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Discussion: Zero Idol Groups in the west: Why?
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Originally posted by Heirloom
yeah cutesy visuals is kinda acquired taste 
Let them be like that and just enjoy the music sist  |
Ofc, I've been doing this since like 2005 lol.
Anyway, if I'll have the possibility, I'd love to produce a western idol group in the future 
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because its not something culturally accepted here, I guess?
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Originally posted by JonginBey
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let them break the barrier in Korea, first
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Originally posted by Nathan's Nicely
because its not something culturally accepted here, I guess?
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That's the point. But I don't get why, seriously.
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Originally posted by ZENO
That's the point. But I don't get why, seriously.
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xenophobia and racism against asians, it has become the norm in america
and people like to pretend to be above the ~trainee thing and see kpop as manufactured, soulless music
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Originally posted by ZENO
Violetta could be considered an idol imo, even if that's the character of a TV Series.
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Oh i see. I agree, i think Disney still tries to make "Idol Groups" with things like High School Musical and Violetta. They are meant to become role models, sing and dance so i guess they apply. But yeah, there aren't much of them making it big in the West outside of Disney!
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Member Since: 8/27/2012
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Originally posted by Nathan's Nicely
xenophobia and racism against asians, it has become the norm in america
and people like to pretend to be above the ~trainee thing and see kpop as manufactured, soulless music
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Absolutely agree on everything. It's funny when the truth is that most of the times asian artists make better music compared to western artists, their productions are simply superior on almost every aspect, the MVs alone >>>>>>>>>>>
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One Direction. Fifth Harmony. Etc.
Plenty of other groups have tried, too 
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Originally posted by ZENO
Absolutely agree on everything. It's funny when the truth is that most of the times asian artists make better music compared to western artists, their productions are simply superior on almost every aspect, the MVs alone >>>>>>>>>>>
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but you forgot idol music and imagery is !!!too polished!!!! 
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One Direction. Fifth Harmony. Etc.
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those aren't "idol groups"
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Originally posted by alestevens
Oh i see. I agree, i think Disney still tries to make "Idol Groups" with things like High School Musical and Violetta. They are meant to become role models, sing and dance so i guess they apply. But yeah, there aren't much of them making it big in the West outside of Disney!
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Disney doesn't really make idol groups imo, BUT they do create some TV Series with an "idol" theme, eg. Hannah Montana / Violetta. It would be nice to see idols here in the west anyway, people complain about little girls following "wrong models" but in reality, there aren't many "good models" imo and some idol groups could represent those.
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I feel like Hannah Montana/Katy Perry is as close to an idol as we've gotten the past few years. And maybe some of the other teen stars.
I'm sure cultural differences play the biggest role. The cutesy thing doesn't really work to that extreme in the US. You're just labeled as appealing only to little girls. I mean, look at what this site's members (mostly westerners) say about Katy's demographic all the time. "only kids stan for her" yada yada.
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Originally posted by Nathan's Nicely
but you forgot idol music and imagery is !!!too polished!!!!
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I know what you mean, that's why I said "asian artists" haha
You can take idol music, pop music, hip hop music, electronic music, their production is most likely going to be superior if compared to most of western productions.
- The training
- The visuals
- The choreographies
- The music
Western artists almost don't dance anymore, only a few of them 
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Originally posted by ZENO
I know what you mean, that's why I said "asian artists" haha
You can take idol music, pop music, hip hop music, electronic music, their production is most likely going to be superior if compared to most of western productions.
- The training
- The visuals
- The choreographies
- The music
Western artists almost don't dance anymore, only a few of them |
oh no, I don't mean it I was just making fun of those who say it 
I completely agree with you, especially as far as choreography goes
over here we aren't seeing more than hair flips and booty pops
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Bieber, 1D, 5h, and Little Mix are idol groups in everything but name. Black Magic and Sledgehammer could be easily sung by a J-pop girl group
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Originally posted by Newt
I feel like Hannah Montana/Katy Perry is as close to an idol as we've gotten the past few years. And maybe some of the other teen stars.
I'm sure cultural differences play the biggest role. The cutesy thing doesn't really work to that extreme in the US. You're just labeled as appealing only to little girls. I mean, look at what this site's members (mostly westerners) say about Katy's demographic all the time. "only kids stan for her" yada yada.
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I think it's the same here in Europe, and especially here in Italy, where we basically never had an idol group. I think the closest example is "Non È La Rai" a 90s TV Show
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Originally posted by Nathan's Nicely
because its not something culturally accepted here, I guess?
let them break the barrier in Korea, first |
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Bieber, 1D, 5h, and Little Mix are idol groups in everything but name. Black Magic and Sledgehammer could be easily sung by a J-pop girl group
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I agree with this, and that's the first thing I thought when I listened to it, in fact, I actually love it 
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Originally posted by Nathan's Nicely
oh no, I don't mean it I was just making fun of those who say it
I completely agree with you, especially as far as choreography goes
over here we aren't seeing more than hair flips and booty pops |
I know! I know! It's funny tho, we used to have so many artists who had choreographies in their videos back in the 90s-early 00s 
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In Japanese pop culture, an idol (アイドル aidoru?, a Japanese rendering of the English word "idol") is a young trained star/starlet marketed as someone to be admired, usually for their cuteness. Idols are intended to be role models. They are supposed to have a good public image and be good examples to young people. Idols aim to play a wide range of roles as media personalities (tarento), e.g. pop singers, panelists of variety programs, bit-part actors, models for magazines and advertisements
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Absolutely dead at this
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Originally posted by ZENO
Disney doesn't really make idol groups imo, BUT they do create some TV Series with an "idol" theme, eg. Hannah Montana / Violetta. It would be nice to see idols here in the west anyway, people complain about little girls following "wrong models" but in reality, there aren't many "good models" imo and some idol groups could represent those.
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Now that i've been thinking, i think it has a lot to do with Western culture. As i said before, Disney is the closest we have to an Idol-Factory, and look at how much most of Disney's artist struggle to make it into the mainstream once their show ends.
You also see how a lot of Disney stars try to pretend they were never in Disney once they want to go mainstream.
I mean, if you think about it, Disney stars are often treated as "manufactured" and "not to be taken seriously" by the public, which is the main thing going against Idol Groups happening in Western Culture too!
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