But she wasn't a centrist during her election at all. Remember what she said in her debate, "I'm a progressive who likes to get things done". Just because she's not marching in the streets and making a fool of herself like Jill Stein, it doesn't means she secretly opposed a federal government and wants to privatize healthcare. The thing is she's accused of being a centrist behind closed doors. She's not a centrist publicly. That's what people assume about her.
When you compare Hillary to today's conservatives - yes she seems very liberal. But when you compare her to the pre-Carter progressive Democrats then, yes she is undoubtedly a centrist. Hillary talks a big game in terms of regulating the banks/Wall St. but at the same time she has close ties to Wall St, calling into question how tough she'll be on these financial institutions. This is a defining trait of pretty much all neoliberal politicians: a lax approach on Wall St. in order to secure money and support from donors (because of the political reality that money wins elections). This is what centrism/neoliberalism is at its core: Progressivism, but with a healthy dose of realism. If a Progressive ideal is not practical in this political climate, that ideal gets nixed. A lot of Hillary's foreign policy (free trade/TPP which results in the corporate control of the world economy, pushing for a regime change in Libya through the use of CIA covert action, general support for military coups, pro-Israel, a STRONG anti-Iran stance in 2008, a pro-Iraq War stance as a Senator) are flat-out militarist and would not be out of place on a Republican's platform. Hillary also has very neoliberal domestic policy positions: she does not make the decriminalization of marijuana a goal, she has supported policies that resulted in mass incarceration, and she does not support expansion of Medicare to name a few.
Of course Hillary has some very Progressive stances: minimum wage increase, becoming less independent on fossil fuels, and immigration reform. But she really only supports Progressive policies if they are politically amenable - which, as I just stated, is the definition of a centrist.
When you compare Hillary to today's conservatives - yes she seems very liberal. But when you compare her to the pre-Carter progressive Democrats then, yes she is undoubtedly a centrist. Hillary talks a big game in terms of regulating the banks/Wall St. but at the same time she has close ties to Wall St, calling into question how tough she'll be on these financial institutions. This is a defining trait of pretty much all neoliberal politicians: a lax approach on Wall St. in order to secure money and support from donors (because of the political reality that money wins elections). This is what centrism/neoliberalism is at its core: Progressivism, but with a healthy dose of realism. If a Progressive ideal is not practical in this political climate, that ideal gets nixed. A lot of Hillary's foreign policy (free trade/TPP which results in the corporate control of the world economy, pushing for a regime change in Libya through the use of CIA covert action, general support for military coups, pro-Israel, a STRONG anti-Iran stance in 2008, a pro-Iraq War stance as a Senator) are flat-out militarist and would not be out of place on a Republican's platform. Hillary also has very neoliberal domestic policy positions: she does not make the decriminalization of marijuana a goal, she has supported policies that resulted in mass incarceration, and she does not support expansion of Medicare to name a few.
Of course Hillary has some very Progressive stances: minimum wage increase, becoming less independent on fossil fuels, and immigration reform. But she really only supports Progressive policies if they are politically amenable - which, as I just stated, is the definition of a centrist.
But the big banks are important and democrats have been the only ones to support actual regulations in that area. When deregulated, Wall St can be extremely dangerous but you don't wanna stifle them either. Not to mention she supported progressive tax policies that would tax the rich bigly. As for her militarist stances, those should be non-partisan stances because any nation that's deemed as anti-American should be the enemy of both parties (Well, except Russia apparently) And she wasn't exactly pro-Iraq war either. She voted for a resolution. GWB was the one who didn't use her strategy of diplomacy with military actually as a threat/last resort. He just lied to America and took the military and dumped it there out of nowhere without even taking it up with NATO allies like only a Republican would. As far as Marijuana, I agree that she should be less close minded on that issue but I guess that comes from her history as a book geek. And Bernie voted for the crime bill, for instance. Biden wrote the bill. She was just a first lady with barely any impact on the bill. Nevertheless, both her and Bernie fell for the crack era fear mongering which can tell you that it wasn't a centrist/progressive issue. It was huge at the time. As a senator or presidential candidate, she never supported mass incarceration or "cleaning out the inner cities" so that's what I'm talking about when I say that she's always judged by a man's actions (Bill's mass incarceration support/Obama's silence on the justice system's blatant racism) and she pays the price. As far as her being a centrist, I don't think being a progressive who knows a thing or two about the likelihood of getting things through congress (As a senator, only 4 of her proposed bills got republican backing) makes you a centrist; it makes you a realist.
I work in an industry that is heavily affected by Wall Street. My boss, who has been in said industry for 25+ years, said that the numbers we are seeing from Wall Street means they anticipate a return to the wild speculation and craziness that ended with the mess in the mid 2000s.
SL Were you ever offered the VP position, sir?
BS No. Absolutely not.
SL Would you have taken it?
BS Er. Probably, yes. But that’s again looking through the rear-view mirror.
Ok this is mess
It took me like 10 minutes to realize BS meant Bernie Sanders.
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In 8 years, rust belt people will be fed up with the GOP as well. Happens every time.
A lot of people (including the working class whites) will vote for whoever they think will be better for their jobs. In the rust belt, that meant Donald. If he doesn't deliver, a lot of them will vote against him next time.
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Originally posted by Clump
I work in an industry that is heavily affected by Wall Street. My boss, who has been in said industry for 25+ years, said that the numbers we are seeing from Wall Street means they anticipate a return to the wild speculation and craziness that ended with the mess in the mid 2000s.
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 50m50 minutes ago
The Democrats, when they incorrectly thought they were going to win, asked that the election night tabulation be accepted. Not so anymore!
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 4h4 hours ago
The Green Party scam to fill up their coffers by asking for impossible recounts is now being joined by the badly defeated & demoralized Dems
The country will never unite behind this guy. His approval rating isn't touching 50.
I work in an industry that is heavily affected by Wall Street. My boss, who has been in said industry for 25+ years, said that the numbers we are seeing from Wall Street means they anticipate a return to the wild speculation and craziness that ended with the mess in the mid 2000s.
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 50m50 minutes ago
The Democrats, when they incorrectly thought they were going to win, asked that the election night tabulation be accepted. Not so anymore!
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 4h4 hours ago
The Green Party scam to fill up their coffers by asking for impossible recounts is now being joined by the badly defeated & demoralized Dems
The country will never unite behind this guy. His approval rating isn't touching 50.
God. He's insufferable. This was his chance to NOT speak. Let it blow over and, more than likely, the recount would have come out a dud. But clearly he loves to provoke and fan the flames. He would have been a sore loser and he's quite ****ing plainly a sore winner too.
I can ONLY imagine the response had Obama directly addressed the racism flung directly at him and his wife. Imagine if he had said Donald's birther comments were "burgeoning on the racist assumption that a man with the name Barack couldn't possibly be born an American."
*outroar ensues from the right*
"Oh! Identity politics! Playing the race card! Country is the most divisive it's ever been under Obama!"
I swear. I'm gonna pop off on the next Trump supporter that tries me. I'm PRESSED!
And I rarely ever hate anyone, as I believe it's a wasted emotion. But someone like him in such a position saying such things is as'd;; ;;; I can't even type without seeing red.
God. He's insufferable. This was his chance to NOT speak. Let it blow over and, more than likely, the recount would have come out a dud. But clearly he loves to provoke and fan the flames. He would have been a sore loser and he's quite ****ing plainly a sore winner too.
I can ONLY imagine the response had Obama directly addressed the racism flung directly at him and his wife. Imagine if he had said Donald's birther comments were "burgeoning on the racist assumption that a man with the name Barack couldn't possibly be born an American."
*outroar ensues from the right*
"Oh! Identity politics! Playing the race card! Country is the most divisive it's ever been under Obama!"
I swear. I'm gonna pop off on the next Trump supporter that tries me. I'm PRESSED!
Keep cool!
The Obama years are over. Soon, we'll be the opposition aka the ones who get to piss others off.
