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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
Member Since: 4/28/2011
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Originally posted by lightstheyblindme
oh my god... are you insane? the media was Trump's biggest ally in this election process
• they gave him an estimated $5 billion in free advertising, largely because he drew ratings, allowing him to spend much less on TV than Hillary
• they let him get away with being very general and vague in his policy proposals ("I will repeal Obamacare and replace it with something terrific.") and generally holding him to a lower standard for specificity in his policies than they did Hillary
• the media perpetuated harmful misinformation about Donald Trump, such as the notion that he was the most pro-gay Republican candidate ever (in reality, his official party platform drafted at the RNC was actually one of the most anti-LGBT platforms in history). This allowed him to capture an estimated 14% of the gay vote while running on a platform that vowed to decrease assistance to gay hate crime victims and reverse Obama's executive orders providing protections for trans public school students
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Its not hard to realise why. He was different. A bit rude, a tad disgraceful in the language used but alas, it was different. And the media and the public were intrigued. Repulsed yes, but intrigued all the same. Thats why they gave him a platform. They never truly believed that it would result in huge swathes of people buying into the message and electing him as their Commander-In-Chief.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Mike91
Bernie would have won because he would have kept the blue firewall in tact. MI, WI, and PA would have never went red. Maine's second congressional district wouldn't have gone red, he probably would have won Iowa, possibly Ohio (not sure about though, it could have gone either way), he probably could have also had huge voter turnout in college towns in NC and turned that blue, and NH would have never been close.
He would have had appeal in some other blue collar areas of the country that didn't trust Clinton, bringing in the white working class vote and turning out millennials in higher numbers than they did.
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What about long-time democrats? Would they have gone to Bernie?
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Member Since: 4/28/2011
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Originally posted by Icarus
First post! Hillary WILL be your next President  accept her, embrace her, fear her |
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Originally posted by wesleywalrus
TRUMP will CONQUER
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Originally posted by Javan
Hillary will be indicted. Bernie will be president.
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 @ the report. mess
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by TheVoiceXtina
Its not hard to realise why. He was different. A bit rude, a tad disgraceful in the language used but alas, it was different. And the media and the public were intrigued. Repulsed yes, but intrigued all the same. Thats why they gave him a platform. They never truly believed that it would result in huge swathes of people buying into the message and electing him as their Commander-In-Chief.
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Which is yet another great thing about his presidency. It'll restore the intellectualism of the election process
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by Lebanese Dude
No she was not, and your arguments are nonsensical.
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this delusional, narrow minded thinking is why Hillary LOST. she was a flawed candidate from day one
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Artemisia
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She really stepped up her game lately
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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You guys keep going on and on about Bernie but that ship has sailed and no one knows how he would've faired in a general election.
Now, in terms of what direction the Dems need to go for the next election. I do think it'll be someone from the progressive wing of the party that prevails but I'm not so sure the 'outsider' message is going to be what catches on with people. Trump is the ultimate 'outsider' so if his Presidency fails, people may be afraid of going that route again if he succeeds, then he'll own the outsider mantle.
I think the candidate that offers a hopeful message mixed with an 'anti-Trumpism' message (preferably someone who's currently in Congress fighting against all of the ridiculous things the GOP and Trump want to do) will be who comes out as our party's leader. All in all, the Dems need to do away with the superdelegate system and let the candidates make the case to the people with out any shenanigans going on behind the scenes. Let the people dictate the process and choose their candidate.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Raster
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He probably has nothing to worry about since Russia and WikiLeaks have an agenda
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Artemisia
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The Mariah gif
ICONIC.
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Member Since: 4/16/2011
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Trump's children are going to be his downfall. He's already trying to go against the anti-nepotism law to give his kids security clearances. He's going to do something illegal in this administration that may get him impeached.
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Originally posted by giRLbye.
Trump's children are going to be his downfall. He's already trying to go against the anti-nepotism law to give his kids security clearances. He's going to do something illegal in this administration that may get him impeached.
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This is exactly what the GOP wants. It will both increase their chances and get Mike Pence in office (who is far more predictable and by-the-book).
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Originally posted by Raster
This is exactly what the GOP wants. It will both increase their chances and get Mike Pence in office (who is far more predictable and by-the-book).
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Nah....they know a sizable fraction of their base hangs on to every word Trump says and if a Republican Congress moves to impeach Trump, there would be an all out war within the party and a rift that would take years to mend.
If Trump is impeached it would have to be because of something catastrophic or it would have to happen with a Dem led Congress. The GOP are too cowardly to hold him accountable for his actions
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Member Since: 4/16/2011
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Did you guys talk about Obama's shade towards Hillary during yesterday's press conference?
“You know, I won Iowa not because the demographics dictated that I would win Iowa. It was because I spent 87 days going to every small town and fair and fish fry and VFW hall, and there were some counties where I might have lost, but maybe I lost by 20 points instead of 50 points,” Obama said. “There are some counties maybe I won that people didn’t expect because people had a chance to see you and listen to you and get a sense of who you stood for and who you were fighting for.”
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...gn-work-231370
Hillary didn't even visit Wisconsin at all...not even one time. She barely went to Iowa after the primary and only did that last minute visit to Michigan in the campaign. But the places she did visit like PA, FL, OH - she still lost all those.
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Originally posted by giRLbye.
Did you guys talk about Obama's shade towards Hillary during yesterday's press conference?
“You know, I won Iowa not because the demographics dictated that I would win Iowa. It was because I spent 87 days going to every small town and fair and fish fry and VFW hall, and there were some counties where I might have lost, but maybe I lost by 20 points instead of 50 points,” Obama said. “There are some counties maybe I won that people didn’t expect because people had a chance to see you and listen to you and get a sense of who you stood for and who you were fighting for.”
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...gn-work-231370
Hillary didn't even visit Wisconsin at all...not even one time. She barely went to Iowa after the primary and only did that last minute visit to Michigan in the campaign. But the places she did visit like PA, FL, OH - she still lost all those. |
Eh that's not shade, that's an honest critique and Bill had the same critique. Hindsight is 20/20 but we now know that her campaign's lack of focus in the rust best hurt her. That's not necessarily her fault, her campaign failed her in that regard
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Member Since: 4/23/2012
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Yeah I honestly think Trump's a decoy for Pence; he has no plans, he's contradicting certain plans & statements, he's giving all of these radical alt-right people a job in the White House, all while giving half assed answers in interviews.
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Member Since: 4/23/2012
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Also, I see so many gays here who hate Islam but defend Christianity not realizing that Christians are some of the biggest homophobes and are part to blame for the incriminating laws of the past that shunned gays.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Damien M
this delusional, narrow minded thinking is why Hillary LOST. she was a flawed candidate from day one
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Not you calling me narrow minded when you take a complex situation with many variables and boil it down to a simple conclusion to justify your own perceptions.
The mere fact that you're using the argument of a flawed candidate when Trump is far more flawed should give you a hint.
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Member Since: 4/16/2011
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Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl
Eh that's not shade, that's an honest critique and Bill had the same critique. Hindsight is 20/20 but we now know that her campaign's lack of focus in the rust best hurt her. That's not necessarily her fault, her campaign failed her in that regard
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It's her fault too. Hillary does deserve some of the blame for the failure of this campaign along with other elements that contributed.
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