[Веyoncé]

Originally posted by MaryJaneHolland

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[Opacho]

Originally posted by AustrianTilapia

You guys really expect Gaga to only do half of ARTPOP? Like, Ariana Grande numbers?
That would be pretty terrible for someone of her magnitude and at this point in her career.

2 or 3 years ago I would have agreed with this but not today. Have you been blind to what's been going on in the industry for the last couple of years? Gaga's not a streaming force and streaming has taken over. Only a handful of artists still bring in big numbers and Gaga's sadly not one of them. To expect anything over 200K (without the use of gimmicks like a Samsung deal for example etc.) is to be delusional.

In order to make her next era feel big she needs to (unfortunately) score another #1 single
And sell over 150K+ first week. Receive generally positive feedback and somehow boost her streaming power. Don't expect TF+TFM/BTW numbers from her. Not even half of that.

[AustrianTilapia]

Originally posted by Summer Boy

I love the bells in the intro, her voice in the song, the verses are life (the way she says hurricane ) the chorus is great (minus the "The Quee-queen-queen' part), the bridge is her best bridge (the lyrics are among her best) and the outro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>


That's what I LOVE about this song, one of her 15 best.

I hate the production and the outro is not the tea in my opinion.
And I always cackle when she sings 'Rhomp-a-bump-a'
Just overall bad.

[Tornado]

Gaga didn't lose much of her fanbase

BTW didn't sell 800k+ because of Gaga's huge fanbase. It sold that much, because it was a cultural event.

On the other hand ARTPOP sold almost as much as PRISM which had smashes and was Katy's biggest opening week (because GP bought it). However, GP wasn't that interested in ARTPOP, but Gaga's big fanbase compensated. That's why PRISM - 280k AP - 260k

So basically more of the GP bought PRISM first week than they did ARTPOP, but Gaga's fanbase is bigger.

Declining sales doesn't really count when we're talking about first week sales of huge artists.

Gaga's first week is going to exceed 200k with ease.

Imagine if the lead single really clicks with the GP. GP + fanbase, Gaga will easily top ARTPOP's opening.

Y'all are still forgetting how much was against Gaga during ARTPOP. Also the promo schedule was ****. She had only 1 appearance on SNL during her first week, and did that artRAVE thing And from September to November Gaga didn't do anything in the USA promo wise. And fired Troy 2 weeks before the album release.


Good music + Good promo (not saying more necessarily, but better promo) + GP + big fanbase >>>>> Big fanbase, music that didn't click with GP, bad promo schedule, messy Gaga

[Dr.Cake]

Originally posted by REALiTi

Slightly. Especially since Gaga isn't a streaming force.

Personally, I see LG5 pulling 120k-140k pure sales, then 150k-160k with SPS. She definitely isn't pulling ARTPOP numbers in 2016. And if the album is to be a success, I don't see it's success living in the first week, but having better longevity than ARTPOP (and much more acclaim) thus making it feeling bigger than ARTPOP was as there'll be a positive attitude around it.

Also, a smash lead doesn't equate to higher album sales. I have a feeling y'all need to lower your success expectations for this era.

She did 130k opening with a damn Jazz record not even two years ago and you expect her to do the same with her next anticipated pop record?

The first week sales of a new record usually reflect the turnout of the previous era, which isn't a happy case here. Even so, I believe Gaga's case is a little bit different. She successfully re-branded herself as a talented vocalist and a critics darling and managed to step out of the EDM zone.

I'm optimist and I'll say that these tribute performances, the Oscar performances, the critical acclaims, the national anthem performance, C2C and almost everything she's been doing for the past 2 years will help her somehow. I think there's more people interested in her future work now than before ARTPOP.

And yes, of course a successful single is going to reflect on the album's first week numbers, especially if the single is released at least 1-2 months prior of the album and has an album pre-order attached to it. The bigger the first single, the more people will talk about her comeback, the bigger the first week sales.

I might be a bit optimistic, but you thinking she'll pull 120k first week when Ariana did that with a underperforming lead single which barely passed 500k is beyond me

[Opacho]

Some of you guys always do this. Expect UNREALISTIC things from her and then suffer huge meltdowns when it doesn't happen. You've no one to blame but yourselves.

[Веyoncé]

Without streaming, she cant debut on top20 let alone top10. Look how Beyonce is doing despite her sales.

[Tornado]

what I meant to say is that Gaga's solid fanbase will compensate for the first week sales and they may even go up, it's more likely to struggle in the long run, just like how all other albums besides 25 and 1989 are.

For example: Drake, Beyonce - big fanbases + GP interest - huge first weeks - then in the end they'll end up with 3M WW at best which is less than their previous albums and that's because of the sales decline.

But first weeks of huge artists don't suffer that much from the sales decline.

[Tornado]

Originally posted by Opacho

Some of you guys always do this. Expect UNREALISTIC things from her and then suffer huge meltdowns when it doesn't happen. You've no one to blame but yourselves.

I expect huge things, however I have a feeling that people like you are having the meltdowns of other's big expectations cuz I surely won't have a meltdown even tho I am not like " Aww I'll be humble, cuz what if Gaga flops again ooh let's be realistic" well realistic you are not, because if Cheek 2 Cheek could sell 130k (in before "it's cuz of Tony").

Rihanna sold 100k and she never sells more than Gaga and that's with her giving away 1M albums Some people on GGD act the same That won't save u from a meltdown sis.


if you think Gaga is doing 150k, then you have to be realistic.

ARTPOP's 260k are result of Gaga being a punch bag at the time + the music not being trendy + her having only 150M AI overall throughout the whole ARTPOP era, even tho other's lead singles alone had 200M Ai, her promo being a mess, having no manager and so on.

They are not "good" for Gaga. For today's market ? Maybe. And arent we expecting good numbers from her ? Why would u expect bad numbers ? Cuz of ARTPOP ? Well that was in 2013.

We don't even know what people's new perception of Gaga is since ARTPOP was under the radar for like 70% of the GP And Gaga had more exposure this February than she had during the whole ARTPOP era (in the US). And it was all positive for the most part.

[Opacho]

Originally posted by Dr.Cake

And yes, of course a successful single is going to reflect on the album's first week numbers, especially if the single is released at least 1-2 months prior of the album and has an album pre-order attached to it. The bigger the first single, the more people will talk about her comeback, the bigger the first week sales.

And this is where the genre of her next single/album comes to play. Do you really thing that the audience she's managed to capture with all of those tribute performances, CTC, and generally acting more classy is going to give her album a try even if her single is a try-hard dance pop mess. The same people who keep commenting on her youtube videos of said performances how she's finally ditched her pop persona and how she's showing her true colors by not singing pop crap? Really? (this is not aimed at you Dr. Cake, but some people in this base)

It all depends on her first single unfortunately and if it's dance she's going to flop. Bookmark this.

[ziam]

me after reading opinions of the newbies on gaga's music

[Opacho]

Originally posted by Tornado

I expect huge things, however I have a feeling that people like you are having the meltdowns of other's big expectations cuz I surely won't have a meltdown even tho I am not like " Aww I'll be humble, cuz what if Gaga flops again ooh let's be realistic" well realistic you are not, because if Cheek 2 Cheek could sell 130k (in before "it's cuz of Tony").

Rihanna sold 100k and she never sells more than Gaga and that's with her giving away 1M albums Some people on GGD act the same That won't save u from a meltdown sis.


if you think Gaga is doing 150k, then you have to be realistic.

ARTPOP's 260k are result of Gaga being a punch bag at the time + the music not being trendy + her having only 150M AI overall throughout the whole ARTPOP era, even tho other's lead singles alone had 200M Ai, her promo being a mess, having no manager and so on.

They are not "good" for Gaga. For today's market ? Maybe. And arent we expecting good numbers from her ? Why would u expect bad numbers ? Cuz of ARTPOP ? Well that was in 2013.

We don't even know what people's new perception of Gaga is since ARTPOP was under the radar for like 70% of the GP And Gaga had more exposure this February than she had during the whole ARTPOP era (in the US). And it was all positive for the most part.

You acting as if you know any of us with your 30 posts. I literally don't care about sales or anything other than the music not being good enough. I want to like this album. And I'm sure most of us in this base don't care about her sales. It's all just banter and jokes. However we are discussing her sales now and I'm giving my realistic opinion. But stay delusional I guess.

[Brunette Ambition]

these ****ing discussions are going on my nerves.

[Dr.Cake]

Originally posted by Opacho

And this is where the genre of her next single/album comes to play. Do you really thing that the audience she's managed to capture with all of those tribute performances, CTC, and generally acting more classy is going to give her album a try even if her single is a try-hard dance pop mess. The same people who keep commenting on her youtube videos of said performances how she's finally ditched her pop persona and how she's showing her true colors by not singing pop crap? Really? (this is not aimed at you Dr. Cake, but some people in this base)

It all depends on her first single unfortunately and if it's dance she's going to flop. Bookmark this.

What are your assumptions based on?
Her new single isn't going to be dance and even if it is, that doesn't make it less likely to smash.

The one thing wrong with a lot of people in here is their intention to write down the commercial success of a song solely based on its genre. And why exactly dance music?

No one is capable of predicting if a pure dance or pop song will click with the general public or not. It's just a matter of a lot of factors and also a matter of how catchy the song is.

Just look at the current top position on iTunes:
- JT leading with 40% with a generic GP friendly pop single, something Bruno would have released years ago.
- Pink is at #3 with the same tired pop/rock sound
- The Chainsmokers are at #4 with a dance/EDM song
- Fifth Harmony are at #7 with a dance song
- Calvin Harris is at #8 with a dance song

You can't just simply imply that her next single is going to flop just because it will be a dance record

[PMM]

Originally posted by Opacho

You acting as if you know any of us with your 30 posts. I literally don't care about sales or anything other than the music not being good enough. I want to like this album. And I'm sure most of us in this base don't care about her sales. It's all just banter and jokes. However we are discussing her sales now and I'm giving my realistic opinion. But stay delusional I guess.

[IMadeYouReadThis]

She looks pretty happy in this pic in a way that's not pretending to be happy and she looks cute af.. Me like this. I can feel LG5 approaching at a slooooooooow pace

Also, sorry for the giant photo I still don't get some aspects of posting on ATRL

[Tornado]

Try hard dance pop mess. Why are we even talking about that ?

There is no such thing as "if it's dance" cuz it's not going to be isn't it clear already ?

Btw @opacho I am not trying to drag you sis, I am just discussing The most dance on LG5 will be Disco Funk/Funk Disco etc.

Uptown Funk might be "funkish song" but it's still dance

[Brunette Ambition]

can't we just rate our favorite wigs of hers per album era.

ever since we posted essays when she was announced for AHS how the era will clearly go and nothing happened I'm just OVER it.

[Summer Boy]

lol who cares if she sells 120k or 200k ? We'll see when the album is released

[IMadeYouReadThis]

Originally posted by Brunette Ambition

can't we just rate our favorite wigs of hers per album era.

ever since we posted essays when she was announced for AHS how the era will clearly go and nothing happened I'm just OVER it.

This is queen Sabrina right? LEGEND.