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Ariana's new song is so boring 
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Originally posted by Sunshine.
Example: "feels fakier" when Bey does something but then praise Rihanna's sound and image inconsistencies for diversity!!1.
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? I didn't do this... I admitted that Pour It Up falls into the category of things I'm criticizing.
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Originally posted by collin
I never called her "too sexy", but for some reason the point doesn't manage to stick
and gets twisted/turned into something I'm not arguing.
I've been criticizing the target audiences and persistent  DRUGS don't make for a good combination, the most. And it doesn't help when artists want to claim they deserve awards for this in supplement with cashing out their bodies for money as a "GREAT thing  " to millions of people, children, etc. I honestly think that women can do whatever they want with their bodies, but it feels weird/wrong to me that unattainable bodies are displayed on Billboards, screens, visuals; inescapable, everywhere, telling everyone "this is what you want to look like... it's this," making all sorts of people everywhere feel constantly not good enough and sexually insecure. Especially young people that are developing their own thoughts/opinions being spoon-fed media content like this. |
But, the thing is that Nicki has always been explicit I mean look at her last name. Unattainable bodies go beyond music tho, that will be a issue with someone with any size. That doesn't mean they should cover up because they fear kids will want that body. Young people will do what they want to do nor is it the artists fault to take care of kids that aren't theres. You stanning for Rihanna of all people should know this.
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Originally posted by Sunshine.
I don't mind Rihanna at all.
And most of the dragging from the Hive is mostly Navy induced from their unwarranted criticism of everything Beyonce does.
Example: "feels fakier" when Bey does something but then praise Rihanna's sound and image inconsistencies for diversity!!1.
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Why isn't no one talking about Ariana's new song? Is it because no one cares enough to listen to it since the first two were bad?
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Anaconda is not marketed towards children. Songs that have the "E" tag on iTunes are not marketed towards kids. Artists like Taylor and Katy are marketed towards kids because they make age appropriate music, if anything a song like Birthday could be viewed as worse for kids because it has a "naughty" message snuck in a seemingly innocent song.
Just because kids, although really it's teens, gravitate towards Nicki doesn't mean she's marketed towards them. Feel free to post evidence that proves otherwise unless you have another post about Anaconda's lyrics
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Originally posted by Anvarie
Anaconda is not marketed towards children. Songs that have the "E" tag on iTunes are not marketed towards kids. Artists like Taylor and Katy are marketed towards kids because they make age appropriate music, if anything a song like Birthday could be viewed as worse for kids because it has a "naughty" message snuck in a seemingly innocent song.
Just because kids, although really it's teens, gravitate towards Nicki doesn't mean she's marketed towards them. Feel free to post evidence that proves otherwise unless you have another post about Anaconda's lyrics |
We're only accepting evidence dated within the past two years, too.
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Originally posted by collin
? I didn't do this... I admitted that Pour It Up falls into the category of things I'm criticizing.
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Not you specifically. Just the general response from the Navy to Beyonce taking actual artistic risks by tackling issues like gender inequality and racism with each new project. As opposed to the wig changes the Navy dies for every era.
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Originally posted by Anvarie
Anaconda is not marketed towards children. Songs that have the "E" tag on iTunes are not marketed towards kids. Artists like Taylor and Katy are marketed towards kids because they make age appropriate music, if anything a song like Birthday could be viewed as worse for kids because it has a "naughty" message snuck in a seemingly innocent song.
Just because kids, although really it's teens, gravitate towards Nicki doesn't mean she's marketed towards them. Feel free to post evidence that proves otherwise unless you have another post about Anaconda's lyrics |
The reason I said it was marketed towards children is because songs that rely heavily on streaming and hype are very, very teen-centric.
This is why I agree with Nicki Minaj on Wrecking Ball not being OK to win awards when Anaconda doesn't,
but Wrecking Ball also doesn't sensationalize drug dealers as a turn-on and incorporate a useless,
repeat-worthy-lacking song to back it, but rather, a ballad with at least an ounce of substance.
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Originally posted by MrBeyonceFan
But, the thing is that Nicki has always been explicit I mean look at her last name. Unattainable bodies go beyond music tho, that will be a issue with someone with any size. That doesn't mean they should cover up because they fear kids will want that body. Young people will do what they want to do nor is it the artists fault to take care of kids that aren't there's. |
You're right, it does go beyond music and the Kardashians are most to-blame for that.
Actually, profitability and media trends are mostly to blame. Things Americans put on a pedestal
and, other parts of the world too I guess, are by nature trivial and they get perpetuated... not Nicki's fault,
but not really something easy for me to support and applaud - does that make sense?
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Originally posted by Sunshine.
Not you specifically. Just the general response to Beyonce taking actual artistic risks by tackling issues like gender inequality and racism with each new project. As opposed to the wig changes the Navy dies for every era.
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It just seemed like it because of the "fakier" comment.
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Originally posted by collin
The reason I said it was marketed towards children is because songs that rely heavily on streaming and hype are very, very teen-centric.
This is why I agree with Nicki Minaj on Wrecking Ball not being OK to win awards when Anaconda doesn't,
but Wrecking Ball also doesn't sensationalize drug dealers as a turn-on and incorporate a useless,
repeat-worthy-lacking song to back it, but rather, a ballad with at least an ounce of substance.
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All songs released in this market rely on streaming unless you're Adele. Also mess at you taking another chance to discuss Anaconda is that the only thing you can say, like we get it that song (which she admitted she wrote in a short amount of time as a joke) references drugs move on please.
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Member Since: 2/13/2012
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Originally posted by Anvarie
All songs released in this market rely on streaming unless you're Adele. Also mess at you taking another chance to discuss Anaconda is that the only thing you can say, like we get it that song (which she admitted she wrote in a short amount of time as a joke) references drugs move on please. |
That's because it's the point I find most pressing and mind-numbing, society-damaging?
That's what I've been talking about the whole time and pushing most of the importance towards, not her body.
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Originally posted by collin
It just seemed like it because of the "fakier" comment.
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The example was general, but that specific logic is the issue.
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Originally posted by collin
You're right, it does go beyond music and the Kardashians are most to-blame for that.
Actually, profitability and media trends are mostly to blame. Things Americans put on a pedestal
and, other parts of the world too I guess, are by nature trivial and they get perpetuated... not Nicki's fault,
but not really something easy for me to support and applaud - does that make sense?
It just seemed like it because of the "fakier" comment.
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No, because the things like women with curves are becoming acceptable, it wasn't like. There are bigger issues and one is not being "sexual". I don't see why it doesn't make sense when Rihanna is a example for what your are talking about.
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This man sold a million in a week TWICE if I'm not mistaken
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Originally posted by collin
That's because it's the point I find most pressing and mind-numbing, society-damaging?
That's what I've been talking about the whole time and pushing most of the importance towards, not her body.
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I honestly just don't care, when I listen to songs with drug and alcohol references it doesn't influence my decisions, I just enjoy the singing/production. When I play Grand Theft Auto and run over everyone and pay hookers to sleep with my pixelated character it doesn't make me think that's what makes someone cool/successful. Your message of a society without those things isn't terrible but it's also unrealistic and bordering on censorship which is never a good idea (1984)
You'll just have to accept sexiness, partying, and weed is what's "in" and "cool" otherwise you'll be in here ranting forever.
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oh my god stop being so ****ing pretentious and lighten the **** up
talking about "bad influences" in music when you stan for ****ing rihanna is RICH. the same woman who has had her nipples out in each of her last three music videos
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Originally posted by MrBeyonceFan
No, because the things like women with curves are becoming acceptable, it wasn't like. There are bigger issues and one is not being "sexual". I don't see why it doesn't make sense when Rihanna is a example for what your are talking about. |
I've stated already that Rihanna has often been a part of the problem,
but Rihanna is much less up-front and blatant about sex-selling and I find her sexuality to be less
socially destructive because it's a lot more of a natural delivery, in my own opinion.
I've also placed increasing value in the discussion of Nicki Minaj including lyricism like
"pop pills til I'm sleepy!" on songs clearly marketed to young people...
"Moonshine and molly" is kind of close to this, but it's not totally abrasive and in-your-face... it's subtle.
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Member Since: 2/13/2012
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Originally posted by Anvarie
I honestly just don't care, when I listen to songs with drug and alcohol references it doesn't influence my decisions, I just enjoy the singing/production. When I play Grand Theft Auto and run over everyone and pay hookers to sleep with my pixelated character it doesn't make me think that's what makes someone cool/successful. Your message of a society without those things isn't terrible but it's also unrealistic and bordering on censorship which is never a good idea (1984)
You'll just have to accept sexiness, partying, and weed is what's "in" and "cool" otherwise you'll be in here ranting forever. |
Unfortunately, this is not how everyone is affected by certain media...
Yeah, I wouldn't say I support censorship, but promoting this way of thinking and ideal set with
the CLEAR intention to "REACH AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE"/$$$$$$ just, sorry, feels weird to me.
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