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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Originally posted by D_Man3379
Retro might have some clapbacks for that article, but that is too much for me to read, as I have little no interest about her "email scandal." |
But this is important... How will this affect her ability to handle classified emails or documents if she is elected president?
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Originally posted by Orpheus
POLITICO: Sanders says superdelegates should vote with their state
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...clinton-221005
I am so confused by Bernie's delegate strategy. Is he saying the states he won, he should get the superdelegates, but the states he lost, he should also get the superdelegates. It just doesnt make sense.
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What he's saying is that the states he won he should get the superdelegates too, proportionally. So in NH he won by a pretty substantial margin but he "only" tied her in delegates there because she captured a lot of superdelegates. He says that's not right and he should have gotten the superdelegates by the same proportion he won the state. He also couldn't agree to what Maddow said about letting the person with the more pledged delegates being the nominee. He said if he comes in with less pledged delegates but supers trust him more and give it to him that's fair.
Which is very different than what he was saying earlier about abolishing superdelegates all together and letting the people decide. Even though the people decided right alongside the superdelegates so far
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Originally posted by King Maxx
Yeah I don't care about her email scandal that much either. 
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New poll (yes it's early, but this is like the 5 state that go could change to blue) has Hillary and Bernie beating Trump in Utah in the GE. Bernie has a bigger lead over him. |
Utah? From my analysis of a few presidential elections, Utah is, by far, the MOST conservative state in this country. It would never turn blue, and especially with Sanders 
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No he did not say super delegates should be given out proportionally. He said they should consider voting for him if they think he can beat Trump. That's his exact words. If he meant what you said, he didn't say it accurately. Sorry.
What he is essentially saying is working in Clinton's favor. It's another one of his grumpy comments (like the one where he called the Human Rights Campaign and Planned Parenthood as being establishment when he wanted those endorsements.)
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Originally posted by King Maxx
No he did not say super delegates should be given out proportionally. He said they should consider voting for him if they think he can beat Trump. That's his exact words. If he meant what you said, he didn't say it accurately. Sorry.
What he is essentially saying is working in Clinton's favor. It's another one of his grumpy comments (like the one where he called the Human Rights Campaign and Planned Parenthood as being establishment when he wanted those endorsements.)
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Well it could mean one of two things. He said the superdelegates should represent the will of the people of the state. So like in Missouri where she won basically 50/50, the will of the people says 50% of supers go to him and 50% go to her instead of all of the Missouri supers (who expressed a preference) going to her. That's what I got from him saying that. Though he could just mean any state he won all supers go to him and any state she's won all go to her unless at a convention where he will try to persuade them otherwise. Seems like backtracking by him to me
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It's just a complex and confusing argument to make from the position that he's in.
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Utah? From my analysis of a few presidential elections, Utah is, by far, the MOST conservative state in this country. It would never turn blue, and especially with Sanders |
Mississippi & Wyoming say hi.
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Originally posted by jgorny
But this is important... How will this affect her ability to handle classified emails or documents if she is elected president?
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I trust in Hillary's word that nothing will come out of this. If something does I'll be severely dissapionted, but right now she says no democrat should worry about this so I'm not worried.
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Originally posted by King Maxx
Sanders is grasping for air at this point. He won like 10 states. If he got the super delegates for those states, he still won't gain that much to overtake Hillary's pledged & super delegates.
And they didn't do that for the last elections. Why know? I really dislike that about him. You're new to this party. Don't come and change our rules, policies, etc. Idc if u disagree. 
EDIT: Wait not him wanting super delegates in states Clinton won. His argument is basically what Clinton is winning on right now. Such a stupid comment  |
No. The rules were only changed 1972, and now even some of the the strongest and most established Democrats have voiced opposition to Super-delegates, including House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi.
The Super-delegate system is pretty disastrous, it's a fraud. Just because it serves in favor of Clinton this cycle around, doesn't mean you have to support it and call people out for opposing it, especially with the weak, resentful and divisive "we were Democrats before you were" argument; let's not forget whom many Democrats were during the 1800's, you know, back when you weren't even born yet.
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Originally posted by alexanderao
Mississippi & Wyoming say hi.
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Hmm, depends on how you define conservative. To me, what I meant by that was the chances of winning the state. In 2012, 2004, and 2000 the democratic nominee got the least percentage of support in UT than any other state in the GE. Probably even farther back too. Wyoming is up there! Not sure about MS only because it has a size able black population
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Originally posted by D_Man3379
I trust in Hillary's word that nothing will come out of this. If something does I'll be severely dissapionted, but right now she says no democrat should worry about this so I'm not worried. |
Ok, I just don't want to be worried. It was a very compelling read.
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The hacking collective Anonymous have declared 'all out war' on Trump with a massive cyberattack. I'm intrigued to see what they're going to do to him.
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
No. The rules were only changed 1972, and now even some of the the strongest and most established Democrats have voiced opposition to Super-delegates, including House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi.
The Super-delegate system is pretty disastrous, it's a fraud. Just because it serves in favor of Clinton this cycle around, doesn't mean you have to support it and call people out for opposing it, especially with the weak, resentful and divisive "we were Democrats before you were" argument; let's not forget whom many Democrats were during the 1800's, you know, back when you weren't even born yet.
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Yes 1972 is a long time ago. Super delegates have been a thing for the last 44 years, and not once has a candidate had more pledged delegates and lost because of super delegates. And it's def not happening this election cycle. Super delegates are fine. If Bernie was winning in overall pledged delegates, we should then have this conversation.
Like I've been saying for some time, super delegates are simply just there to prevent someone like Trump from ever ruining the Democratic Party. Aren't Bernie, his team, and supporters saying that those votes aren't final until the convention? If Bernie wins states and comes within a few delegates behind Hillary, then yes the super delegates should change. However, it's not an issue right now.
And I don't need to support or oppose anything that has little to no effect.
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Good news for Hillary: Obama Approval Rating at 50+, higher than where it was during his re-election campaign. Bodes well for the GE.
Imagine Hillary, Bill, Obama, Biden, Warren, Sanders + all her current state surrogates on the campaign trial.
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
No. The rules were only changed 1972, and now even some of the the strongest and most established Democrats have voiced opposition to Super-delegates, including House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi.
The Super-delegate system is pretty disastrous, it's a fraud. Just because it serves in favor of Clinton this cycle around, doesn't mean you have to support it and call people out for opposing it, especially with the weak, resentful and divisive "we were Democrats before you were" argument; let's not forget whom many Democrats were during the 1800's, you know, back when you weren't even born yet.
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Super delegates definitely have their flaws, but the Republicans are probably wishing they had them right now. They're a fine safety measure, in my opinion, in the case of someone who is insane and is trying to hijack the party. They are never really an issue in the sense of winning the nomination for someone. They typically go with who won the most pledged delegates. So, I don't see a problem now. I do think their should be some form of safety measure, from the party's point of view.
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I low key want Sanders to become president so that the Arab countries can SEETHE seeing a Jew as POTUS! ... just imagine him having a state visit to Saudi Arabia 
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Originally posted by Radiance
Good news for Hillary: Obama Approval Rating at 50+, higher than where it was during his re-election campaign. Bodes well for the GE.
Imagine Hillary, Bill, Obama, Biden, Warren, Sanders + all her current state surrogates on the campaign trial.
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Holy **** yes! 
EDIT: Has anything interesting happened for the past two days or so? I haven't been as active because this weekend has been awful.
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Originally posted by Bloo
Holy **** yes!
EDIT: Has anything interesting happened for the past two days or so? I haven't been as active because this weekend has been awful. |
More protests for Trump. Hillary has been MIA for the most part. She goes back on the campaign trail tomorrow. Nothing else really happened. Tomorrow all 5 candidates will be doing a interview on CNN. (Bernie will be interviewed on the campaign trail, but the other 4 will be in one building together)
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Member Since: 8/6/2015
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Originally posted by Bloo
Holy **** yes!
EDIT: Has anything interesting happened for the past two days or so? I haven't been as active because this weekend has been awful. |
Nope... Hillary's been holding fund raisers and resting up for this week. She's back on the campaign trail (in arizona) starting tomorrow. Nothing interesting has happened besides a new speech from trump and Bernie gave a press conference right on the border of arizona and mexico..
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