[Lord Blackout]

Originally posted by lightstheyblindme

yeah she really did

That's not defending it. That's saying why her husband thought it was good to sign it into law.
In 1999, she called it a failure. Back when she was first lady.
https://partners.nytimes.com/library...en-ny-dem.html

[lightstheyblindme]

Originally posted by Lord Blackout

That's not defending it. That's saying why her husband thought it was good to sign it into law.
In 1999, she called it a failure. Back when she was first lady.
https://partners.nytimes.com/library...en-ny-dem.html

that's literally the same thing take off the stan glasses

[Lord Blackout]

Originally posted by lightstheyblindme

that's literally the same thing take off the stan glasses

"I'm not in any way excusing them, I'm explaining them"
Did you watch the video?

[Lord Blackout]

That being said I want Maddow to have Hillary's first post-election interview

[LuLuDrops]

Watching Hairspray Live and since it's supposed to be set in the 60s, wondering how many people still clutch their bags when someone with a different level of melanin passes by or how many parents behind closed doors tell their kids not to date outside the circle

[lightstheyblindme]

Originally posted by Lord Blackout

"I'm not in any way excusing them, I'm explaining them"
Did you watch the video?

yes I watched the video she's explaining why it had political utility which is the same thing as a qualified defense of the policy. during the primary she tried to use the same qualified defense of it and Bernie called her out on it and the HRC said he was correct and disagreed with Hillary's "explanation"

[Lord Blackout]

Originally posted by lightstheyblindme

yes I watched the video she's explaining why it had political utility which is the same thing as a qualified defense of the policy. during the primary she tried to use the same qualified defense of it and Bernie called her out on it and the HRC said he was correct and disagreed with Hillary's "explanation"

This is something that happens with Hillary a lot. Obama or Bill do something and she's expected to denounce it or defend it but when she simply gives an impartial answer from the president's standpoint, people freak out. She's just trying not stab her 2 favorite presidents in the back y'all. Doesn't mean she'll do things the same way, give her a chance (Too late)

[Lord Blackout]

Like in the entire election they kept pushing her to diss Obama somehow from Obamacare to foreign policy etc.

[lightstheyblindme]

Originally posted by Lord Blackout

This is something that happens with Hillary a lot. Obama or Bill do something and she's expected to denounce it or defend it but when she simply gives an impartial answer from the president's standpoint, people freak out. She's just trying not stab her 2 favorite presidents in the back y'all. Doesn't mean she'll do things the same way, give her a chance (Too late)

and this is part of what cost her the election. she basically ran on being Obama: The Sequel but that puts her in the awkward position of having to defend all of his policies which is a huge liability in a change election year. like the public is yearning for change and her entire message is "nothing is wrong, America is already great, we need more of the same"

also every candidate is made to talk about recent Presidents' policies, and other candidates actually give their opinions on whether those policies are good or bad instead of just restating why those decisions were made. it comes across as disingenuous when you refuse to take a hard and fast position on something, you can't be on the fence about everything

[Dessy Fenix]

Originally posted by lightstheyblindme

and this is part of what cost her the election. she basically ran on being Obama: The Sequel but that puts her in the awkward position of having to defend all of his policies which is a huge liability in a change election year. like the public is yearning for change and her entire message is "nothing is wrong, America is already great, we need more of the same"

And 2.7 million more voters than Trump's were behind it.

[Lord Blackout]

Originally posted by lightstheyblindme

and this is part of what cost her the election. she basically ran on being Obama: The Sequel but that puts her in the awkward position of having to defend all of his policies which is a huge liability in a change election year. like the public is yearning for change and her entire message is "nothing is wrong, America is already great, we need more of the same"

also every candidate is made to talk about recent Presidents' policies, and other candidates actually give their opinions on whether those policies are good or bad instead of just restating why those decisions were made. it comes across as disingenuous when you refuse to take a hard and fast position on something, you can't be on the fence about everything

I don't think that was her message. Her message was more like "Things aren't terribly now but they're not perfect either. There's no need for radical change when America is on the right track per all metrics and all we can do is make it work even better for Americans"
But yeah it is a liability when she's bound to two presidents and she can't criticize them because that'd be a back-stabber move since one is her husband and the other trusted her with the second best position in the nation. But people should've calmed down nevertheless. Like, Obama isn't leaving America in shambles, y'all.

[lightstheyblindme]

Originally posted by Dessy Fenix

And 2.7 million more voters than Trump's were behind it.

can we stop acting like this is some kind of victory? like yes any sane person would prefer 4 more years of Obama over Orange Hitler but Hillary lacked the broad appeal (and I literally mean broad in the geographic sense) to win the election. If she had been a little more critical of Obama's policies and tried to differentiate herself from Obama and Bill, she probably would have been able to hold onto the Rust Belt states that cost her the election

[lightstheyblindme]

Originally posted by Dessy Fenix

And 2.7 million more voters than Trump's were behind it.

the popular vote victory should not be viewed as a victory for Hillary (because any way you view it, she lost) but rather a weak mandate for Trump

[midnightdawn]

If Hillary won she still would have been impeached or brought down by scandal at some point. She can't help herself. One of the truest things said in the campaign was when Colin Powell said in an email that everything she touches she screws up due to her hubris. Even the election, she was convinced she had it won and played to the clock instead of working hard to win every vote.

[LuLuDrops]

Even if she changed tactic, would she have been able to hold on to Ohio? Half a million is a lot.

Declining black population from four years ago, possibly the strictest voting laws in the country. I get the feeling she'd only minimize the gap, but not overcome the Don who tapped into the most rightwing people in the state to come out in droves.

I think Biden or a native respected Democrat would be some of the very small group who would've flipped OH.

[GoldFangs]

Are there actual Trump supporters here?

[LuLuDrops]

Originally posted by GoldFangs

Are there actual Trump supporters here?

American ones: a few.

Non-American: more than the American ones

[DivaCup]

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[Bloo]

Originally posted by lightstheyblindme

can we stop acting like this is some kind of victory? like yes any sane person would prefer 4 more years of Obama over Orange Hitler but Hillary lacked the broad appeal (and I literally mean broad in the geographic sense) to win the election. If she had been a little more critical of Obama's policies and tried to differentiate herself from Obama and Bill, she probably would have been able to hold onto the Rust Belt states that cost her the election

Can we stop acting like her loss was so obvious? It was an election upset. She was leading in all the polls and analysts that followed the election believed her to be doing the correct campaign steps. It's easy to look back now and criticize and point fingers, but during the actual campaign... Her moves made sense.

Acting like her loss was so obvious is just pretentious dribble.

[lightstheyblindme]

Originally posted by Bloo

Can we stop acting like her loss was so obvious? It was an election upset. She was leading in all the polls and analysts that followed the election believed her to be doing the correct campaign steps. It's easy to look back now and criticize and point fingers, but during the actual campaign... Her moves made sense.

Acting like her loss was so obvious is just pretentious dribble.

I never acted like it was obvious? I was just as shocked as everyone else.
I'm just saying people in here tend to say "Well she won the popular vote, therefore any criticism of her campaign is invalid because technically she won!" and then use that as an excuse to not analyze what went wrong. Hillary had more experience, better infrastructure/ground game, and the overwhelming support of the party establishment and she still lost to the most unpopular candidate of all time. We need to be analyzing what went wrong and not dismissing every criticism as "who cares, she got more votes!!"