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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
Member Since: 8/18/2013
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The death penalty doesn't bother me. Her and I agree that it should only be used for heinous crimes.
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Member Since: 8/31/2012
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Originally posted by bleuwaffle
I find it hypocritical to punish death with... death. If it's so heinous, why do it back?  It doesn't make you the "moral" person. |
death is not always heinous.
for example, we slaughter animals for sustenance.
we boil and kill vegetables for nutrients
we cut down trees to create paper and build houses
death can be for the purpose of the greater good.
ridding the world of ISIS and like minded terrorists can only be good.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Radiance
The alternative would be life imprisonment though, and thats not really giving a 'second chance.'
Hillary only supports the death penalty in extreme cases - terrorists, serial killers etc, in which case a less severe sentence (parole etc.) would never be on the cards.
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I don't believe in lifetime imprisonment either. I think that if it's clear they've learned from their mistakes, they should be released. I also think people in jail should be put into programs that will teach them to become nicer people, and better to society, so that when they're free, they will have learned and bettered themselves.
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Member Since: 8/31/2012
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Originally posted by EveryoneLovesMe
I don't believe in lifetime imprisonment either. I think that if it's clear they've learned from their mistakes, they should be released. I also think people in jail should be put into programs that will teach them to be become nicer people, and better to society, so that when they're free, they will have learned and bettered themselves.
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so let me get this straight.
If you captured Osama Bin Laden
and in his 10 years of prison time, he becomes good enough at acting where he shows you remorse and acts very sorry for all of his crimes and promises never to blow up the world trade center again, you would let him walk out with a kiss on the cheek? 
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Member Since: 3/3/2011
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Originally posted by bleuwaffle
I find it hypocritical to punish death with... death. If it's so heinous, why do it back? It doesn't make you the "moral" person. |
So you wouldn't have killed Bin Ladin? Or dictators with war crimes on their hands?
I mean, if you support the killing of Bin Ladin then you're clearly not completely against state-sanctioned killing/death penalty. I see that as Hillary's stance - reserve it for the most heinous of crimes.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Senator Elizabeth Warren will soon endorse presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton and, while not currently interested in serving as her running mate, has not ruled it out, several sources close to Warren told Reuters.
Advisers to Warren, a fiery critic of Wall Street and a popular figure among progressive Democrats, have been in close contact with Clinton's campaign team and the conversations have increased in frequency in recent weeks, the sources said.
An endorsement of Clinton could come within a week or two, one of the sources said.
Warren has stayed neutral in the Democratic primary race, notably remaining the only woman senator not throwing her support behind the first woman presidential nominee of a major political party.
Were she to join the Clinton ticket, she could help energize progressives and win over supporters of Clinton's rival Bernie Sanders, a democratic socialist U.S. senator from Vermont. Sanders' calls for reining in Wall Street and breaking up big banks dovetail with Warren's views.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKCN0YU2R8
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Member Since: 3/22/2012
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legend and future VP falling in LINE 
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Member Since: 7/4/2007
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Originally posted by EveryoneLovesMe
I don't believe in lifetime imprisonment either. I think that if it's clear they've learned from their mistakes, they should be released. I also think people in jail should be put into programs that will teach them to become nicer people, and better to society, so that when they're free, they will have learned and bettered themselves.
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That sounds very youthful and dewy-eyed.
Plus, if you "don't believe" in either the death penalty or lifetime imprisonment, what about people who show zero remorse and seem to have every intention of going on murder sprees if they left prison?
What do you wanna do then?
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Member Since: 6/28/2010
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Originally posted by Skywalker
Senator Elizabeth Warren will soon endorse presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton and, while not currently interested in serving as her running mate, has not ruled it out, several sources close to Warren told Reuters.
Advisers to Warren, a fiery critic of Wall Street and a popular figure among progressive Democrats, have been in close contact with Clinton's campaign team and the conversations have increased in frequency in recent weeks, the sources said.
An endorsement of Clinton could come within a week or two, one of the sources said.
Warren has stayed neutral in the Democratic primary race, notably remaining the only woman senator not throwing her support behind the first woman presidential nominee of a major political party.
Were she to join the Clinton ticket, she could help energize progressives and win over supporters of Clinton's rival Bernie Sanders, a democratic socialist U.S. senator from Vermont. Sanders' calls for reining in Wall Street and breaking up big banks dovetail with Warren's views.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKCN0YU2R8 |
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Member Since: 11/26/2010
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
death is not always heinous.
for example, we slaughter animals for sustenance.
we boil and kill vegetables for nutrients
we cut down trees to create paper and build houses
death can be for the purpose of the greater good.
ridding the world of ISIS and like minded terrorists can only be good.
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Are you seriously equating vegetables with human life? 
Sentient death is by definition heinous.
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Originally posted by Radiance
So you wouldn't have killed Bin Ladin? Or dictators with war crimes on their hands?
I mean, if you support the killing of Bin Ladin then you're clearly not completely against state-sanctioned killing/death penalty. I see that as Hillary's stance - reserve it for the most heinous of crimes.
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I wouldn't. Life imprisonment is arguably harsher. 
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Originally posted by EveryoneLovesMe
I don't believe in lifetime imprisonment either. I think that if it's clear they've learned from their mistakes, they should be released. I also think people in jail should be put into programs that will teach them to become nicer people, and better to society, so that when they're free, they will have learned and bettered themselves.
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This perfect world doesn't exist though, and those that take someone's life away should face severe punishment. I just don't think that punishment should be reciprocated death.
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Member Since: 8/31/2012
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Originally posted by bleuwaffle
Are you seriously equating vegetables with human life?
Sentient death is by definition heinous.
I wouldn't. Life imprisonment is arguably harsher. |
so i guess you would have let Hitler live.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
so let me get this straight.
If you captured Osama Bin Laden
and in his 10 years of prison time, he becomes good enough at acting where he shows you remorse and acts very sorry for all of his crimes and promises never to blow up the world trade center again, you would let him walk out with a kiss on the cheek? |
If he was acting, you'd be able to tell. But if he learned from his mistakes and sincerely meant it, and promised not to cause any violence in the future, I think he should be let free.
Yes he's done some really awful things with his life, but remember that he's human too. If Osama was loved in his life, he wouldn't have been so hateful and done those really awful things, In the same way that if Hitler was loved in his life, he never would've been so hateful and done those really awful things. Everyone's a good person in their heart, if they decided to cause harm on another person (which is evil and is the worst thing you could ever do) something went wrong in their lives, instead of placing anger on that person and making it worse, try helping the person into making postive choices.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Yeah the death penalty is a non issue for me. We got bigger fish to fry.
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Member Since: 6/29/2012
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Originally posted by EveryoneLovesMe
If he was acting, you'd be able to tell. But if he learned from his mistakes and sincerely meant it, and promised not to cause any violence in the future, I think he should be let free.
Yes he's done some really awful things with his life, but remember that he's human too. If Osama was loved in his life, he wouldn't have been so hateful and done those really awful things, In the same way that Hilter just needed to be loved, and if he was he never would've done those really awful things. Everyone's a good person in their heart, if they decided to cause harm on another person (which is evil and is the worst thing you could ever do) something went wrong in their lives, instead of placing anger on that person and making it worse, try helping the person into making postive choices.
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All of this is just.....
I have no sympathy for monsters.
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Member Since: 11/26/2010
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
so i guess you would have let Hitler live.
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I would have let him rot to death in prison, yes.
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Member Since: 3/22/2012
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... aaaand meanwhile in reality, psychology tells us that some people can't be fully rehabilitated and kill for reasons that can not be fixed. Say what you want about the death penalty, but freedom is not an option in some cases.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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I love how we all have different viewpoints on this. Interesting.
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by bleuwaffle
Sentient death is by definition heinous.
I wouldn't. Life imprisonment is arguably harsher. |
So then why do you support life imprisonment knowing the psychological and even physical havoc it can wreak on the human mind and body?
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Member Since: 11/26/2010
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Originally posted by Retro
... aaaand meanwhile in reality, psychology tells us that some people can't be fully rehabilitated and kill for reasons that can not be fixed. Say what you want about the death penalty, but freedom is not an option in some cases.
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I agree with this. It's naive to think everyone is good at heart and capable of rehabilitation.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Warren's endorsement is too little too late. She done destroyed Bernie without her help!
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