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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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The Daily Beast is hardly reliable. They're the left wing DrudgeReport lol
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Originally posted by Giselle
Yeah... I don't care  EYE still would love to have someone outside of government be VP. There are plenty of people who are "capable" without serving in elected office. Again, the chances of something happening to Hillary are slim and VP is an often useless position but is unique in the sense that it can become what you make of it. An NGO leader would be perfect. A business person could also be nice. And like... what are you seeking to gain by typing these paragraphs? That's my opinion and it isn't changing. You always seem to have a hard time understanding that people don't always agree with you
#SandbergOverBernie #GatesOverBernie |
I kinda figured you don't care, you're definitely entitled to support whoever you want as VP, and I am not having a hard time understanding you disagree with me.  I, along with Secretary Clinton and President Obama just happen to agree that the "small" chances of something happening to a president doesn't mean they shouldn't be picking a totally capable leader who'd be ready on day one to handle the presidency in case anything happens. Who would be a good leader is up for interpretation and you're free to interpret that to cover businesspersons as well. But the "chances of something happening to Hillary are slim" doesn't trump the fact that anything could happen any day, and that would require someone who has made consequential decisions in the past in regards to wars, foreign affairs, veteran's issues, taxation issues, poverty, infrastructure, etc. not almost exclusively business, to be a viable replacement to the president.
As for my paragraphs, I started my entire point on Hillary picking a businessperson as VP as a general response to the debate that was occurring without even addressing you, you're the one who initiated a conversation with me by retyping a statement of mine and responding to it. I mean, I could respond with slogan hashtags, a simple "I don't care", and whatnot, but I decided to lay out my opinion (which is definitely open to constant change as debates go on, I don't fall behind the "that's my opinion and it isn't changing" in political conversations) in order to talk further about the subject and explain my stance on businesspersons potentially becoming presidents, as well as my view (along with Hillary's/Barrack's) about how despite the chances of a VP making it to the presidency are quite small, it's important to pick a very capable leader who can do it right on day one.
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Businessmen who became presidents and their achievements:
George H.W. Bush - invaded Panama, Added $1,042,000,000,000 to the U.S. debt, Aided the Guatemala military’s genocide of its Mayan population, appointed Clarence Thomas to Supreme Court, failed to prevent the invasion of Kuwait, dirty campaign tricks (e.g. Willy Horton), failed to enact enabling legislation for the Basel Convention, etc.
Jimmy Carter - horrible handling of the Iranian situation, allowed continued slaughter in East Timor, supported dictators with human rights abuses, etc.
Harry Truman - supported and funded the return of Vietnam to France after World War II, overthrow of democratically elected government of Syria in 1949 to build the Trans-Arabian Pipeline, dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki non-combatants to terrorize Japan into surrender, overthrow of democratically elected Jacobo Arbenz in in Guatemala, etc.
George W. Bush - Sub-prime mortgage / Collateralized Debt Obligation crisis, Paulson plan to buy bad debt from Wall St (Cash for Trash) instead of equity investments, The Iraq War, waging the war so incompetently that it will cost the US $3 trillion, poor job creation, Ignored Supreme Court’s Massachusetts v. EPA order to enforce the Clean Air Act, rekindled deficit spending through tax cuts and spending increases, etc. (there's way more into this one)
Ronald Reagan - massive military defense spending increases, Iran-Contra, Grenada, El Salvador terror, Angola, mining of harbors in Nicaragua, committed treason, unbalanced the budget drastically, allowing Israel's invasion of Lebanon, etc.
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Nah, Hillary knows best not to allow somebody near the White House who could do anything like that if anything happens to her. History looks very bad for businessmen presidents and Hillary herself admitted the most important thing is to pick somebody whom she absolutely believe can be president.
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Anyway, I can't wait to see what her first 100 days are like 
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Harry S Truman and Ronald Reagan are among the best presidents of all time! George H W Bush was pretty good too tbh!
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I wish his campaign well, but, it's just... 
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The internet is not responding well to Bernie's demands for a recount in Kentucky. The general consensus is that he basically claims voter fraud or some other issue whenever he loses, but doesn't say a peep when he wins.
Good. 
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Harry S Truman and Ronald Reagan are among the best presidents of all time! George H W Bush was pretty good too tbh!
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I don't know much about Truman's presidency. But Ronald Reagan was overrated, and only good for Republicans/conservatives. A Democrat/liberal would never say that!
And both Bushes are trash especially Sr. And that one term proved this claim.
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Originally posted by vuelve88
The internet is not responding well to Bernie's demands for a recount in Kentucky. The general consensus is that he basically claims voter fraud or some other issue whenever he loses, but doesn't say a peep when he wins.
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It's the truth though... If Hillary wins, then her campaign was on the grounds directly rigging the system.
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Bernie deserves backlash for the Kentucky re-count. Wasting money to maybe win one or two more delegates.
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Reagan was a good speaker and uniter. He brought the country together during a difficult time much like FDR did (which is why he was elected for 4 terms), but as far as policies and plans went, it was very short term accomplishments, and the 90s, 00s, and 10s, and shows the failures of his presidency.
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It's the truth though... If Hillary wins, then her campaign was on the grounds directly rigging the system. |
Yup. It makes him seem like a sore loser.
It's okay to continue in the primary battle, but he's now basically trying to victimize himself and whine his way into Democratic nomination.
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Originally posted by King Maxx
I don't know much about Truman's presidency. But Ronald Reagan was overrated, and only good for Republicans/conservatives. A Democrat/liberal would never say that!
And both Bushes are trash especially Sr. And that one term proved this claim.
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Reagan being a great president is basically propaganda.
He made terrible court and executive appointments, didn't handle the economy well, had poor domestic accomplishments, was critically one of the least intelligent presidents in history according to many scientific rankings, etc.
Analysts agree he ranked in top 3 among presidents with best luck on their side, and that's what initiated all of the propaganda.
Both Bushes were bad. Truman is the only outlier when it comes to businesspersons, but he he was Senator AND VP. 
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1)Reagan was a serial tax raiser.
2)Reagan nearly tripled the federal budget deficit.
3)Unemployment soared after Reagan’s 1981 tax cuts.
4)Reagan grew the size of the federal government tremendously.
5). Reagan did little to fight a woman’s right to choose.
6)Reagan illegally funneled weapons to Iran.
7)Reagan helped create the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden.
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Just a few bad things he did during his term. Reagonomics was a disaster. He did little to help AA communities, and his lack of handling the AIDS crisis was one of the worst in history.
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
I wish his campaign well,:
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why? 
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Originally posted by Aden
Bernie deserves backlash for the Kentucky re-count. Wasting money to maybe win one or two more delegates.
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#BernieMath
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Originally posted by Reza
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It's sarcastic, as in "lol good luck"
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Harry S Truman and Ronald Reagan are among the best presidents of all time! George H W Bush was pretty good too tbh!
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I was about to drag until I realized you meant Senior.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by Dessy Fenix
I was about to drag until I realized you meant Senior.
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He still lied tho.
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