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Album: Lady Gaga - 'Joanne'
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Originally posted by LadyGagaStan93
I understand that and honestly creativity is kind of an opinion too really. So maybe for you it is a creative downfall. To me PI is about as good as album track Gaga song, and the video is better than Love Game, G.U.Y, Marry The Night, Born This Way, You & I, and TEOG. It's not amazing, but it's not terrible either. I don't think "different" instantly means good, but none of this is by no means different, it's just different for Gaga. 
The sooner you guys understand that she wasn't some infallible space alien making GOD LEVEL pop music, the better. |
And none of that disappoints you after the lackluster era that was ARTPOP and the 3 years wait that followed ?
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If that info is correct, then I am very excited! I have a good feeling that the album will be great and much higher quality than PI is. Hopefully PI is the worst or one of the worst songs on the record.
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My favorite song titles are Just Another Day, Angel Down and Million Reasons. She better not disappoint!
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Originally posted by H-I-M
And none of that disappoints you after the lackluster era that was ARTPOP and the 3 years wait that followed ?
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Eh, if you expected every single day of your life to be better than it was yesterday you're fooling yourself and asking for disappointment. She's not always going to out peak herself. Especially someone with a monstrous debut like hers.
Understand that I don't think you guys are crazy for not liking it, I'm really NOT. But I really think the problem is that your expectations are for her to constantly WOW you, when really you need to just be hoping you like the damn output. If you don't it's alright to listen to something else  Honestly, I hate that I ****ing named myself "LadyGagaStan93" because I really don't think that's what I am at all, I just love music 
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Get atrl plus and changing it to GagaMusicLover93 
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I just remembered Anna Faris in The House Bunny saying "Joanne" in her weird demon voice. 
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by H-I-M
Get atrl plus and changing it to GagaMusicLover93 |
Is it bad that I actually like this username?
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Originally posted by H-I-M
And none of that disappoints you after the lackluster era that was ARTPOP and the 3 years wait that followed ?
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I am sure some of the people here pretending to like PI are quite disappointed, they just force themselves to like it because its a Gaga song.
For me it looks like Joanne will be another disappointment, I guess that when Joanne drops and if I dont like it, I will leave ATRL and wait for the next album. I only hope LG6 does not come in 2020. Judging by PI's sales maybe the era will end in a year.
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Member Since: 6/1/2011
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Originally posted by ShineOverShadow
If that info is correct, then I am very excited! I have a good feeling that the album will be great and much higher quality than PI is. Hopefully PI is the worst or one of the worst songs on the record.
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I hope so for y'alls sake, but poor me my wig if it is. 
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huh. When they said Shake it Off rip off I was thinking of Florence's 
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Originally posted by Optimus
I am sure some of the people here pretending to like PI are quite disappointed, they just force themselves to like it because its a Gaga song.
For me it looks like Joanne will be another disappointment, I guess that when Joanne drops and if I dont like it, I will leave ATRL and wait for the next album. I only hope LG6 does not come in 2020. Judging by PI's sales maybe the era will end in a year.
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No, not really! They really like it. Maybe you are trying to pretend to think that the people here are pretending to like PI.  Perfect Illusion, isn't it? 
Sorry, babe but #LG6 will be out by 2022
This will be her least commercial selling album, idk why were you expecting huge number. She will end this era shorter than you think. Did you forget that she have to do the ASIB movie along with Soundtrack? I hope one of the redone song will be on soundtrack for you! 
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Originally posted by HandsOn
 Give it. |
Simplest version is that Stefani became a version of Lady Gaga that was too far from herself. It happens to a lot of artists as fame, money, power.. general music industry has an affect on people. You become smarter and wiser with business deals and it slowly but surely becomes a job whereby you're following the rules of the industry you're in, rather than doing what you love and it just so happens to be listened by millions of people around the world. Trends on the charts, the go-to producers, writers, radio hosts, TV shows.. pandering. That's not why Stefani became Gaga and wanted to be a musician.
Nor did Stefani have hopes of becoming a musician at the price of being sexually abused, manhandled, controlled nor forced by the 'world of fame' where it seems that anything goes and everyone is allowed to treat celebrities however they please.
Stefani genuinely loves what she does and none of it has been false. Yet it has been exaggerated and she's riding a train of "what's she going to do next" to try and gain more attention, followers, ticket buyers.. etc. After her disputes with Troy and others, she realised that she had neglected and almost forgotten what really mattered to her. First and foremost, family, and her friends. That must be when everyone's faves are most relaxed, they're not on Oprah being watched by millions across America. I think the general idea of what she's doing is that she just wants to be Stefani, not this person that's been told to go here, there, everywhere.. she's a human being, she has a family, she loves music, and wants to share it with her fans.
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Originally posted by Optimus
I am sure some of the people here pretending to like PI are quite disappointed, they just force themselves to like it because its a Gaga song.
For me it looks like Joanne will be another disappointment, I guess that when Joanne drops and if I dont like it, I will leave ATRL and wait for the next album. I only hope LG6 does not come in 2020. Judging by PI's sales maybe the era will end in a year.
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Well, if I'm forcing myself to like the song, then I only wonder what it feels like to force yourself to like an artist, when you've really only liked 2 out of their 5 albums.
Actually, leave ATRL and never come back.
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Originally posted by ALA
huh. When they said Shake it Off rip off I was thinking of Florence's |
Me too. I got excited until I realised that Florence's is Shake It Out, not 'Off'.
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Originally posted by J a y
Simplest version is that Stefani became a version of Lady Gaga that was too far from herself. It happens to a lot of artists as fame, money, power.. general music industry has an affect on people. You become smarter and wiser with business deals and it slowly but surely becomes a job whereby you're following the rules of the industry you're in, rather than doing what you love and it just so happens to be listened by millions of people around the world. Trends on the charts, the go-to producers, writers, radio hosts, TV shows.. pandering. That's not why Stefani became Gaga and wanted to be a musician.
Nor did Stefani have hopes of becoming a musician at the price of being sexually abused, manhandled, controlled nor forced by the 'world of fame' where it seems that anything goes and everyone is allowed to treat celebrities however they please.
Stefani genuinely loves what she does and none of it has been false. Yet it has been exaggerated and she's riding a train of "what's she going to do next" to try and gain more attention, followers, ticket buyers.. etc. After her disputes with Troy and others, she realised that she had neglected and almost forgotten what really mattered to her. First and foremost, family, and her friends. That must be when everyone's faves are most relaxed, they're not on Oprah being watched by millions across America. I think the general idea of what she's doing is that she just wants to be Stefani, not this person that's been told to go here, there, everywhere.. she's a human being, she has a family, she loves music, and wants to share it with her fans.
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On point! 
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Member Since: 2/12/2012
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Originally posted by LadyGagaStan93
Actually, leave ATRL and never come back.
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ddd; SAVAGE
OT: I am so nervous on how to expect the album. Someone who went to that party was left shocked but then enjoyed it
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The thing with "Gaga" is that she had everything to become a legend. She had the sales (but that's a detail), the impact and the acclaim.
I completely understand that Joanne is making the music she likes, or at least thought she liked, but what's the point if she's not making any mark anymore as a mainstream artist ? C2C is the kind of change that will be remembered,
She admitted herself that PI was her aiming for another Grammy nomination, and I'm sure she'd also want VMA's and whatnot but if the reception for this album is as bad as ARTPOP critically, then it will have been another wasted Era that will quickly be forgotten...
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Someone posted this on GGD:
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Personally, here is my interpretation: Fame. With Gaga, it always comes back to fame:
1st album--TF: Whole persona was pure satire, mocking the absurdity of fame. From her "gimmicks" to the song/MV for "Paparazzi," she perfectly demonstrated the predictability of the general public, getting them to eat up her formulaic pop music while failing to demonstrate her remarkable vocal/artistic abilities.
2nd album--TFM: Continued theme, now more explicitly showing the dark side of fame, except now she has become so entrenched in her own satire that it has become difficult to separate her persona from her actual identity. "Bad Romance" was a song which brilliantly depicted her internal struggle at this time: the dichotomy between seeing the ugliness and disease of celebrity whilst simultaneously craving it more and more.
The dual EP covers validate this further: one side depicting the blonde pop persona of Gaga, while the other revealing the brokenness and internal darkness of Stefani. This brilliant EP always brings to mind the following quote by Nietzsche: "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss also gazes into you."
3rd album--BTW: Beyond the obvious support for the LGBTQ community, many missed Gaga's attempt to also illustrate the underlying statement represented by the much-ridiculed album cover, wherein she is no longer a separate entity from a commercial product (as she had previously been able to keep separate with the dual covers of TFM): She, herself, now believes she was "born this way,"--half human (Stefani) and half commercial product/machine (Gaga). She can no longer distinguish the two identities.
This is further highlighted in the music video, wherein she herself is a skeleton--dancing and celebrating despite the death of her humanity. "Judas" was essentially BR 2.0--she's still in love with the fame that continues to betray her. Releasing "Marry the Night" as her final single for BTW was no mistake either--the music video, at last, showed fans a glimpse of how profoundly Stefani had been broken to become Gaga. And the lyrics, again, reaffirm how she had decided to embrace this change.
4th album--AP: Gaga herself described the album as having "a lack of maturity and responsibility." She, after having displayed her vulnerability through TFM and BTW, essentially (intentionally) went back to square one, mirroring TF thematically. Hence, the songs largely returned to the general pop format as seen in her first album: with overarching superficial themes of sex, and leaving the listener to distinguish whether or not there was a deeper underlying message (which, of course, there was--particularly through "Aura." She is asking her audience: "Do you wanna see the girl who lives behind the aura?" She doesn't know anymore if even her fans care to see who she really is inside, buried beneath her public persona).
Then, "Applause" is essentially the sequel to "Paparazzi," and illustrates her pop entity's need, beyond all else, to be famous--receiving attention was her lifeblood.
And now--PI: During her break from pop music, I believe Stefani the individual re-emerged, and realized that her love affair (or "bad romance") with fame wasn't real. The "love" she thought she was receiving from the general public, media and even many of her "fans" was inauthentic, as she eventually realized they did not care to see the real girl behind the aura--only the global superstar dominating charts.
However, once allowing herself time away from the haze of pop superstardom (I.e. "somewhere in all the confusion") she had an epiphany, and no longer cares to live for the applause. Hence she so clearly states: "I'm over the show, yeah at least now I know." That's why the single cover is, for the first time, back to basics for Stefani the artist, rather than Gaga. It is just her performing--and we can take her or leave her. She no longer desires to live in an illusion, no matter how perfect it may have seemed.
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@J a y Read this. Very lengthy but worth it!
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These album details are so exciting  By Shake it Off do they mean Taylor's, Mariah's or Florence's Shake it Out?
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Me too. I got excited until I realised that Florence's is Shake It Out, not 'Off'. |
Maybe they mean Mariah's?
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