[Akil]

Originally posted by lightstheyblindme

literally like I like Lulu and everything but how can you argue that the "abuelas" turned out for Hillary when she lost FL

Because the crackers did too(for Herr Trump), and in record numbers.

[Lord Blackout]

Hillary won't run in 4 years. For one, never has a candidate run twice for president after actually losing the general election in modern history. For two, she'll be like 73.

[Lord Blackout]

Attacking Hillary for her minority numbers is like attacking Taylor Swift for not doing Adele numbers.

[LuLuDrops]

Originally posted by lightstheyblindme

literally like I like Lulu and everything but how can you argue that the "abuelas" turned out for Hillary when she lost FL

Florida is the exception because of Cubanos (should've excluded them in my explanation), but look at the rest of the groups and there you go.

You think Latinos everywhere else would've turned out with the same zeal for Bernie? The only way that would happen is if Latino youth would've stumped the hell out for him and we all know most of the overall youth is too lazy to register.

It's one thing to say Bernie would get the whites to fill in the void and possibly win the election (could've happened), but to say he would've gotten the same level as minority support is something else.

[lightstheyblindme]

Originally posted by Lord Blackout

Hillary had better minority numbers than both Gore and Kerry. It's the white vote she lost by huge margins. Her minority vote was only disappointing compared to Obama.

the numbers were only comparable among black voters because they vote more or less the same in every election. Hillary did worse among Latino voters - it only looks like she didn't because the Hispanic/Latino population has exploded the past 15 years. Trump literally campaigned by saying the Latino/Hispanic population is the source of our nation's problems and he still got ~30% of their vote. That's how weak Hillary was with minority voters.

[Aden]

If Hillary was a "weak" candidate, then Bernie would have been a disaster. Given his track record with minorities, Trump's electoral count would have easily reached into the 400s. That is how bad he would have creamed Bernie. Do I need to remind his supporters of how he trailed Hillary by millions of votes in the primaries? If his supporters didn't even show up at the primaries, how could we have trusted his supporters to show up on election day?

[Lord Blackout]

Originally posted by lightstheyblindme

the numbers were only comparable among black voters because they vote more or less the same in every election. Hillary did worse among Latino voters - it only looks like she didn't because the Hispanic/Latino population has exploded the past 15 years. Trump literally campaigned by saying the Latino/Hispanic population is the source of our nation's problems and he still got ~30% of their vote. That's how weak Hillary was with minority voters.

"That's how weak Hillary was with minority voters" when she only did worse with them compared to the first black president (yes that affects the latino vote too), won the popular vote while losing the white vote in huge numbers and you're using this to defend Bernie who actually did bad with minorities. Do you even listen to yourself?

[lightstheyblindme]

Chief Financial Officer of the DNC attacking Bernie for his religious beliefs:

“It might may no difference, but for KY and WVA can we get someone to ask his belief. Does he believe in a God. He had skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage. I think I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist.”


In case you're wondering, this is why many Bernie's supporters chose to throw their votes away rather than lend their support to the corrupt Democratic party.

[LuLuDrops]

Originally posted by lightstheyblindme

the numbers were only comparable among black voters because they vote more or less the same in every election. Hillary did worse among Latino voters - it only looks like she didn't because the Hispanic/Latino population has exploded the past 15 years. Trump literally campaigned by saying the Latino/Hispanic population is the source of our nation's problems and he still got ~30% of their vote. That's how weak Hillary was with minority voters.

If it's true Trump got 30% of our vote then he would've gotten even more if Bernie would be the candidate, not because Latinos would jump ship to the Don, but because there'd be less turn out.

Bernie would still slay with Latinos compared to Trump, but not in the Obama/Clinton way. It'd be less.

[Lord Blackout]

So? A strategist also suggested she'd use the birther nonsense in ads and she didn't. How is that HER fault?

[Damien M]

Originally posted by Aden

If Hillary was a "weak" candidate, then Bernie would have been a disaster. Given his track record with minorities, Trump's electoral count would have easily reached into the 400s. That is how bad he would have creamed Bernie. Do I need to remind his supporters of how he trailed Hillary by millions of votes in the primaries? If his supporters didn't even show up at the primaries, how could we have trusted his supporters to show up on election day?

Sure, but no way he'd lose Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.
She literally lost dozens of white counties that a BLACK MAN FROM KENYA won twice, handily. There is no blue wall anymore thanks to Hillary. Crazy.

[hooky]

Originally posted by Akil

Hillary's done.

If the Democrats run another boring white.man in 4 yrs (see 2000/04) or a wannabe Obama (Booker) they deserve to lose every state.

At this point, I think the Democrats won't be a thing in 8 years in their present form. Fascism is quickly rising worldwide, and Europe is pretty much set to be completely controlled by fascists.

[Damien M]

And all the focus on hispanics ended up being a non starter.
There'll probably never ever be a latino president (or veep) bc of their bad voting patterns and lazy turnout

[LuLuDrops]

I'm hopeful about Arizona, but yeah the Texas dream has been pushed back a long way. It went down to a single digit, but it's still 9% which means Democrats can only chip at it in the short term. It's going to be a while *sigh*

[Lord Blackout]

Originally posted by Damien M

And all the focus on hispanics ended up being a non starter.
There'll probably never ever be a latino president (or veep) bc of their bad voting patterns and lazy turnout

Nah, their numbers were incredible in Arizona and California. If the dems can find out whatever happened there and apply it to the swing states, they can turn Hispanics into the new AAs and not have to focus so much on the WWC.

[lightstheyblindme]

Originally posted by Lord Blackout

"That's how weak Hillary was with minority voters" when she only did worse with them compared to the first black president (yes that affects the latino vote too), won the popular vote while losing the white vote in huge numbers and you're using this to defend Bernie who actually did bad with minorities. Do you even listen to yourself?

lol I'm not using this to defend Bernie or whatever - using his primary numbers with minorities to extrapolate how he would do with minorities as a hypothetical general election candidate is nonsensical but whatever helps you sleep at night.

I'm actually just making the point that Hillary flopped with Hispanic voters. you don't seem to understand my point so I'll reiterate: the biggest focus of Trump's campaign was that immigrants and specifically undocumented Mexican immigrants were the cause of rural White America's lack of economic opportunity. He literally ran a campaign of hate against them comparable to Strohm Thurmond/Jesse Helms' campaign against black voters in the south. and then about a third of Latino voters STILL decided to go to the polls for Donald Trump. Hillary should have won 90% of these voters like she did with black voters. Instead, her percentage of Latino voters was in the 60's. That is pathetic that she only got that much of the Latino/Hispanic vote against Donald Trump. She basically decided to not even make a claim for white working class voters, she conceded them from the start - so to win she knew she had to drum up really high minority numbers and she couldn't do it. The numbers were there for her to win but she wasn't popular enough with Latino/Hispanic voters against Donald Trump to win the election.

[LuLuDrops]

I just remembered Castro, the Cuban abuelas would've voted out us of the state of Florida in even bigger numbers if it was Bernie

If we want the state back it'll have to be a white candidate who hasn't uttered a peep on the Castros The Southern cities only held us up for so long The north needs more Latino (especially PR) influx or we're doomed

[lightstheyblindme]

Originally posted by Lord Blackout

Nah, their numbers were incredible in Arizona and California. If the dems can find out whatever happened there and apply it to the swing states, they can turn Hispanics into the new AAs and not have to focus so much on the WWC.

you don't have to be a genius to see what drove Latino/Hispanic turnout in those states: they share a border with Mexico and Trump was actively campaigning that immigrants from Mexico were ruining our country. also California's great Latino numbers are irrelevant and so were Arizona's because it was still red

[Yndda]

so the USA is really ****ed huh

we have a bunch of white supremacists in the white house
we have pence as VP
trump is going to **** up climate change by light years
the USA is divided more than ever
social rights in general are endangered

sighhh this country is going to have a really bleak future

I really want to be optimist but the west is becoming so populist and right-wing and this administration don't look to great

I'm praying for real that the electoral college votes hillary in.

[imabadkid]

Originally posted by hooky

At this point, I think the Democrats won't be a thing in 8 years in their present form. Fascism is quickly rising worldwide, and Europe is pretty much set to be completely controlled by fascists.

Everything in politics is a cycle. One party holds power for a certain amount of years then it goes to another. Although, with the state of where things are now it's hard to predict but I'd imagine it'll continue to flow in that same dynamic.