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Discussion: Beyonce: same level as Madonna, Mariah, Whitney, Janet?
Member Since: 8/30/2010
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atrl can't handle the fact beyonce is legend already. so...
19 years into carrer, beyonce doing WW stadium tour and sold albums as much as new hot artists. can hit the top10, #1 If she wants. I mean.. who else..? her nickname for medai and GP is queen B. it says all.
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Member Since: 1/31/2012
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Yeah she is.
The divas of the 80s and 90s are just that. The divas of the 00s and 10''s are here and Beyoncé is leading the pack.
Keep seething 
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Dragonfury
Is Beyonce on the same level as Madonna, Mariah, Whitney, Janet and Celine?
These five women, the Big 5, are among the most successful, best selling, most influential, iconic and legendary female musicians of all time.
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i would say when she has her first big moment in the next decade it's solidified
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Just because these amazing ladies did it first doesn't mean they did it better. Bey is honestly above few of them already
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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She has far surpassed them.
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Member Since: 8/29/2009
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Originally posted by Kool_Aid_King
Yeah she is.
The divas of the 80s and 90s are just that. The divas of the 00s and 10''s are here and Beyoncé is leading the pack.
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well, beyoncé and co never had an album selling as much as TEOM (2005) did (6,1 million via soundscan), or as much as COADF (2005) did in Europe (5,5m)
whatever you're saying... it's thru a biased view of convenience. The 80's and 90's divas are still here. And they are still enjoying success in fields, your fave doesn't even know exists.
in fact, nobody has ever been as much exposed of stealing other ppl's ideas and concepts as Beyoncé. She's like Elvis in that respect. Not one original bone in the body, but praised for her deviousness.
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Member Since: 1/5/2014
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Tina Turner was still scoring global hits and selling out stadiums 20+ years into her solo career. Does that make her part of the Big 4?
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Member Since: 4/20/2011
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Originally posted by dcode78
The answer will always be NO.
She's benefitting from the ones that came before her without creating anything.
And dead @ someone saying that the others have only "time" on Bey..well duh. And they also created the template for others to follow..
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They're so ignorant and they don't even know it.
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Originally posted by Superpower
Just because these amazing ladies did it first doesn't mean they did it better. Bey is honestly above few of them already
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Yet Janet & Whitney are legends while your fav isn't looool
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Member Since: 4/20/2011
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Originally posted by Tutankhamun
Tina Turner was still scoring global hits and selling out stadiums 20+ years into her solo career. Does that make her part of the Big 4?
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but apparently it makes Beyonce a bigger legend than all the female legends before her. 
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Member Since: 3/5/2014
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Originally posted by swissman
This is like saying that that Whitney, Janet, Mariah, Madonna, and Celine are not on the level of Bing Crosby because no one here was around in Bing's peak to see his:
- 40 #1 hits
- MASSIVE amount of top tens
- Number one albums
- Oscar (plus two other nominations)
- 4 of his songs won Academy Awards for Best Song (10 other nominations)
- Many successful films
- Being the #1 Box Office Star five years in a row (top ten in different 15 years)
- Singing one of the most iconic songs of all time, still used today
- A span of 50 years between his first and last charting singles
- Inspiring TONS of artists
- and more!
It was a different time, and most today would say they are bigger than Bing. Comparatively, they might not be on the same level, but for their respective times, they have reached the same heights and so are on the same level.
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Originally posted by swissman
Who else would you say is an "average American pop girl"?
Do they tour like Beyoncé does WW?
How does an "average American pop girl" get such above average tour stats?
Could it be she is not an "average American pop girl"?
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Beyonce has bigger tours then Michael Jackson it really don't mean anything to the general public she's a Icon and is well respected and a pioneer to so many females this generation but outside the US (touring aside) she's not as big as some American fans believe She's extremely successful globally but remove her touring stats she's on the same level as all the other popgirls in some places she's not even on par with them she's actually behind and not as successful.
People think been currently hugely successful and musically relevant makes you a legend you earn it way after your Peak
The only girl from this generation who is regarded as a legend is Britney spears
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Tutankhamun
Tina Turner was still scoring global hits and selling out stadiums 20+ years into her solo career. Does that make her part of the Big 4?
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Why ask this question when you know her sales stats don't even hold a candle to Katy Perry? 
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Member Since: 8/29/2009
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Originally posted by DanceAgain
Beyonce has bigger tours then Michael Jackson it really don't mean anything to the general public she's a Icon and is well respected and a pioneer to so many females this generation but outside the US (touring aside) she's not as big as some American fans believe She's extremely successful globally but remove her touring stats she's on the same level as all the other popgirls in some places she's not even on par with them she's actually behind and not as successful.
People think been currently hugely successful and musically relevant makes you a legend you earn it way after your Peak
The only girl from this generation who is regarded as a legend is Britney spears
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Beyoncé doesn't have bigger tours than MJ. U know, back in MJ's time, ticket prices were like $30... he played for 2-3 million people during all of his tours lol.
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Member Since: 2/9/2012
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If you disagree...your fav just isn't THAT great so you are just salty. Beyoncé will go down as one of the greatest performers and be remembered, talked about, celebrated, and loved just as MJ and Whitney and the others.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by stevyy
well, beyoncé and co never had an album selling as much as TEOM (2005) did (6,1 million via soundscan), or as much as COADF (2005) did in Europe (5,5m)
whatever you're saying... it's thru a biased view of convenience. The 80's and 90's divas are still here. And they are still enjoying success in fields, your fave doesn't even know exists.
in fact, nobody has ever been as much exposed of stealing other ppl's ideas and concepts as Beyoncé. She's like Elvis in that respect. Not one original bone in the body, but praised for her deviousness.
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You had to go back over 10 years to say they are still here though. I mean, they are, but are no where as successful as then.
And Beyoncé is not a devious stealer. Her prominent copies have been all from iconic pieces of work that are hardly hidden and stolen. And to compare her to Elvis is, I guess, to compare her to one of the most iconic and popular musicians of the 20th Century, did you do that on purpose? (Though Elvis taking black music and using it is way different than Beyoncé coping a Bob Fosse move).
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by DanceAgain
Beyonce has bigger tours then Michael Jackson it really don't mean anything to the general public she's a Icon and is well respected and a pioneer to so many females this generation but outside the US (touring aside) she's not as big as some American fans believe She's extremely successful globally but remove her touring stats she's on the same level as all the other popgirls in some places she's not even on par with them she's actually behind and not as successful.
People think been currently hugely successful and musically relevant makes you a legend you earn it way after your Peak
The only girl from this generation who is regarded as a legend is Britney spears
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Yes, her bigger tours than MJ don't mean much to the GP, but nothing we are using here usually does (stats, charts, influence, etc.) What the GP cares about is perception and respect. So then why is she touring so strongly WW if she is not successful there? Do people usually go to concerts for average pop stars no one cares about?
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Britney is not a legend. Britney is an icon. Neither of the two are more prestigious than the other, they just have different meanings. I do not know how many times I have to say this, it's like people can't find the dictionary.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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lol, some of you need to stop being so delusional.
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Member Since: 8/29/2009
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Originally posted by swissman
You had to go back over 10 years to say they are still here though. I mean, they are, but are no where as successful as then.
And Beyoncé is not a devious stealer. Her prominent copies have been all from iconic pieces of work that are hardly hidden and stolen. And to compare her to Elvis is, I guess, to compare her to one of the most iconic and popular musicians of the 20th Century, did you do that on purpose? (Though Elvis taking black music and using it is way different than Beyoncé coping a Bob Fosse move).
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nope, the comparison was on purpose bc beyoncé is as "black" as Elvis. 
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by stevyy
nope, the comparison was on purpose bc beyoncé is as "black" as Elvis. |
wow really cool and interesting shade.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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I think a lot of people are confusing Beyoncé matching every aspect of the successes these women have had, with being on their level for this generation. Every generation has their icons and legends, that doesn't mean that every generations' icons and legends were as successful as the last, or the ones to follow. So for this generation (the 2000s/2010s) there are few other artists as successful as Beyoncé.
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by stevyy
nope, the comparison was on purpose bc beyoncé is as "black" as Elvis. |
I see that you’ve set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public 
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