[gloamingtheplain]

Lmao. Vegans can try it all they want.

At the end of the day, Humans are omnivores and as such we need Vitamin B12. Which can only be found in other living animals.

Vegans who breastfeed can actually kill their baby if they lack B12, and the list of health issues that come with a lack of B12 are not worth what it gains. In fact, long periods without B12 can kill you slowly.

And while Vegans are quick to say "you can take supplements!!!11" fail to see that those supplements come from the one source that creates it, And the alternative supplements do more harm than good.

you can't list all the benefits without listing the most critical side effect

[beautiful player]

I'd love to go vegan. I already abstain from eating corpses and flesh. But milk & cheese are fundamental to my daily life. I can't imagine what to replace them with.

[cancer]

Yeah, no thanks.

[montrealxo]

humans are omnivores. it's nature. get over it

[HEIDI]

Originally posted by montrealxo

humans are omnivores. it's nature. get over it

Can I get some receipts to substantiate this claim?

[jxck]

Originally posted by gloamingtheplain

Lmao. Vegans can try it all they want.

At the end of the day, Humans are omnivores and as such we need Vitamin B12. Which can only be found in other living animals.

Vegans who breastfeed can actually kill their baby if they lack B12, and the list of health issues that come with a lack of B12 are not worth what it gains. In fact, long periods without B12 can kill you slowly.

And while Vegans are quick to say "you can take supplements!!!11" fail to see that those supplements come from the one source that creates it, And the alternative supplements do more harm than good.

you can't list all the benefits without listing the most critical side effect

Thanks for bringing this up!

The first thing to note is that there's a lot of evidence suggesting that we're in fact, vastly different to carnivores and omnivores.

Many people say that the only foods which contain vitamin B12 are animal-derived foods. This also is untrue. No foods naturally contain vitamin B12 - neither animal or plant foods. Vitamin B12 is a microbe - a bacteria - it is produced by microorganisms. Vitamin B12 is the only vitamin that contains a trace element - cobalt - which gives this vitamin its chemical name - cobalamin - which is at the centre of its molecular structure. Humans and all vertebrates require cobalt, although it is assimilated only in the form of vitamin B12. Cobalt is acquired from the pasture and soil [making lack of B12 in human food consumption more reflective of modern farming techniques than modern diet choices]

http://www.vibrancyuk.com/B12.html

B12 deficiency can also be a worry - in fact, it's prominent in 50 - 90% of the US population! A lot of people should be taking B12 supplements, having injections or enjoying it in fortified foods, and there are plant based, vegan sources of B12! I take this one. I wonder what makes you think these alternate supplements do more harm than good? There are tonnes of us vegans thriving everyday. Thank you for voicing a reasonable concern rather than just responding with "lol **** dat"

[gloamingtheplain]

Originally posted by jxck

Thanks for bringing this up!

The first thing to note is that there's a lot of evidence suggesting that we're in fact, vastly different to carnivores and omnivores.



B12 deficiency can also be a worry - in fact, it's prominent in 50 - 90% of the US population! A lot of people should be taking B12 supplements, having injections or enjoying it in fortified foods, and there are plant based, vegan sources of B12! I take this one. I wonder what makes you think these alternate supplements do more harm than good? There are tonnes of us vegans thriving everyday. Thank you for voicing a reasonable concern rather than just responding with "lol **** dat"

I'm vegetarian myself (building towards it although I do relapse in public) and looked into Vegan (even though animals taste good, bones and insides freak me out). I only even ate processed meat or Seafood (Calamari and Hoki/Flake only).

96% of Vegans are deficient of Vitamin B12, even with injections and supplements. And humans are naturally deficient and need to eat a lot of meat, dairy and eggs to get it back. Most people eat junk or meat that has lost its nutrients.

And the vegans mentality of why we aren't omnivorous is stupid because at the end of the day, it's down to what our body needs. We wouldn't need B12 if we weren't omnivores.

[theREALslimSHADY]

this is such a reach.

wont all those animals still occupy that much land and comsume that much water even if they were not raised for meat?? for existing on the physical plain and surviving?!

[TinkerbellClap]

I honestly wouldn't mind going vegetarian. I don't care for diary but I can't stop eggs because that would be my only mean of protein. What I don't like is pills and that's why I wouldn't go vegetarian, I'd rather take what my body needs through meat.

Plus not all countries are vegetarian-vegan friendly. My sister was vegan for 8 months and by the end of the 8th month she fainted and had to be rushed to the hospital.

[Timber]

I support veganisim, but I actually don't quite trust all of those articles. They seem a bit much. I'll check them out later.

[Reader]

http://www.gojimannutrition.com/new-...rains-to-grow/

So the evil vegan listed this receipt as proof human brains didn't evolve through the ingestion of animal protein (scientific fact), when the receipt itself only argues that carbs might've helped too.

KathyBatesLIIIIEEES.gif

[cancer]

There is much more cons for veganism than there are pros but you conveniently aren't posting those.

[Pop]

I know all the deets, but I still love a beautiful slice of beef tenderloin.

I also support fur.

[jxck]

Originally posted by theREALslimSHADY

this is such a reach.

wont all those animals still occupy that much land and comsume that much water even if they were not raised for meat?? for existing on the physical plain and surviving?!

Good question!

Cattle, pigs, and chickens are poorly suited for life in the wild. So in a world that’s increasingly vegetarian, we would see their numbers decline with every passing year. The reason there are SO many today is because we continue to raise and breed them for profit and consumption - as there is less demand for animal products, less animal abuse and environmental destruction from these farmers will occur as they will decrease supply - meaning a lesser number will continue to be bred. In the vegan future, a world without animal agriculture, these farmed animal populations will be able to continue in the wild at their own rates.

As fewer farmed animals are raised, much of the land that’s currently being used for pasture or to grow feed crops would revert to nature. So a world with fewer farmed animals would one with far more wildlife, as well as far more quality habitat for animals currently threatened by human activities.

Originally posted by TinkerbellClap

I honestly wouldn't mind going vegetarian. I don't care for diary but I can't stop eggs because that would be my only mean of protein. What I don't like is pills and that's why I wouldn't go vegetarian, I'd rather take what my body needs through meat.

Plus not all countries are vegetarian-vegan friendly. My sister was vegan for 8 months and by the end of the 8th month she fainted and had to be rushed to the hospital.

That's great to hear about your interest in going vegetarian! I wonder, do you not eat any fruits, vegetables, nuts or beans? There's protein in all of those - enough for us to thrive on! I'm sorry to hear about your sister - whilst I've connected with tonnes of vegans who have never experienced this, I understand it's a reality for many who can be uneducated on a healthy, whole foods plant-based diet. Fortunately, as a plant-based future develops, more information is made available to people wishing to pursue veganism.

[gloamingtheplain]

Originally posted by Reader

So the evil vegan listed this receipt as proof human brains didn't evolve through the ingestion of animal protein (scientific fact), when the receipt itself only argues that carbs might've helped too.

KathyBatesLIIIIEEES.gif

Also it's proven that Humans would never have evolved the way they had, and that avoiding meat etc. actually causes your brain to shrink unless you take heavy supplements.

And yet we're "omnivores"

[TinkerbellClap]

But what makes you sure the animals will able to cope on their own, after years and YEARS of being in farms? The vegan 'campaign' kind of supports extinction of these animals. Maybe that's because the passive-aggressive way it's reaching out to meat eaters (which is not a bad thing really) but yeah. I'm sure that's not the objective though.

[jxck]

Originally posted by Reader

So the evil vegan listed this receipt as proof human brains didn't evolve through the ingestion of animal protein (scientific fact), when the receipt itself only argues that carbs might've helped too.

KathyBatesLIIIIEEES.gif

Originally posted by gloamingtheplain

Also it's proven that Humans would never have evolved the way they had, and that avoiding meat etc. actually causes your brain to shrink unless you take heavy supplements.

And yet we're "omnivores"

Whoops - in my haste to find some lovely sources I skimmed over that! I'm glad you found it. I wonder - why do the customs of our forebears influence your diet choices today so much?




I can see why it would seem appropriate to continue the way we did thousands of years ago, but so much else has changed - if science is starting to prove to us that living on plants empowers us to be the healthiest we can be, why not go for it? Before going vegan I thought about this too, but seeing as I wasn't ready to chuck out my modern wardrobe, wave goodbye to my house and all my electronics, I thought I might as well pursue it.

[TinkerbellClap]

Originally posted by jxck

That's great to hear about your interest in going vegetarian! I wonder, do you not eat any fruits, vegetables, nuts or beans? There's protein in all of those - enough for us to thrive on!

I do not eat fruits, at all. I do however incorporate vegetables a lot, and I munch on almond nuts every other day. That's about it.

You know what? I'll try becoming a vegetarian for a week starting Monday.

[jxck]

Originally posted by TinkerbellClap

You know what? I'll try becoming a vegetarian for a week starting Monday.

This is so fantastic - good on you! Contact me if you need any help, a second opinion or any advice, now or anywhere in the future.

[Oxygen]