Win? Pivot more right, it's what the people liked! Lose? Um, we were FAR too radical, pivot right!

Hillary lost because her team was complacent. That's really all there is to it - the margin was that small. It's sucks so many people will have to struggle because of one woman and her elite team's ignorance, but hopefully the suits in DC realize this and remember every. single. vote. has. to. be. earned.

I mean people in here even said "poor Hillary having to earn these simpletons' votes" countless times when she hit the election trail. See beyond your hatred of poor people (which IS a race + gender issue too) and realize what the **** a public servant is meant to do.

This post fails to recognize that presidential power tends to swing from one side of the major party pendulum to the other. I could easily use your cute statement and change some of the names and say:
"The country that elected Bill Clinton, rejected Al Gore."
"The country that elected George Bush, rejected John McCain."

Our country tends to flip because a lot of people that are not party loyalists get tired of the one party currently at the executive steering wheel, and that hasn't changed. Racism, sexism, ableism be damned. None of those things altered the force of that political pendulum. A Republican was going to win this election. Hillary made mistakes, but they're easy to recognize in hindsight. Before the election, plenty of people were singing her campaign praises for the strong ground game and effort she and her team put into it. She didn't just sit on her ass, she went to work. Ignoring the rust belt made sense given the polling at the time, but it's easy to criticize her for that mistake from the post-election perspective. It doesn't take much analysis ability to do that.

[Nippy'sReceipts]

80,000 votes. That is all it took in those Midwestern states. That is just 2 campaign rallies. God, why couldn't she have rallied in Michigan and Wisconsin? She totally neglected those places despite Bernie winning there and beating her 2 to 1 with white working class voters in rural/ small town America.
I truly hate Robby Mook. I never thought he was good. He was so confident and said their ground game and data models were solid, but new Politico reports from insiders indicate that he ignored calls from the frontlines from Dems that Hillary was not gaining momentum. As a campaign manager, it is your job to keep your ear to the street and use an abundance of caution. You can't just be confident in your polling and data. You have to actually get out there and meet with people and campaign. Ugh, I hope she kills him. Bill got it right. Robby was in over his head and inexperienced. He barely got her past Bernie without trouble. That should have been the first warning sign. The race with Bernie shouldn't have even gotten that competitive.

[Communion]

Originally posted by Lord Blackout

It also sucks so many Iraqis and vets had to die because of Gore. Damn those losing candidates always ruining it for the people who'd rather waste their votes on third parties than save the planet.

Al Gore was just as much for action in the Middle East as a typical centrist, what are you talking about? Democrats (esp. pre-2008) aren't some anti-war party.

Which, y'know, neoliberal Hillary would have still ruined tons of people lives, but with Trump we're like really ****ed, more-so them Americans lead by egomaniacal capitalist warhawks usually are. Like we're now even realizing we're ****ed and a joke as a country as opposed to just everyone else around the world thinking that about our iron fist throughout the world.

Hillary will be fine though. Back to her mansions. I know having to work to help poor people killed her inside. Poor neighborhoods in Michigan were begging for her team for help to campaign and she... I don't know, vanished for like a week straight? That's what happens when a party elects someone more obsessed with power and the glory than helping the people.

It's crazy to think her team literally knew she was doing poorly and losing margins and instead of campaigning, she wanted to play mind games with Trump. Down in MI? So her team sent people to ****ing Iowa, hoping it'd lure Trump's there to campaign instead. One of the sloppiest, messiest, more ungrateful political campaigns in history. It'll be a history lesson for the books.

[Bloo]

Originally posted by Nippy'sReceipts

80,000 votes. That is all it took in those Midwestern states. That is just 2 campaign rallies. God, why couldn't she have rallied in Michigan and Wisconsin? She totally neglected those places despite Bernie winning there and beating her 2 to 1 with white working class voters in rural/ small town America.
I truly hate Robby Mook. I never thought he was good. He was so confident and said their ground game and data models were solid, but new Politico reports from insiders indicate that he ignored calls from the frontlines from Dems that Hillary was not gaining momentum. As a campaign manager, it is your job to keep your ear to the street and use an abundance of caution. You can't just be confident in your polling and data. You have to actually get out there and meet with people and campaign. Ugh, I hope she kills him. Bill got it right. Robby was in over his head and inexperienced. He barely got her past Bernie without trouble. That should have been the first warning sign. The race with Bernie shouldn't have even gotten that competitive.

I agree here. Robby was incredibly stupid to laugh at Bill's advice. I hope he feels humbled for it.

[Bloo]

Originally posted by Communion

Al Gore was just as much for action in the Middle East as a typical centrist, what are you talking about? Democrats (esp. pre-2008) aren't some anti-war party.

Which, y'know, neoliberal Hillary would have still ruined tons of people lives, but with Trump we're like really ****ed, more-so them Americans lead by egomaniacal capitalist warhawks usually are. Like we're now even realizing we're ****ed and a joke as a country as opposed to just everyone else around the world thinking that about our iron fist throughout the world.

Hillary will be fine though. Back to her mansions. I know having to work to help poor people killed her inside. Poor neighborhoods in Michigan were begging for her team for help to campaign and she... I don't know, vanished for like a week straight? That's what happens when a party elects someone more obsessed with power and the glory than helping the people.

It's crazy to think her team literally knew she was doing poorly and losing margins and instead of campaigning, she wanted to play mind games with Trump. Down in MI? So her team sent people to ****ing Iowa, hoping it'd lure Trump's there to campaign instead. One of the sloppiest, messiest, more ungrateful political campaigns in history. It'll be a history lesson for the books.

Okay, get back to sharing your melodramatic, political fan fiction on Reddit or DeviantArt.

[Wonderland]

Originally posted by King Maxx

I'm tired of these white people thinking they can get what they want and **** everyone else.

PREACH

[Nippy'sReceipts]

Originally posted by 19SLAYty9

Kamala Harris 2020. No scandals. No flip-flopping on issues. Young (relatively). Black (will get POC vote). Well liked among democrats. If the next 4 years go well she will either win the nomination or become VP.

You must not be from California. Ms. Harris does have a scandal. An extramarital one involving a well-known mayor here.

She will not be able to run without this being dug up by the Republicans.