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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Originally posted by Wonderland
You've got to be kidding me 
The only thing your country is playing with is the health of the underprivileged which, by the way, only further exacerbates the inequalities rampant in your country. |
I would love for all of the underprivileged to be well taken care of (as does Hillary) however someone else wanting the same thing doesn't mean they would make a good President. The reality is, it's not a feasible plan at this moment and I do not have faith in Bernie's capabilities. Say what you want.
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I saw so many Bernie signs in my town. I only saw one for Hillary and one bumper sticker.
But she still won my state AND county 
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I'm not trying to be rude or insensitive, but I find it a little bit annoying when people outside of the US try to argue with US citizens about domestic issues for us... I'm sorry, but I think US citizens understand US domestic issues better overall. I just find it annoying. I'll probably get chewed out for this statement, but I had to get that out.
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Originally posted by Giselle
What's funny is when someone points out how socialism/some of Bernie's policies have had extremely negative effects on other countries, the Bern's always say "You can't compare them to us!" but are always quick to say "but but but Canada!"
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Bernie's policies are closer to the nordic model (a system combining free market captialism with an extensive and comprehensive welfare state) than socialism, though.
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Originally posted by Bloo
I'm not trying to be rude or insensitive, but I find it a little bit annoying when people outside of the US try to argue with US citizens about domestic issues for us... I'm sorry, but I think US citizens understand US domestic issues better overall. I just find it annoying. I'll probably get chewed out for this statement, but I had to get that out.
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I agree!
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Originally posted by Bloo
I'm not trying to be rude or insensitive, but I find it a little bit annoying when people outside of the US try to argue with US citizens about domestic issues for us... I'm sorry, but I think US citizens understand US domestic issues better overall. I just find it annoying. I'll probably get chewed out for this statement, but I had to get that out.
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I knew someone would say this
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Originally posted by Giselle
I would love for all of the underprivileged to be well taken care of (as does Hillary) however someone else wanting the same thing doesn't mean they would make a good President. The reality is, it's not a feasible plan at this moment and I do not have faith in Bernie's capabilities. Say what you want. |
This is what I don't get.
People seem to have this perception that inequalities are too expensive to fix but they cannot see that in the big picture, it's actually more expensive to have them in the first place. There's tons of research backing this up.
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Originally posted by Bloo
I'm not trying to be rude or insensitive, but I find it a little bit annoying when people outside of the US try to argue with US citizens about domestic issues for us... I'm sorry, but I think US citizens understand US domestic issues better overall. I just find it annoying. I'll probably get chewed out for this statement, but I had to get that out.
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There's nothing difficult to understand; It's common sense. If the rest of the developed world can do it, then so can America.
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And can we also talk about how Bernie's supporters didn't turn out for Kloppenburg? His entire case has rested on the fact that he will get the youth turn out and in turn, get down ticket democrats elected. And that's clearly not the case.
Chelsea Clinton spoke about something at CGI that I really like. People, young people, really don't understand what level of government is responsible for what. They think they can vote for a good President and everything will be OK. On a different note, when asked if she would ever run, she said that she liked her current officials and she also spoke about how sort of the Clinton way is "If you don't like something, you run". So when Hillary told that "activist" "then why don't you run for something?", I don't think it was bad. The values Hillary and her family hold are if you aren't satisfied with what the government is doing, you run yourself.
I might run one day
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Originally posted by Giselle
And can we also talk about how Bernie's supporters didn't turn out for Kloppenburg? |
That's her fault, not his. Only 15% didn't vote, and guess what? All of Hillary supporters didn't vote for her either.
Trying to blame Bernie is very illogical.
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Originally posted by Giselle
Chelsea Clinton spoke about something at CGI that I really like. People, young people, really don't understand what level of government is responsible for what. They think they can vote for a good President and everything will be OK. On a different note, when asked if she would ever run, she said that she liked her current officials and she also spoke about how sort of the Clinton way is "If you don't like something, you run". So when Hillary told that "activist" "then why don't you run for something?", I don't think it was bad. The values Hillary and her family hold are if you aren't satisfied with what the government is doing, you run yourself.
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All these contradictions 
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Originally posted by Marvin
There's nothing difficult to understand; It's common sense. If the rest of the developed world can do it, then so can America.
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This is a dense and narrow way of viewing things  Something being feasible at one point in time at one place does not mean it's feasible at all points in time in every place.
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Originally posted by Bloo
I'm not trying to be rude or insensitive, but I find it a little bit annoying when people outside of the US try to argue with US citizens about domestic issues for us... I'm sorry, but I think US citizens understand US domestic issues better overall. I just find it annoying. I'll probably get chewed out for this statement, but I had to get that out.
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On a lot of finer political points, I'd agree with you saying that. But for the most part here we're talking about the impact of policies upon society and believe it or not, that's a pretty universally accessible topic for most people and there's nothing about the US in particular that makes it different from any other western democracy.
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Originally posted by Giselle
And can we also talk about how Bernie's supporters didn't turn out for Kloppenburg? His entire case has rested on the fact that he will get the youth turn out and in turn, get down ticket democrats elected. And that's clearly not the case.
Chelsea Clinton spoke about something at CGI that I really like. People, young people, really don't understand what level of government is responsible for what. They think they can vote for a good President and everything will be OK. On a different note, when asked if she would ever run, she said that she liked her current officials and she also spoke about how sort of the Clinton way is "If you don't like something, you run". So when Hillary told that "activist" "then why don't you run for something?", I don't think it was bad. The values Hillary and her family hold are if you aren't satisfied with what the government is doing, you run yourself.
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This is awesome  I love to see what an inspiration Hillary has been in your life & in the lives of so many people around America and the world
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Originally posted by Jonna Lee
All these contradictions |
Where's the contradiction?
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Originally posted by Jonna Lee
I knew someone would say this
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It sounds so xenophobic 
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Originally posted by Bloo
I'm not trying to be rude or insensitive, but I find it a little bit annoying when people outside of the US try to argue with US citizens about domestic issues for us... I'm sorry, but I think US citizens understand US domestic issues better overall. I just find it annoying. I'll probably get chewed out for this statement, but I had to get that out.
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He or she could be offering a different perspective. It's not like it would be difficult to follow along with how things are in the US. Plus every policy implemented in the US, even if its concerning domestic issues affects the world (See how the housemarket collapse affect the world economy/ consequence on thr economy of the US banks collapsing and the regulation it required to get them back on their feet.), which means every detail gets blasted internationally and allows people to learn about it and develop strong opinions on it.
Plus are you telling me you've never discussed/argued or given an opinion on domestic issues of outher countries? No one country? In the Middle East? In Africa? Europe? The US Presidential candidates sure do that regularly.
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Originally posted by Giselle
Where's the contradiction? |
The idea that voting for a candidate makes no real change if you don't support a hierarchy of other like-minded candidates... so what's the point of being a candidate, especially one who doesn't want to identify with that hierarchy
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