[Retro]

Originally posted by Bloo

I don't know if this has been posted... But, Jill Stein interviewed with The Young Turks today.

Desperate and salty move by a ridiculously biased group.

[LuLuDrops]

73% of GOP in Cali voted for Trump despite him being the only candidate.

Romney who is not hated as much got 37% and with 1 million more voters this time and protest votes against Trump (one person wrote in Hillary C on the Republican ballot) Trump will get lower 30s

Let's hope that reverberates in other Latino hotspots.

[Bloo]

Originally posted by RatedG²

Ninja'd me

Always will, boo.

[Retro]

So let's talk Senate real quick.

So far, it looks like Democrats will win and turn the seats currently held by Republicans Mark Kirk and Ron Johnson. It doesn't look like any Democrat is in danger.

We also have a good chance of taking the seats currently held by Rubio and Kelly Ayotte. But even if we do, that's only four - that still gives us only 50 liberals when counting independents who caucus as (or, ahem, run as) Democrats.

As far as safety of seats, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Arizona are the next lowest for the GOP (the latter of those is McCain's seat). Chuck Grassley is also not perfectly safe, but it's a steep uphill climb to take him out - he won reelection in 2010 with 64.35% of the vote. I just signed up to volunteer with Patty Judge, the Democrat who won the primary.

Where can we snatch that last seat? Could we take McCain's, as weak as he is right now?

[bleuwaffle]

I've liked Stein better than Bernie for a couple of months now tbh. I hope they let her and Johnson join the GE debates so they can build some real momentum behind their campaigns. The two party system is outdated.

[Bloo]

So, apparently TYT is trying to get Gary Johnson and Jill Stein to debate on TYT. Stein has already agreed to it and shook on it, now they just need Johnson to jump on board.

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by bleuwaffle

I've liked Stein better than Bernie for a couple of months now tbh. I hope they let her and Johnson join the debate.

Like the actual presidential debates? Don't they have to cross a certain threshold in polls?

If so then I think Gary Johnson may actually do it if he keeps up his "10%" marks. Not so sure about Stein

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by Bloo

So, apparently TYT is trying to get Gary Johnson and Jill Stein to debate on TYT. Stein has already agreed to it and shook on it, now they just need Johnson to jump on board.

I actually hope Johnson blows up. He'll get rid of Trump

[Retro]

Originally posted by bleuwaffle

I've liked Stein better than Bernie for a couple of months now tbh. I hope they let her and Johnson join the debate.

Candidates are only allowed to join the general election debates if they poll at or above 15%. Jill will not, and it's likely Johnson will not either - although I think one poll had him at 11, it's generally agreed that he'll drop from here.

[jpow]

Originally posted by RatedG²

Like the actual presidential debates? Don't they have to cross a certain threshold in polls?

If so then I think Gary Johnson may actually do it if he keeps up his "10%" marks. Not so sure about Stein

I believe it's a 15% national threshold to get on the debates.

[retromaury]

i want to volunteer for the clinton campaign but i just moved to Maryland which is a pretty solid blue state, what can i do to help her campaign? any recommendations?

[bleuwaffle]

The 15% threshold is unfair and clearly designed to have third parties fail. Where was this threshold when there were 16 Republican candidates?

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by jpow

I believe it's a 15% national threshold to get on the debates.

Yikes. Well he has room to grow. In almost every poll of Clinton v Trump there's 20% of the vote that is undecided. He needs to grab a lot but it's not impossible I suppose lol

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by bleuwaffle

The 15% threshold is unfair and clearly designed to have third parties fail. Where was this threshold when there were 16 Republican candidates?

Another reason why two parties will rule for centuries to come in America .

For the primaries it was like 5% or something I think

[Icarus]

Originally posted by RatedG²

I actually hope Johnson blows up. He'll get rid of Trump all of Clinton's possible Bernie supporters

Fixed

[Retro]

Originally posted by RatedG²

Another reason why two parties will rule for centuries to come in America .

This is honestly just a natural and rather unavoidable progression of American political systems.

It would be great if we could stop political polarization but evidence suggests we can't.

[Retro]

Originally posted by bleuwaffle

The 15% threshold is unfair and clearly designed to have third parties fail. Where was this threshold when there were 16 Republican candidates?

Primary debates are governed by the national committees of each party and are subject to different rules.

[Skywalker]

Well, it could change but it would need major constitutional overhauls.

[Retro]

Originally posted by Skywalker

Well, it could change but it would need major constitutional overhauls.

I don't know about that. Not when this perpetual "us vs. them, liberal vs. conservative, x vs y" mindset pervades every level of politics.

The polarization itself completely prevents the possibility of Constitutional amendments unless they're overwhelmingly favored by voters.

[Skywalker]

Originally posted by Retro

I don't know about that. Not when this perpetual "us vs. them, liberal vs. conservative, x vs y" mindset pervades every level of politics.

The polarization itself completely prevents the possibility of Constitutional amendments unless they're overwhelmingly favored by voters.

True. You can even see this in countries that have room for third parties. I think it would help fringe people if they understood that the Democrats and Republicans aren't really one huge group - they're more like a coalition of a bunch of different political causes that unite for power. The progressives, the blue dogs, the labor unions. Republicans have their business elite, the fundamentalist Christian sect, the Freedom caucus, the Tea Party, etc.