[musicman101]

Originally posted by collin

I wonder who was supposed to be the female feature on Rock N Roll?

Something tells me it would have saved her career but now it's much too late.

Knowing her it was probably someone really uneventful

[collin]

It's so obvious that Taylor would never have existed the way she is today without Avril.

[musicman101]

Originally posted by hindsight

Losing Grip
Things I'll Never Say
Too Much To Ask
Why
Nobody's Home
Who Knows
Fall To Pieces
My Happy Ending
I Can Do Better
Everything Back But You
Hot
Not Enough
Darlin

her best sings

Your taste >

I'd add I Will Be on there as well

[madonnas]

She was one of the first pop girls inspired by Peaches too (before my fave and xtina!!).

[hindsight]

Miley?

[musicman101]

Omfg I had no idea this still existed

[St. Charles]

I remember seeing that as a kid and getting pissed off. But then I listened to the original song and was slayed also. Both are good.

**** the Pain Away is a masterpiece and I always play it in front of my friends on Skype. They like it for some odd reason.

[Lord Blackout]

Originally posted by collin

Eeeeeeehhh

Katy is so bad at everything. Her trying to rip off Avril for 5 years was so pathetic.

She didn't try. Her label at the time thought that was a way to success and she saw right through that.
That's why those clones vanished alone with their OG soon afterwards and only Taylor could get away with using that gimmick. Ratvril is no Godney when it comes to influence.

[Pop]

Realistically, all of them are Max Martin/Dr Luke puppets.

Katy, Avril, Taylor, Ashlee, Kesha... they're just vocals/brands delivering music that was done by those two.

I respect Gaga and Madonna for never working with them.

[slobro]

The way all the Disney girls went the pop/rock route because of Godvril's template

[collin]

Avril had a pretty identical level of influence to Britney at the time although slightly smaller.

[St. Charles]

The way Legendvril remains unbothered.

[musicman101]

Originally posted by slobro

The way all the Disney girls went the pop/rock route because of Godvril's template

Even influencing Lilo. Lmao and even Demi Lovato opened for Avril back in 2008

[St. Charles]

GL sold the same as FF with no top 10's compared to 3. And only 1 top 40. WTH sold 5m copies WW...

also I think AL sold more than BJ, it's at 750k or somewhere close and HTNGU is plat, not sure what sales BJ is at.

Don't get me wrong I like Godney, but the Queen Lavigne stanning in me is waking up.

[hindsight]

Originally posted by musicman101

Your taste >

I'd add I Will Be on there as well

Keep Holding On >>>>> I Will Be, Innocence, When You're Gone

[St. Charles]

Originally posted by Pop

Realistically, all of them are Max Martin/Dr Luke puppets.

Katy, Avril, Taylor, Ashlee, Kesha... they're just vocals/brands delivering music that was done by those two.

I respect Gaga and Madonna for never working with them.

I think the bulk of Avril's success comes from outside of Max / Luke, though.

[musicman101]

Originally posted by hindsight

Keep Holding On >>>>> I Will Be, Innocence, When You're Gone

I agree. But I Will Be really is that wedding song that died before it was ever born tbh

All of Me who?? Marry You who??

[collin]

What Avril is most known for has nothing to do with Max/Luke albeit her having a strong hand in making their music a big thing.

[musicman101]

Originally posted by collin

What Avril is most known for has nothing to do with Max/Luke albeit her having a strong hand in making their music a big thing.

Yeah I mean most of her legacy comes from her first two albums which she didn't work with either of them on.

The only Max Martin songs on TBDT were the rejected bonus tracks and he did like 4 songs on Goodbye Lullaby

Dr. Luke is largely responsible for TBDT tho. A bop album for sure, although not as good as her other two. Luke's production was really good tho.

[Dollas n Diamonds]

Avril was a fraud that had her persona and music drummed up by her label

She deserves to be erased