No one said being a transvestite isn't a thing, but that you saying trans women who do not "dress as women" or who "don't medically transition" are "transvestites, not transgenders" is ****ing gross and transphobic.
Transgender = you were assigned a gender at birth you do not agree with.
That's literally it. That's the parameters of being trans. Why do you hate trans people so much? It's vile.
What you're doing is like trying to say someone is only "legally gay" if they've dated a certain number of people of the same sex - which is an absurd thought. These identities are about feelings, not actions.
No one said being a transvestite isn't a thing, but that you saying trans women who do not "dress as women" or who "don't medically transition" are "transvestites, not transgenders" is ****ing gross and transphobic.
Transgender = you were assigned a gender at birth you do not agree with.
That's literally it. That's the parameters of being trans. Why do you hate trans people so much? It's vile.
I said that transgenders usually tend to medically transition too, not that they have to. What part of "transgenders IDENTIFY as opposite gender" and "transvestites don't change their identity" part you don't understand?
that last sentence is so tragic. If I was a "transphobe", I wouldn't fight for transgender people and their rights. (the actual transgenders).
Except this whole conversation started because you SAID that trans people who didn't medically transition or try to be "accepted as the other gender [by appearing as it]" are "not real transgenders, but transvestites".
You suggested the criteria to be trans was to medically transition, which is wrong & which was said to be offensive.
The reality is:
Transgender = Feeling, an identity
Transvestite = Action, a kink, etc.
A transgender person is simply someone who identifies as a different gender, no matter how the outside looks or how it will still look. A transvestite is someone who puts on clothes of the "opposite" gender for entertainment, for fun, for sexual kinks, etc, but who still identifies as the gender they were assigned. That's literally it.
So your original point of quantifying "real transgenders" pages back is mute and wrong. There is a difference between transgender & transvestite, but if you're using that to invalidate trans folk who haven't undergone medical treatments then you're simply transphobic and ****ing ignorant.
mess, I just went to facebook after ages, and a friend posted this on their feed:
how tragic.
All religions, especially those first three abrahamic ones, are all terrorist ideologies. ISIS is literally following rules and passages from their book, that is no different than other ones with few irrelevant changes
They dictate how women must act in a society, how homosexuals should be treated. What humans should and shouldn't do when it comes to bizzare things such as food and sex
It's literally controlling people's lives in extreme, violent way, and these people who repost this pic think they're being "woke" about this. Tragic.
Except this whole conversation started because you SAID that trans people who didn't medically transition or try to be "accepted as the other gender [by appearing as it]" are "not real transgenders, but transvestites".
You suggested the criteria to be trans was to medically transition, which is wrong & which was said to be offensive.
The reality is:
Transgender = Feeling, an identity
Transvestite = Action, a kink, etc.
A transgender person is simply someone who identifies as a different gender, no matter how the outside looks or how it will still look. A transvestite is someone who puts on clothes of the "opposite" gender for entertainment, for fun, for sexual kinks, etc, but who still identifies as the gender they were assigned. That's literally it.
So your original point of quantifying "real transgenders" pages back is mute and wrong. There is a difference between transgender & transvestite, but if you're using that to invalidate trans folk who haven't undergo medical treatments then you're simply transphobic and ****ing ignorant.
so this post is full of lies and untrue.
"Except this whole conversation started because you SAID that trans people who didn't medically transition or try to be "accepted as the other gender [by appearing as it]""
I was trying to example the difference between transgenders and transvestites, which may have come out differently interpreted since I am bad at explaining things at first. At least this time I gave time to try and exaplain as clear as I possibly can the point I was originally planning to make.
"So your original point of quantifying "real transgenders" pages back is mute and wrong. There is a difference between transgender & transvestite, but if you're using that to invalidate trans folk who haven't undergo medical treatments then you're simply transphobic and ****ing ignorant."
Transgender people don't have to do medical transition. They might not have money or they have fear of changing their current body. But as I stated already, they are MOST LIKELY to make their body change and appear as the opposite gender. Doesn't mean they aren't transgenders when they still change their identity. And mess @ you labelling transvestites as a fetish and sexual kinks
Cross-dressers, who are technically "transvestites" (though most of the West agrees this word is mostly a pejorative and needs to be just stop being used), are cis men who get off on the fact they're wearing "women's" clothing. They're sexually aroused by their action. So yes, it's a paraphilia, aka a kink.
This again shows you really aren't getting the distinction and you want to believe in some ignorant ranking you've been taught to think of what one is and the other is.
For someone who loves science, you sure love talking about **** you know nothing about.
mess, I just went to facebook after ages, and a friend posted this on their feed:
how tragic.
All religions, especially those first three abrahamic ones, are all terrorist ideologies. ISIS is literally following rules and passages from their book, that is no different than other ones with few irrelevant changes
They dictate how women must act in a society, how homosexuals should be treated. What humans should and shouldn't do when it comes to bizzare things such as food and sex
It's literally controlling people's lives in extreme, violent way, and these people who repost this pic think they're being "woke" about this. Tragic.
Doesn't atheism support and justify this behavior though? In fact, morally speaking, doesn't the atheistic worldview support and justify pedophilia, cannibalism, rape, etc. This is a serious question.
Doesn't atheism support and justify this behavior though? In fact, morally speaking, doesn't the atheistic worldview support and justify pedophilia, cannibalism, rape, etc. This is a serious question.
Yes, there are anarcho-Atheists who think that, because there is no God, that morality is not a real thing either and that there should be free will, free speech, free action, etc. and that every criminal action, every single drug, etc. should all be legalized. Many of these Atheists are the small-government/destroy the government reddit-type of weirdos.
Cross-dressers, who are technically "transvestites" (though most of the West agrees this word is mostly a pejorative and needs to be just stop being used), are cis men who get off on the fact they're wearing "women's" clothing. They're sexually aroused by their action. So yes, it's a paraphilia, aka a kink.
This again shows you really aren't getting the distinction and you want to believe in some ignorant ranking you've been taught to think of what one is and the other is.
For someone who loves science, you sure love talking about **** you know nothing about.
LMAO and how is your ignorance about transvestism has to do with science?
"This again shows you really aren't getting the distinction and you want to believe in some ignorant ranking you've been taught to think of what one is and the other is."
THE IRONY OF IT ALL.
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Doesn't atheism support and justify this behavior though? In fact, morally speaking, doesn't the atheistic worldview support and justify pedophilia, cannibalism, rape, etc. This is a serious question.
actually atheism is rejection of religion. Religions have their set of rules, atheism does not. That would be atheist picking his own social and political worldview.
Yes, there are anarcho-Atheists who think that, because there is no God, that morality is not a real thing either and that there should be free will, free speech, free action, etc. and that every criminal action, every single drug, etc. should all be legalized. Many of these Atheists are the small-government/destroy the government reddit-type of weirdos.
Aren't all atheist who believe in macro-evolution supposed to believe this though? If there is no God, or moral law giver, then how does an atheist justify an objective sense of morality. Can an atheist ever truly say or believe that murdering homosexuals or women or children is absolutely wrong and never morally right? Doesn't a true atheist have to admit that rape, cannibalism, pedophilia, etc. is just as morally right as not raping, molesting and eating children, women and homosexuals. Again, this is a serious question.
With Halloween right around the corner I am already preparing rage filled Tumblr posts about all the horrible cultural appropriation that is about to happen. My culture is NOT a costume I will do what any decent person is going to do on Halloween: stay home all night and call out people on Instagram who wear Lederhosen and Dirndls for stealing MY culture. It is MINE! This year I will educate every single xenophobic shitlord I can find and tell them how opressive they really are
Doesn't atheism support and justify this behavior though? In fact, morally speaking, doesn't the atheistic worldview support and justify pedophilia, cannibalism, rape, etc. This is a serious question.
How so?
I wouldn't label atheists in one group since they do not share a common belief or ideology (except for the lack of belief of any religion).
So maybe psychopath atheists would justify those things but just because we don't have a book that tells us what is right and what is wrong, doesn't mean that we don't know anything about morals and ethics.
Personally I really don't understand how someone can say "I don't date anyone from race X at all". I mean really? Even if the most beautiful person of that race would wanna date you you'd say no? That always seemed bizarre to me. However, labeling sexual preferences as racism is the usual, overdramatic beahviour this generation is becoming known for. Especially when a lot of times the race differs from the person's own race. If a black guy only wants Asian women he is racist towards blacks? I highly doubt it. Sadly a lot of people shout racism as a go-to attack these days.
Jaclyn said a very important thing similiar to my thoughts on people attacking anyone who doesn't find fat people beautiful: you are not entitled to a date,relationships or sex.
Aren't all atheist who believe in macro-evolution supposed to believe this though? If there is no God, or moral law giver, then how does an atheist justify an objective sense of morality. Can an atheist ever truly say or believe that murdering homosexuals or women or children is absolutely wrong and never morally right? Doesn't a true atheist have to admit that rape, cannibalism, pedophilia, etc. is just as morally right as not raping, molesting and eating children, women and homosexuals. Again, this is a serious question.
So you need a religious book to get what's wrong and right and can't imagine some people can figure it out on their own ?
I wouldn't label atheists in one group since they do not share a common belief or ideology (except for the lack of belief of any religion).
So maybe psychopath atheists would justify those things but just because we don't have a book that tells us what is right and what is wrong, doesn't mean that we don't know anything about morals and ethics.
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So you need a religious book to get what's wrong and right and can't imagine some people can figure it out on their own ?
Right and wrong? How do you determine what is right and what is wrong? Are you implying that atheist can know what is absolutely right and absolutely wrong apart from a God, or a moral law giver? Are you saying that an atheist can believe certain things like pedophilia and murdering homosexuals are absolutely and objectively wrong morally and evil. If so, how so?
Right and wrong? How do you determine what is right and what is wrong? Are you implying that atheist can know what is absolutely right and absolutely wrong apart from a God, or a moral law giver? Are you saying that an atheist can believe certain things like pedophilia and murdering homosexuals are absolutely and objectively wrong morally and evil. If so, how so?
Because as atheist we were graced with common sense.
Plus how can you imply murdering homosexuals is objectively wrong when religious books are MORE than obscure about that, even asking for murdering pretty clearly sometimes. Did you interpret it ? How did you interpret it ? According to the society's standards of behavior, common sense, ??? Yeah ?
Because as atheist we were graced with common sense.
Plus how can you imply murdering homosexuals is objectively wrong when religious books are MORE than obscure about that, even asking for murdering pretty clearly sometimes. Did you interpret it ? How did you interpret it ? According to the society's standards of behavior, common sense, ??? Yeah ?
Muhammad married a 9 year old girl and child marriage is not forbidden in Islam, but most Muslims today don't marry children. It's almost like religion is not the only source of determining what is right and wrong, even for religious people
Right and wrong? How do you determine what is right and what is wrong? Are you implying that atheist can know what is absolutely right and absolutely wrong apart from a God, or a moral law giver? Are you saying that an atheist can believe certain things like pedophilia and murdering homosexuals are absolutely and objectively wrong morally and evil. If so, how so?
There is no objective definition of right and wrong.
Morals are subjective are vary from culture to culture and time period to time period.
Being what is today considered to be moral person is very simple: just treat everyone as you wish to be treated yourself and you're good to go. This and secular reasoning has led to today's societies which is historically the society that is better off than ever before when it comes to freedom and standard of living.
I will do what any decent person is going to do on Halloween: stay home all night and call out people on Instagram who wear Lederhosen and Dirndls for stealing MY culture. It is MINE! This year I will educate every single xenophobic shitlord I can find and tell them how opressive they really are 
