[Andres]

You gave me a great idea.

I'll make a sign that says "Hillary, the first progressive to take money from the BUSHS!"

a kii, a cackle, thanks

[Retro]

Originally posted by Vision

I don't understand why this suddenly became a battle of "who's more liberal" (I know it came up between Bernie/Hillary in one of the debates) - but it's not like that's actually an achievement? Sometimes it's good to be moderate on some issues.

I personally see myself as a moderate liberal. I don't think it's black and white, I think there's varying degrees and sections of these labels. From my somewhat limited U.S political knowledge, I'd say that both Bernie and Hillary can fall into the liberal category, although Bernie is probably more liberal and Hillary is more moderate.

But I don't see a problem with that, if she or her supporters want to call her liberal, that fits, if they want to call her moderate, that fits too.

Some people like to pretend she's actually centrist or moderate, or "as bad as a Republican" or whatever, but the facts show she's on the much more liberal end of the spectrum. But the facts don't play into the Bernie Bro narrative that he's the only TRUE PROGRESSIVE in the Democratic race.

[Retro]

Originally posted by Andres

You gave me a great idea.

I'll make a sign that says "Hillary, the first progressive to take money from the BUSHS!"

a kii, a cackle, thanks

Kii and cackle that will be, that proof that you're not willing to even attempt to analyze the situation critically. Do it!

[Andres]

voting record? here is her voting record.
she's supported TERRIBLE bills in the senate but keep screaming progressive, I'll keep screaming regressive.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/up...ders.html?_r=0

[Mike91]

Originally posted by RatedG²

I'd rather have Sanders. I just don't think she's ready for the presidency.

I'd rather have him too, but I just feel like it won't happen at this point.

[Bloo]

Originally posted by Mike91

He just attacked her at a rally and says he'd love to beat an all woman ticket.

Woo lord, the woman are going to show up at the polls this November.

YEEESSSSSS!!!!! Please do this. Hillary has already said that she is not intimidated or apprehensive of running an all-woman ticket, and I hope this harassment by Trump pushes her to going for Warren. Just imagine 2008 Hillary (in terms of aggression) and Warren going against Trump and the poor soul that he chooses to be his VP.

Originally posted by Adonis

Have to try to get the best rather than settle for the rest.

In my opinion, Hillary was the best candidate from the start of this race.

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by Mike91

I'd rather have him too, but I just feel like it won't happen at this point.

I actually can see it happening. At least based on Sanders' most recent interview for CNN about him not totally ruling out he'd accept it if he were offered it. I hope she strongly considers it

Originally posted by Andres

voting record? here is her voting record.
she's supported TERRIBLE bills in the senate but keep screaming progressive, I'll keep screaming regressive.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/up...ders.html?_r=0

The sources I provided take into account ALL of her votes, sponsored bills, and rhetoric and still found her to be a hardcore liberal (just about the same as Warren). You can cherry pick a few bills here and there but if you look at the overall picture she's definitely a liberal

[Retro]

Originally posted by Andres

voting record? here is her voting record.
she's supported TERRIBLE bills in the senate but keep screaming progressive, I'll keep screaming regressive.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/up...ders.html?_r=0

You're selectively comparing her to the most left person in Senate history but still not addressing any of the links RatedG shared? Hm, maybe this is more proof you really don't get it!

[Bloo]

Originally posted by Andres

voting record? here is her voting record.
she's supported TERRIBLE bills in the senate but keep screaming progressive, I'll keep screaming regressive.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/up...ders.html?_r=0

Why do you always post awful sources? An opinion piece is not her voting record.

Here's her actual record, where she voted 93% identically to Bernie Sanders during her time as Senator:
https://www.congress.gov/member/hillary-clinton/C001041

[@michael]

Originally posted by Retro

You're selectively comparing her to the most left person in Senate history but still not addressing any of the links RatedG shared? Hm, maybe this is more proof you really don't get it!

He really doesn't!

[Andres]

Originally posted by Retro

You're selectively comparing her to the most left person in Senate history but still not addressing any of the links RatedG shared? Hm, maybe this is more proof you really don't get it!

That "most left" person in the Senate is running for President and has a crazy energized group of people behind him. Why wouldn't I compare her to him?

Bernie is where the democratic party is headed so yes the votes that differentiate them matter the MOST.

[@michael]

Originally posted by Retro

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...twitter-222923

GO IN, LIZ. This is why I want her as veep!

This is what I was saying the other day about Warren being the attack dog Hillary needs. She pulls no punches Fearless queen!

[Bloo]

Originally posted by Andres

That "most left" person in the Senate is running for President and has a crazy energized group of people behind him. Why wouldn't I compare her to him?

Because Hillary's opponent is Donald Trump.

Bernie is where the democratic party is headed so yes the votes that differentiate them matter the MOST.

Funny because he wasn't a Democrat until November. Bernie is not where the Democratic Party is headed, in my opinion. I do think that his popularity will spark the beginning of a new, further left party.

[Retro]

Originally posted by Andres

That "most left" person in the Senate is running for President and has a crazy energized group of people behind him. Why wouldn't I compare her to him?

Bernie is where the democratic party is headed so yes the votes that differentiate them matter the MOST.

Good lord, really? You don't see the problem with trying to call her "not a progressive" by comparing her to him? Nobody cares that he's running within the context of this conversation (or at all anymore quite frankly).

God damn.

[Javan]

Originally posted by Bloo

Because Hillary's opponent is Donald Trump.


Funny because he wasn't a Democrat until November. Bernie is not where the Democratic Party is headed, in my opinion. I do think that his popularity will spark the beginning of a new, further left party.

And that will be the end of the democrats. nnn his power.

And Bernie is where the country is heading. In the new age of information, the oligarchs can not rule forever. Not if the middle class continues to shrink.

[Bloo]

Originally posted by Javan

And that will be the end of the democrats. nnn his power.

Based on what? The party is going to shift left in general (as will the Republican Party) because each generation is more left than the one before it. That has nothing to do with Bernie's rise in popularity. He gives a bigger voice to Independents than he does to Democrats.

[Retro]

We want the Democrats to head toward Bernie and they will. There will be no new party business.

[Javan]

Originally posted by Bloo

Based on what? The party is going to shift left in general (as will the Republican Party) because each generation is more left than the one before it. That has nothing to do with Bernie's rise in popularity. He gives a bigger voice to Independents than he does to Democrats.

It's going to shift left but you just said it's not going in Bernies direction

And to answer your question, based on splitting the vote.

[Andres]

Like it's been said before in this thread, the word progressive/liberal doesn't have a solid definition.

Most progressives do not view a politician like Hillary as a progressive. Taking huge amounts of money from millionaires and calling for incremental change is not PROGRESSION, it is literally the opposite.

[Andres]

Originally posted by Javan

It's going to shift left but you just said it's not going in Bernies direction

And to answer your question, based on splitting the vote.

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