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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
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Can't take a joke? Reporting really? It's okay. I can take a WP. 
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Javan is just a mentally deficient troll who doesn't even live in America, and just wants to rile people up, and be the contrarian. No one should bother responding to him and his unfounded conspiracy theories.
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Can't wait for Hill to pick Warren as her VP! Though if she doesn't pick her for some reason, I'm personally leaning towards Xavier Beccera as my 2nd choice.
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As a matter of fact I have a condo in boca and I will mail my vote for the candidate I trust will not have me swimming in toxic water 
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Originally posted by Javan
As a matter of fact I have a condo in boca and I will mail my vote for the candidate I trust will not have me swimming in toxic water |
So not Bernie if for some reason he went then 
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016...ear-Waste-Dump
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I initially was angry about Bernie not wanting to concede until the convention, but now it's obvious that it really doesn't matter what he does, he's already becoming irrelevant, no one is talking about him, only Hillary and Trump. The only ones still focused on him are the Bernie or Busters that won't be voting for Hillary anyway. Most sane Bernie supporters have already accepted that he lost and are supporting Hillary, or warming up to it, at least. She's doing exceedingly well in the polls since she wrapped up the nomination, and the media has seemingly forgotten that Bernie exists. So regardless of when he concedes and endorses Hill, which he will, she's gonna be just fine, and the convention should give her another nice bump in the polls with Obama, Bernie, Bill, and Elizabeth all giving prime time speeches, and talking about Hillary, not even counting Hillary's own speech at the end of the convention.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by ShineOverShadow
I initially was angry about Bernie not wanting to concede until the convention, but now it's obvious that it really doesn't matter what he does, he's already becoming irrelevant, no one is talking about him, only Hillary and Trump. The only ones still focused on him are the Bernie or Busters that won't be voting for Hillary anyway. Most sane Bernie supporters have already accepted that he lost and are supporting Hillary, or warming up to it, at least. She's doing exceedingly well in the polls since she wrapped up the nomination, and the media has seemingly forgotten that Bernie exists. So regardless of when he concedes and endorses Hill, which he will, she's gonna be just fine, and the convention should give her another nice bump in the polls with Obama, Bernie, Bill, and Elizabeth all giving prime time speeches, and talking about Hillary, not even counting Hillary's own speech at the end of the convention.
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This. Everything about this is so accurate.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by ShineOverShadow
I initially was angry about Bernie not wanting to concede until the convention, but now it's obvious that it really doesn't matter what he does, he's already becoming irrelevant, no one is talking about him, only Hillary and Trump. The only ones still focused on him are the Bernie or Busters that won't be voting for Hillary anyway. Most sane Bernie supporters have already accepted that he lost and are supporting Hillary, or warming up to it, at least. She's doing exceedingly well in the polls since she wrapped up the nomination, and the media has seemingly forgotten that Bernie exists. So regardless of when he concedes and endorses Hill, which he will, she's gonna be just fine, and the convention should give her another nice bump in the polls with Obama, Bernie, Bill, and Elizabeth all giving prime time speeches, and talking about Hillary, not even counting Hillary's own speech at the end of the convention.
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Aloha! What have I missed?
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by ShineOverShadow
I initially was angry about Bernie not wanting to concede until the convention, but now it's obvious that it really doesn't matter what he does, he's already becoming irrelevant, no one is talking about him, only Hillary and Trump. The only ones still focused on him are the Bernie or Busters that won't be voting for Hillary anyway. Most sane Bernie supporters have already accepted that he lost and are supporting Hillary, or warming up to it, at least. She's doing exceedingly well in the polls since she wrapped up the nomination, and the media has seemingly forgotten that Bernie exists. So regardless of when he concedes and endorses Hill, which he will, she's gonna be just fine, and the convention should give her another nice bump in the polls with Obama, Bernie, Bill, and Elizabeth all giving prime time speeches, and talking about Hillary, not even counting Hillary's own speech at the end of the convention.
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Originally posted by MillionLights
This. Everything about this is so accurate.
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Yeah, but he is helping the party. There are things that he wants done, and he is forcing Hillary to adopt them which is great. (Getting rid of super delegates, closed primaries, caucuses, etc.)
His endorsement will be much needed. Polls show that if he can get his supporters behind her, she will lead Trump in all the battleground states (they're tied in 2 important ones) and national polls by double digits.
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Aloha! What have I missed?
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Hillary and Trump are at a war with Hillary winning in the polls by 5-10 points. She slammed him in a economy speech today. He responded with "Crooked Hillary" insults. She has millions of dollars in place for a 600+ staff and ads that are being played as we speak in 8 battleground states, while Trump is going broke. He only has 60 staffers, and just fired his campaign manager. He isn't running a single ad anywhere. Oh and Javan is still mad about the California primary.
Just another day in the political arena.
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I just finished watching her speech from earlier today, and she is really seeming to hit her stride as the campaign is getting further along. She's been delivering her best speeches of the campaign this month. I can't wait to hear what she cooks up for the convention next month.
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Originally posted by King Maxx
Yeah, but he is helping the party. There are things that he wants done, and he is forcing Hillary to adopt them which is great. (Getting rid of super delegates, closed primaries, caucuses, etc.)
His endorsement will be much needed. Polls show that if he can get his supporters behind her, she will lead Trump in all the battleground states (they're tied in 2 important ones) and national polls by double digits.
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Getting his endorsement is a sure thing. And he's hardly helping the party by doing those things, no one is going to care about changes in the primary process come 2020 or 2024, the only way he has helped the party is by bringing new voters into the political process. He's hurt the party more than he has helped it with all of his divisive rhetoric and insinuations that the Democratic Party is corrupt, which is false. He wants the Democratic Party molded in his image, which is laughable when he lost the nomination process, and only formally started identifying as a democrat last year. He'll get concessions from Hillary and the party in exchange for his endorsement, but then he's going to fade back into obscurity, getting nothing significant done in the Senate, as has been his MO for decades.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by ShineOverShadow
Getting his endorsement is a sure thing. And he's hardly helping the party by doing those things, no one is going to care about changes in the primary process come 2020 or 2024, the only way he has helped the party is by bringing new voters into the political process. He's hurt the party more than he has helped it with all of his divisive rhetoric and insinuations that the Democratic Party is corrupt, which is false. He wants the Democratic Party molded in his image, which is laughable when he lost the nomination process, and only formally started identifying as a democrat last year. He'll get concessions from Hillary and the party in exchange for his endorsement, but then he's going to fade back into obscurity, getting nothing significant done in the Senate, as has been his MO for decades.
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I disagree. There is a significant portion of the party that feels the parties have left them which is why people like Bernie and Trump were created in the first place.
Hillary understands which is why these things will change as well as taking money out of politics. It will not only secure the unity of the party, but may expand and excite it for down ballot tickets in non presidential election years.
She has already adopted his 50 state strategy and will most likely pick Warren as her VP. If she gets the progressives fully on board (it'll take her actions as president of course), we will have the country for a generation.
Hillary had the political machine to make it, but this may not be the case for establishment candidates in the future. If Hillary doesn't stop it now, people like Trump may become president one day.
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He also won the only state in America where POC are the majority  |
Only state? I didn't know California lost its statehood
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Originally posted by King Maxx
I disagree. There is a significant portion of the party that feels the parties have left them which is why people like Bernie and Trump were created in the first place.
Hillary understands which is why these things will change as well as taking money out of politics. It will not only secure the unity of the party, but may expand and excite it for down ballot tickets in non presidential election years.
She has already adopted his 50 state strategy and will most likely pick Warren as her VP. If she gets the progressives fully on board (it'll take her actions as president of course), we will have the country for a generation.
Hillary had the political machine to make it, but this may not be the case for establishment candidates in the future. If Hillary doesn't stop it now, people like Trump may become president one day.
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In the grand scheme of things, changing the primary process is not going to change much at all. This year is unique with people's affection for anti-establishment candidates, and there are no signs of it being a lasting phenomenon. We will have many "establishment" nominees in the general elections to come. There's nothing inherently wrong with "establishment" candidates, only with people's misinformed views of them.
Hillary has been in favor of getting money out of politics for years, and has been in favor of a constitutional amendment overturning Citizens United for years, her positions on these things have nothing to do with Bernie.
And he didn't invent the 50 state strategy by any means, and if Hillary picks a progressive running mate, it's not going to be because of Bernie, she's going to pick who she thinks will work best with her and be the best VP for America.
And regardless of what happens during Hillary's presidency, Democrats are not going to have this country for a generation. Yes, the demographics are trending very favorably for liberals, but there will obviously be a republican president again, maybe as soon as 2020 or 2024, people will inevitably want a change, politics always swings on a pendulum.
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Mahalo Maxx.
I can't with Trump being broke  I thought he knew how to manage money. Guess not 
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Trump, having rallies isn't everything. You need a thorough plan 
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Rubio has decided to enter the Senate race 
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Rubio has decided to enter the Senate race |
GOP was so desperate that they told the original candidate to drop out to leave room for Rubio
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Changes political discourse, pushes Hillary to the left, apparently he wants a pick on who her VP is. The longer he's in the race, the more power he will have during the convention |
Bernie will not get one say in who will be her Vice President pick. That is going to fall on Hillary and Hillary alone. If we're being honest, Hillary will concede to certain requests of Bernie's for her platform, but don't get it twisted, she is not adopting or caving in to every requests of his.
And actually, the longer Bernie remains in the race, the more leverage he loses. Plenty of surrogates and donors didn't wait for Bernie to concede, several have abandon ship to get behind the Democratic Party's presumptive nominee. From unions, US Senators, House Reps, and political tv surrogates, several have made the switch. The longer it takes to concede, the more leverage he loses because they'll think that they have already consolidated the level-headed and rational supporters of Bernie's. Fact, he won't get everything he wants from Hillary and anyone who thinks so are beyond naive.
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at Marco Rubio. I knew he wasn't going to walk away from his Senate seat without a fight. The fact that Murphy has done well in the polls, potentially flipping his Florida Senate seat blue, had the GOP running scared. They probably pressured him into running again. Besides, Marco still has political aspirations, he wasn't just gonna walk away willingly from a coveted seat like that. I never bought it for a minute.
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I think Hillary would be super nervous between now and the GOP convention.
If they did drop him and put in a Kasich she loses.
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