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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Originally posted by jpow
Hillary has already been through all of that. There is relatively nothing new to discover about her.
Bernie on the other hand.....
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She had been through it in 2008 and look how that turned out. Even now people still find her untrustworthy and her public image continues to deteriorate.
Bernie on the other hand doesn't have nearly as many controversies and flip flops as she does. Trying to pretend like he's a communist won't work. Sorry.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Marvin
Welp, there's the reason why April 14 didn't work. Any questions?  |
So he'd rather do a normal rally instead of a debate? That's the worst excuse 
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Marvin
Welp, there's the reason why April 14 didn't work. Any questions? |
B-but... He's SCARED and he keeps declining debates! Hillary has pushed for more debates ever since her focus groups said they wanted more! Down with communism! #ImWithHer
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Originally posted by Marvin
She had been through it in 2008 and look how that turned out. Even now people still find her untrustworthy and her public image continues to deteriorate.
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But then Hillary's public image got better after 2008 when she became one of the most liked Secretary of States in our history....
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Originally posted by Marvin
Bernie on the other hand doesn't have nearly as many controversies and flip flops as she does. Trying to pretend like he's a communist won't work. Sorry.
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It's hard to have controversies when all you do is sit in the senate and not pass bills. But they still find stuff like the video clip of him praising Cuba's communist regime that they showed at the Miami debate. A lot of people had never seen that before. I can't imagine what else they could find on him.
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Originally posted by jpow
So he'd rather do a normal rally instead of a debate? That's the worst excuse |
A high-profile rally in a coveted Manhattan space.
He's about to hold an iconic event in Central Park. That's not a "normal rally"
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Marvin
A high-profile rally in a coveted Manhattan space.
He's about to hold an iconic event in Central Park. That's not a "normal rally" |
Something tells me Hillary's supporters aren't familiar with high-profile rallies...
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Marvin
A high-profile rally in a coveted Manhattan space.
He's about to hold an iconic event in Central Park. That's not a "normal rally" |
Sis, calm down on the size 7 font  We don't know what high profile or coveted space means yet. He could just stand on a box like he did for his Harlem rally for all we know.
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Member Since: 8/16/2010
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Originally posted by Marvin
She had been through it in 2008 and look how that turned out. Even now people still find her untrustworthy and her public image continues to deteriorate.
Bernie on the other hand doesn't have nearly as many controversies and flip flops as she does. Trying to pretend like he's a communist won't work. Sorry.
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So it won't work because you say so, despite there being clips of him explicitly sympathizing with communist regimes? 
And that's just the tip of the iceberg. When the party of family values pries into his personal life---discovering his virtual unemployment until 40, his honeymoon in the USSR, his illegitimate child, Jane Sanders's shadiness with Burlington college, his enormous credit card debt, and his refusal to release his tax returns, they won't even have to focus on the economic unfeasibility of his plans.
Hillary has been through this, there is nothing that can be said about her that hasn't already been said. Bernie has been untouched, which is why it's hilarious when people tout his favorables. He might as well be "generic Democrat."
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Member Since: 1/20/2012
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Originally posted by jpow
Sis, calm down on the size 7 font We don't know what high profile or coveted space means yet. He could just stand on a box like he did for his Harlem rally for all we know. |
Standing on a box in Harlem is not high profile or a coveted space (the Apollo is, but you don't a permit to speak there). It's going to be an outdoor public space. Only a few places match that description...
Central Park
Bryant Park
Times Square
Any of them will be ICONIC. The media will have no choice but to cover it 
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
Oh come on. I like John Stossel. I think he has some interesting points and perspectives. Even if I don't agree with him on anything everything. I enjoyed his show more on ABC than Fox News, which let's be real. However. he is clearly cherry picking Bernie's statements. I would like to hear Bernie's context. For example, I can imagine breadlines being an improvement for country that had large amounts of people starving. It is better to stand in line for bread than to have no bread at all. No way was he saying America should start having bread lines.
Finally, we he said Like really? |
 Exactly. This video is trying to pain him as someone who wants to bring a Sandinistic revolution to the U.S. 
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Hillary has no obligation to go out of her way to suit Bernie's schedule  He's the one who wanted to have another debate in the first place, if it's that important to him then he should have taken her up on one of her other two offers.
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Wait...so Bernie wants to forgo a debate seen by millions for a rally attended by thousands? I thought he didn't want April 4th because he didn't want to compete with the NCAA title game to ensure maximum viewership?
Berners are really grasping at excuses. Just admit that Bernie doesn't actually want to debate, he just wants to fundraise off his gullible fans by suggesting that Hillary is running scared.
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
Oh come on. I like John Stossel. I think he has some interesting points and perspectives. Even if I don't agree with him on anything everything. I enjoyed his show more on ABC than Fox News, which let's be real. However. he is clearly cherry picking Bernie's statements. I would like to hear Bernie's context. For example, I can imagine breadlines being an improvement for country that had large amounts of people starving. It is better to stand in line for bread than to have no read at all. No way was he saying America should start having bread lines.
Finally, we he said Like really? |
Cherry-picking is what happens in a GE, Republicans would not afford him the luxury of context.
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Originally posted by Benzene
So it won't work because you say so, despite there being clips of him explicitly sympathizing with communist regimes?
And that's just the tip of the iceberg. When the party of family values pries into his personal life--- discovering his virtual unemployment until 40, his honeymoon in the USSR, his illegitimate child, Jane Sanders's shadiness with Burlington college, his enormous credit card debt, and his refusal to release his tax returns, they won't even have to focus on the economic unfeasibility of his plans.
Hillary has been through this, there is nothing that can be said about her that hasn't already been said. Bernie has been untouched, which is why it's hilarious when people tout his favorables. He might as well be "generic Democrat." |
The video lacks context and is from Fox News. Pathetic attempt, just like everything in bold.
And no, Obama and the Republicans didn't expose how much of a corrupt establishment politician she was like Bernie has been able to. People are tired of the big money in politics. The internet wasn't as big either. It's a lot easier to look up how much she's lied and flip flopped throughout her career.
Her trustworthy numbers wouldn't be falling still if she "had been through this"
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An iconic event in Central Park > a boring debate 
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April 19th needs to be over, already.
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Originally posted by Marvin
The video lacks context and is from Fox News. Pathetic attempt, just like everything in bold.
And no, Obama and the Republicans didn't expose how much of a corrupt establishment politician she was like Bernie has been able to. People are tired of the big money in politics. The internet wasn't as big either. It's a lot easier to look up how much she's lied and flip flopped throughout her career.
Her trustworthy numbers wouldn't be falling still if she "had been through this"
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It's adorable that you think context would matter in a general election. Karl Rove gives no ****s about context, and no amount of hashtag trending will stop the Republican spin machine.
Bernie supporters seem to believe the internet is an arbiter of truth. The internet is in many respects an echo-chamber, with people only seeking content (accuracy be damned) that they already agree with. The ~exposure~ has less to do with Bernie and more to do with Hillary being polarizing figure and those who alreadt don't like her seeking content to confirm their viewpoints. If the internet were truly predictive of anything, after all, Bernie wouldn't be losing terribly.
Clinton's favorables always fluctuate, being lowest when she's running for office and highest when she's dormant. The point is that opinions about her are pretty much set and aren't going to get much worse. Sanders, as far as attacks go, is a sitting duck.
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by Marvin
Welp, there's the reason why April 14 didn't work. Any questions? |
I mean... they are in a very contested campaign. I'm sure they are both very busy every day. Hillary probably has huge events schedule on the other days. Should she have to cancel her event to be convenient for Bernie?
I'm sure there has to be a date that works for both of them. I hope they can agree to it. Even though I don't care to watch another debate (let's be real, are either of them going to say anything different?)
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Member Since: 8/16/2010
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Bernie never wanted a debate. He tried to strongarm Hillary into his complete terms for fundraising and when the Clinton team went on the offensive it backfired.
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Member Since: 8/6/2015
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Originally posted by Benzene
It's adorable that you think context would matter in a general election. Karl Rove gives no ****s about context, and no amount of hashtag trending will stop the Republican spin machine.
Bernie supporters seem to believe the internet is an arbiter of truth. The internet is in many respects an echo-chamber, with people only seeking content (accuracy be damned) that they already agree with. The ~exposure~ has less to do with Bernie and more to do with Hillary being polarizing figure and those who alreadt don't like her seeking content to confirm their viewpoints. If the internet were truly predictive of anything, after all, Bernie wouldn't be losing terribly.
Clinton's favorables always fluctuate, being lowest when she's running for office and highest when she's dormant. The point is that opinions about her are pretty much set and aren't going to get much worse. Sanders, as far as attacks go, is a sitting duck.
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Bernie would be destroyed, should he be the nominee (not happening).
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