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Discussion: Has Beyoncé already surpassed Mariah and Whitney?
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Originally posted by ThirdWardBey
Self-titled alone has made more of an impact in the music industry than Mariah and Whitney ever have.
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Depends on what way; in terms of influencing progression of sound/genre shifting I think so. The only mainstream female pop act I think Bey can't and won't be able to catch on that front is Janet (and she won't because what Bey contributed built upon what Janet started). She also has the performing in her favor as well, but overall, no I don't think she has.
She's head and shoulders above her peers though and I think she's absolutely top of her generation considering things like long term influence and impact. But it's difficult to fairly compare against predecessors that were themselves influencers -- like when a lot of the things that Bey does throws back to the people you're comparing her with, it's indirectly contributing to their legacy as well so it's hard to say if she even really can considering that.
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No.
Another decade of consistency and impact then we will talk
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Originally posted by Icarus
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She`s not the biggest pop star right now, it should be Taylor or Adele.
Britney was biggest pop star 1999 - 2004
Beyonce was the biggest pop star 2005 - 2008 (Riri could give her a run though)
Gaga was biggest pop star 2009 - 2011
Taylor and Adele was biggest pop star 2011-present
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Why does Beyoncé have to surpass them, though?
Can someone please explain this?
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She's not in competition with them to surpass them in anything.
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Originally posted by One Nation
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I just don't get it. Their faves have a few good years and they equate them with legends.
Your music has to stand the test of time first.
This is no shade to Bey who's been in the game for almost 20 years now.
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Originally posted by Reverie
Ddd I'm fine with this
I guess Whitney and Mariah are still seen as the titans and not Bey yet because they come from an older era that many don't connect to and have larger numbers so they have that mystique to them
In terms of star power, media presence, etc. I do feel like Bey is much more ubiquitous in pop culture compared to Mariah and Whitney. Ignoring sales Bey's the one after Madonna who really does EVERYTHING she can in a Queen of Pop kind of way, some things Mariah n Whitney couldn't be bothered and they kinda occupy a niche.
In terms of musical influence I don't think it can be argued who's done more or whatever, since Bey is building on what they've done obv. It's kinda just petty lil arguments when you reach that level I think.
Basically Bey's the only one who's up there, or really close. And I mean it's 2016 and we got Lemonade, she refuses to quit!
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Why not. She always wins anyways.
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Not even close. Commercially, including DC, Beyonce is less than half of where Mariah is and about 70M album equivalents behind Whitney.
She has minimal impact compared to them, too.
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She needs to surpass Rihanna first
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Literally, all she would need is one super huge album along the lines of 21 or 25. She's surpassed them in most other fields.
I know it's hard for ATRLers, and the GP in general, to look past commercial success. So until that happens, let's just go with no. If you need more convincing, just ask the same question and replace it with Adele. She has half the years and achievements as Beyonce on her, but it's easier to say yes because her sales are so spectacular.
Sales matter in these kinds of analysis.
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shes surpassed whitney ages ago. Whitney only has two memorable eras and even her debut is more on the forgotten side. Beyonce has been crazily consistent and cemented herself as THE performer of the last 15 years.
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The answer is no. A strong no, a loud no, a resonant no, a damn sure near-eternal NO.
Let's start off with the fact that Whitney Houston is by far the most influential female vocalist of the past three decades, followed by Mariah. Beyonce does not come close.
Success goes without saying.
Anyone who thinks Beyonce has surpassed Whitney or Mariah in cultural significance or impact:
a) doesn't know what cultural impact is
b) needs to go and do research
c) is just talking for the sake of talking
d) all of the above.
Mariah Carey defined an entire decade of music. A decade. Then had perhaps the greatest comeback in recent history and ended the decade topping everyone...AGAIN. This is a woman whose vocal style has been imitated for the best part of almost three decades. This is a woman who has conquered not just her own home continent, but another on the other side of the world. This is a woman who is the top hitmaker out of all her peers.
Whitney Houston: there simply hasn't been and never will be again. This was a black female singer who outdid her white and male peers on the charts without any effort. This was a woman who shattered barriers for the female singer, the black singer, the pop singer and the R&B singer. This was a woman who set the standard for singing in the modern era and still holds it. Beyonce has not done any of these things, thus she cannot have surpassed Whitney in cultural significance.
The significance of Whitney Houston lies in the fact that she symbolizes the Civil Rights dream: everything coming together. She combined the old with the new and forged a new path and reached unsurpassed heights. Unsurpassed. She conquered music, Hollywood AND television. Another thing Beyonce has not done. She might be the closest in her generation to Whitney in terms of status, but even she doesn't come close.
In terms of media presence, Beyonce benefits from formats that Whitney and Mariah did not have, so you can't even really compare them in that either, especially seeing as how Whitney and Mariah were two the top-selling female artists of their time EFFORTLESSLY. Their entire star power came from their music success and popularity, and out of all the big divas of the 90s, only Whitney was able to successfully translate that success into other entertainment formats. No one else has done it since.
In terms of acclaim, again, you cannot compare. Retrospect has changed a lot of the narrative that was delivered about Whitney and Mariah. In their heyday, a specific type of critic dismissed their work as lacking substance and soul, and while acknowledging their vocal prowess, also dismissed their singing has having no substance and soul. Fast-forward a few decades later, and it's become quite a different story, especially in light of how music has changed so much (and for the worse, according to a lot of people).
You all like to get very excited when your favorite artists are being showered with praise, and that's absolutely fine, but 99% of the time, you also like to rewrite history with a very myopic and shallow outlook. You make grand statements w/o any kind of receipts or substance to back them up, thinking your "stan talk" is enough. Try coming with facts. If you can post on ATRL, you can go on Google and research.
P.S. Cultural impact does not equate to 200 articles written about your fav's latest album. Cultural impact refers to the effects of an artist's work on the culture, usually being reflected in the artist's influence and/or referenced in other media formats.
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No and no. I see it happening eventually though. But it's also really hard to compare acts from different times IMO.
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