[Bad Wolf]

Originally posted by Giselle

Because again, unless you have a significant portion of people willing to do so, it will only hurt more than help. It's really that simple. It's just brattiness.

The millions behind this movement aren't at least a decent-sized significant portion of people?

It all has to start somewhere, otherwise it would never reach the significant portion you're talking about.

In reality, I'm probably going to end up having to vote for Hillary, but I won't feel good about it.

[ALIEN]

Originally posted by Giselle

Please do explain what favorables had to do with my post. Please.

I'm saying he was making his own point to what you're saying. Can't believe I have to explain a grown ass woman how a conversation works like, get it ****ing together Giselle

[Temporal]

Originally posted by Bloo

I love how young people are pissed about Hillary making a comment on young voter mentality, at large, and then the some of their reactions are, "**** her!! If Bernie doesn't get it, I'm voting Trump!! #BernieOrBUST"

All that does is prove her point that young people, at large, do not have political maturity, and I am a young person, but I can see that. The surge of Bernie Or Bust is fact enough of that. Elections are not the time to be selfish and vote to make your heart feel good about itself. You have to think of the country and the world at large. Your feelings do not matter at the end of the day, and if we end up with President Trump as a result, then our entire generation will go into history books as the ones responsible for the worst president in history and I'd rather not have that on my conscious.

This tea has me burned ALIVE

[Jonna Lee]

Originally posted by foxaylove

Jeff Weaver is ruining Bernie Sanders' campaign, single-handedly.

It never stops. Bernie is going to have to cleanup the mess that his Campaign Manager has created, again.

All these receipts He's truly terrible

[Marvin]

Originally posted by Bloo

Please explain to me as to what the difference is. I really want your input.

The difference is that Democrats today are only focused on beating the Republicans, and shape their plans around that. Bill's centrist approach and Hillary's current campaign are pretty much the picture of this.

[LuLuDrops]

Bernie fans, please write to him and suggest a replacement. Weaver has to go

[Jonna Lee]

Originally posted by Bloo

I love how young people are pissed about Hillary making a comment on young voter mentality, at large, and then the some of their reactions are, "**** her!! If Bernie doesn't get it, I'm voting Trump!! #BernieOrBUST"

All that does is prove her point that young people, at large, do not have political maturity, and I am a young person, but I can see that. The surge of Bernie Or Bust is fact enough of that. Elections are not the time to be selfish and vote to make your heart feel good about itself. You have to think of the country and the world at large. Your feelings do not matter at the end of the day, and if we end up with President Trump as a result, then our entire generation will go into history books as the ones responsible for the worst president in history and I'd rather not have that on my conscious.

Ok but remember the Hilary or Bust people in 2008?

[6_INCH_HEELS]

I don't get the complaints over not having any good Dem. candidates in the first place. Both Hillary and Bernie are great candidates. I think the comparisons are coming from people looking at Obama, and then people looking at Hillary and Bernie, and feeling because they're not as good or as competent as Obama, they're bad candidates.

[RihRihGirrrl]

I wonder who 'liberals' consider the last good President cause they don't seem to like Bill or Obama...

[Bloo]

Originally posted by Marvin

The difference is that Democrats today are only focused on beating the Republicans, and shape their plans around that. Bill's centrist approach and Hillary's current campaign are pretty much the picture of this.

Not really. Many people quite frankly just have more faith in Hillary's ability to actually make progress happen. That's why I'm voting for her, also I'm not as left as Sanders and am more centrist than many Sanders supporters. I lean left, but I'm not as left as many of his supporters. Which is fine, but to imply that all Democrats are as left as Bernie is and the only reason they're not voting for him is because the main concern is beating Republicans is just an asinine statement. I, and many others, simply do not believe in Sanders' ability to get things done and/or do not align with him politically as much as we do Hillary.

Originally posted by Jonna Lee

Ok but remember the Hilary or Bust people in 2008?

And remember how they got over it and Obama had two terms?

[Jonna Lee]

Originally posted by RihRihGirrrl

I wonder who 'liberals' consider the last good President cause they don't seem to like Bill or Obama...

Many liberals love both, and I'd say most admire at least one?

[Jonna Lee]

Originally posted by Bloo

And remember how they got over it and Obama had two terms?

They got over it because she wasn't running in 2012. Hillary has hardcore stans that are just as aggressive and obsessive as any Bernie stan.

And LBR, most of Bernie's hardest-core supporters are not even registered Democrats who will have a lot of effect on creating a rift in the party on the level of Trump/Cruz/Kasich/Ryan or w.e.

[Giselle]

Originally posted by ALIEN

I'm saying he was making his own point to what you're saying. Can't believe I have to explain a grown ass woman how a conversation works like, get it ****ing together Giselle

d; see I'm trying to not get anymore WPs but you're pushing. I know he was making his own point. I'm asking WHAT his position me was, GOOFY.

Stop hopping on my quote button if you don't have something smart to say. Seriously.

[Marvin]

Originally posted by MiaBella

What? She claims she's a Dem. It's going to be between Hillary and some stupid Rep. Her only option is Hillary cause Bernie damn sure isn't going to be on the ballot. Truth.

Oh I thought you were talking about the primary, not the general election

[6_INCH_HEELS]

Originally posted by Bloo

Not really. Many people quite frankly just have more faith in Hillary's ability to actually make progress happen. That's why I'm voting for her, also I'm not as left as Sanders and am more centrist than many Sanders supporters. I lean left, but I'm not as left as many of his supporters. Which is fine, but to imply that all Democrats are as left as Bernie is and the only reason they're not voting for him is because the main concern is beating Republicans is just an asinine statement. I, and many others, simply do not believe in Sanders' ability to get things done and/or do not align with him politically as much as we do Hillary.

And remember how they got over it and Obama had two terms?

This! THIS! I actually like Bernie and share a lot of his ideals, however I don't think he would be able to get anything accomplished in office. Especially since lately, he's began to divide and antagonize the very party he would need backing from. Obama struggles with the Reps. running Congress. Hillary would have a much better chance of swaying Reps. and leading Dems. than Bernie would. That's just how I feel. And whole free healthcare and free college is awesome! As a student and a frequent flyer in the ER, I am all here for it. But he doesn't have a plan on how to get from A to D, and that's worrisome. I'm a realist. Realistically, I don't see any of what he's promising to do happening within the next 4 to 8 years. Also, there's more to life than free healthcare and free school. And along the lines of trade and foreign policy, Hillary holds my interests more.

[RihRihGirrrl]

Originally posted by Jonna Lee

Many liberals love both, and I'd say most admire at least one?

maybe it's just the hardcore ones...they both have very high approval ratings amongst Dems

[6_INCH_HEELS]

Originally posted by Marvin

Oh I thought you were talking about the primary, not the general election

Yeah, she JUST registered last week. Our caucus was wayyyy back in February. That's what I meant when I said she missed her chance. Late ass. Bernie has a lot of these late to the ball-field voters.

[ALIEN]

Originally posted by Giselle

d; see I'm trying to not get anymore WPs but you're pushing. I know he was making his own point. I'm asking WHAT his position me was, GOOFY.

Stop hopping on my quote button if you don't have something smart to say. Seriously.

You didn't ask, you said that it had nothing to do with what you're saying.

I do whatever I want Giselle. Stfu.

[Bloo]

Originally posted by Jonna Lee

They got over it because she wasn't running in 2012. Hillary has hardcore stans that are just as aggressive and obsessive as any Bernie stan.

What an awful comment. He wouldn't have been running if they didn't get over it and vote him into office in 2008. But, nice try, I guess?

And LBR, most of Bernie's hardest-core supporters are not even registered Democrats who will have a lot of effect on creating a rift in the party on the level of Trump/Cruz/Kasich/Ryan or w.e.

Not really. In the GE, states are winner-take-all. Let's say the Independent population is 20%, and the Democrat and Republican populations are 40% each. If the Independents entirely sit out, then that still means it will come down to the Democrats and Republicans. Also, Bernie supporters have been polled and it's been shown that a large majority will switch to Hillary with no problem. That's not even taking into account Bernie, Obama, Elizabeth Warren, Biden, and others coming out and voicing support for Hillary to win the presidency. The Clinton/Obama rivalry was a LOT bloodier than the Clinton/Sanders rivalry.

[Marvin]

Originally posted by Bloo

Not really. Many people quite frankly just have more faith in Hillary's ability to actually make progress happen. That's why I'm voting for her, also I'm not as left as Sanders and am more centrist than many Sanders supporters. I lean left, but I'm not as left as many of his supporters. Which is fine, but to imply that all Democrats are as left as Bernie is and the only reason they're not voting for him is because the main concern is beating Republicans is just an asinine statement. I, and many others, simply do not believe in Sanders' ability to get things done and/or do not align with him politically as much as we do Hillary.

It's more of the party leaders, not the voters. They should be happy to have such a liberal voice in Bernie Sanders, but instead they just want to focus on what can get done now. Don't they realize that we could potentially get a Democratic majority in Congress? But it won't happen with their method of "lower your expectations, this isn't possible." It's NOT going to motivate people to vote or get involved in the political landscape.

It's just disappointing and another reason why I'm hoping we have more prominent third/fourth parties in the near future.