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Discussion: Beyonce: same level as Madonna, Mariah, Whitney, Janet?
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Originally posted by dirrtydiana
They can all sing and dance better than her. They were all also polarizing and controversial. They're each respectably more known and have/had a personality better than her.
The only right answer is stop overrating the **** out of this woman.
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No one listed can sing and dance better than her, though some can sing or dance better than her.
But since when has controversy and polarization meant that you are at a certain level? Not to mention the last 6 months when actual police officers were planning to boycott her.
The only right answer is stop underrating the **** out of this woman.
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Idk, she's always been kinda successful but she has never been the super mega successful monster everyone is listening to. She has a huge loyal cult fanbase, but the GP doesn't consume her at all, that's why shd doesn't have any hits right now.
The women in the OP had blockbuster eras, beyonce has never had a blockbuster era, idk she's not there yet. It doesn't feel like it.
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NO.
But she is getting there.
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Originally posted by swissman
How has Beyoncé not created anything? Where exactly have you been except for choosing to disregard the many creative endeavours she's done in the last ten years?
And Beyoncé hasn't created a template for others to follow? Basically every pop'n'b diva these days is influenced by Beyoncé or Destiny's Child in some way, in either staging, concept, or singing style. And at a time it was almost every pop'n'b diva being churned out as almost exact replicas of Beyoncé (thinks: Rihanna, Christina Milan, etc.) Extending farther than females, we have a whole list of people following the Beyoncé-suprise-release-template.
What is meant by saying they have time is that with time, your legend and your respect and reverence really grows. There's a huge difference in how the world perceives you between being in your heyday and being past it.
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She's always being called out for her "creativity".. She's not original and I wish yall will stop trying to elevate her status among actual legends who shaped music and popular culture.
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Her album sales have never been great and her singles don't perform well so I'd put her on the same level as Celine Dion
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Talent wise she destroys them in some areas tho, but success and impact wise, she's still far behind.
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I don't think she's there yet. These women have been there for so long. Let's wait some years.
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Originally posted by retromaury
Shes above Janet for sure tbh. As far as Madonna and Mariah not yet.
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Originally posted by dcode78
She's always being called out for her "creativity".. She's not original and I wish yall will stop trying to elevate her status among actual legends who shaped music and popular culture.
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Should we make a list of times that Mariah, Janet, Whitney and Madonna have referenced and/or used other pieces of pop culture or artist's work in theirs? It would be a long one.
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No, she has little to 0 impact when it comes to music, like innovating, setting trends etc
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Originally posted by AwardLegend
Lady Gaga will tell you herself that Beyonce inspired her.
So I'm not about to argue with her fan about her own inspiration. That's all for today.  |
I said: "I think she was just inspired by the fact that Beyonce was well known". I knew she was inspired. The question was in what way? Because in terms of personality, musically, visually she was not inspired by her. That's all.
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Beyonce is great. Yall need to stop downplaying her success it wont make your fav any bigger... BUTT she is not anywhere near these women. Maybe Celine but thats a stretch
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Originally posted by makeme
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It's amazing how blindly some react. Janet still has 4 albums that are certified classics and still are being referenced till this day! Even when their fave comes out with something, Janet is being mentioned or referenced. Give it some time! Damn..she'll get there but she's still far behind.
They are so anxious to put Bey in this legendary category. No publications or critics have said she's legendary. I just can't!
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Originally posted by swissman
Should we make a list of times that Mariah, Janet, Whitney and Madonna have referenced and/or used other pieces of pop culture or artist's work in theirs? It would be a long one.
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Beyoncé's would be longer. She has them beat in that.
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This is another example of the Hive hyping her up and making her seem way bigger than she is.
She doesn't have the impact,
She doesn't have the sales,
She doesn't have the talent,
To be on the level of these legends. She isn't one herself. No hate, just the truth.
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Originally posted by Trent W
Idk, she's always been kinda successful but she has never been the super mega successful monster everyone is listening to. She has a huge loyal cult fanbase, but the GP doesn't consume her at all, that's why shd doesn't have any hits right now.
The women in the OP had blockbuster eras, beyonce has never had a blockbuster era, idk she's not there yet. It doesn't feel like it.
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Where were you in the summer and fall of 2003 when Crazy in Love was number one for eight consequitve weeks and then swiftly followed up with Baby Boy's nine consecutive weeks at number one? Which other artist was dominating music in that moment?
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Originally posted by Trent W
Idk, she's always been kinda successful but she has never been the super mega successful monster everyone is listening to. She has a huge loyal cult fanbase, but the GP doesn't consume her at all, that's why shd doesn't have any hits right now.
The women in the OP had blockbuster eras, beyonce has never had a blockbuster era, idk she's not there yet. It doesn't feel like it.
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So you're telling us Dangerously In Love and I Am...Sasha Fierce never existed? Because those were blockbuster albums.
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Originally posted by butterflysupreme
This is another example of the Hive hyping her up and making her seem way bigger than she is.
She doesn't have the impact,
She doesn't have the sales,
She doesn't have the talent,
To be on the level of these legends. She isn't one herself. No hate, just the truth.
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LOOOOOOOLL
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Now come on guys..she does have talent. 
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