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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Originally posted by Istan4R
Yes generalize us!
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It's hard not to.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Andres
You are no different, you said you'd vote Trump over Bernie so why so hypocritical?
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First of all y'all claim all the time Hillary is to the right and I'm a centrist so she fits in nicely. Trump is literally a liberal republican so many of his views on certain issues I can agree with. Bernie is as far left as they come so no, it is not the same people voting for Trump if Bernie loses.
Second, this was before his KKK rant. You keep up with me so you should have known I denounced Trump and said I would support Bernie over him if they're the two nominees. If I'm lucky Hillary won't allow that to happen.
But of all people to call me hypocritical you're the last one to want to try that with me.
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Originally posted by RatedG²
First of all y'all claim all the time Hillary is to the right and I'm a centrist so she fits in nicely. Trump is literally a liberal republican so many of his views on certain issues I can agree with. Bernie is as far left as they come so no, it is not the same people voting for Trump if Bernie loses.
Second, this was before his KKK rant. You keep up with me so you should have known I denounced Trump and said I would support Bernie over him if they're the two nominees. If I'm lucky Hillary won't allow that to happen.
But of all people to call me hypocritical you're the last one to want to try that with me.
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LOL @ all of that. Hypocrite ain't no one worried about you, hypocrite.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Andres
LOL @ all of that. Hypocrite ain't no one worried about you, hypocrite.
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Then stop quoting me and keep it moving. Thanks boo
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Then stop quoting me and keep it moving. Thanks boo
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You must feel so important that someone quoted you from 2 pages ago  you. are. laughable
anyway
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Originally posted by foxaylove
Because a "political revolution" doesn't start from the top down, it starts from the bottom up. Your HOUSE REPS and SENATORS is where the revolution should start. Fill those vacancies with the Progressives that fit the ideology of the movement. Congress is where the legislation starts and they can by-pass the POTUS and his/her veto with 2/3 support. Change at the top isn't gonna fix the problems at the bottom, who really have the most power. Sure a President has an Executive Action power, but a President can also be impeached with congress, so there is that. The bottom has power, you just need to have the people there.
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Where does it state that a political revolution MUST start from the bottom up?
That's just what you want it to be. It can start from anywhere, all we need is the right leader.
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Member Since: 4/6/2011
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Originally posted by HausofNiko
My school has lots of Bernie support and today this Bernie Stan was talking to a trump Stan saying "man im gonna spend lots of money on college next year" and the Trump Stan angerily replied by saying "well isn't BERNIE SANDERS going to pay for your college" and they awkwardly separated
Later in the day the Trump Stan slammed into the Bernie Stan in the hallway out of nowhere pushing him into a wall and yelled "Would BERNIE SANDERS clear the hallway for you"
I screamed it was such a mess. Trump stans are so extra
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dddddd; Trump stans are truly the lowest form of human life. 
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Originally posted by Marvin
But there has to be someone leading. Bernie (or any presidential candidate in general) is the only person that can reach all areas of the country. Most people only worry about their state's Congress members. There has to be someone with a big enough audience, and Bernie has the platform. A potential member of Congress won't.
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I agree, a front-runner for the presidency is the right platform to organize that change. However, the mindset that the President themselves will create that change is misleading. You have to inspire, encourage, and support people to get on the Progressive Change bandwagon and run for office. Then get that crowd to vote those people into office not just during a President Election year, but outside ones as well. I think he's using the platform correctly, but instead of embracing that what he's saying and forcing people like Hillary further left, several of his supporters would rather rip her to shreds and announce if she wins, they're out and she flip flops. But it's an election, so I get it. Single-Pay Healthcare isn't going get through congress in 8 years or 4 years for that matter. It took the Affordable Health Care Act decades to get approved, with modifications made over those decades to make it more appealing to moderates and liberals, before it got the support it needed from Dems to make that surge ahead.
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
A lot of people can get elected off of a president's coattails. Sanders didn't really start the "revolution" anti-wall street sentiment was strong before his candidacy. He's tapping into anger that is already there. Yea, he's fanning the flames more, but it was there before him. Do you remember the occupy Wall Street movement?
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Yes, I know. The 2011 Occupy Wall Street movement had to do with the 99% vs the 1%. Protests taking place nationwide, lasting months. Several riots came from it and the emergence of Elizabeth Warren. She became the biggest Populist leader that risen at that time; majority of the country were acquainted with her (most in part due to her speech at the 2012 DNC). Yes, people can get elected from a President's coattails, but not most or majority. It depends on the candidate and if their message resonates with their constituents.
I just don't see Single-Payer and free college for everyone as a option to be implemented anytime soon. Especially in a lop-sided controlled GOP congress. I don't even see us regaining control of the Senate in 2016. Maybe in 2018 and that's a big maybe.
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Originally posted by Andres
You must feel so important that someone quoted you from 2 pages ago you. are. laughable |
u sure seem like a pleasant person
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Originally posted by HausofNiko
My school has lots of Bernie support and today this Bernie Stan was talking to a trump Stan saying "man im gonna spend lots of money on college next year" and the Trump Stan angerily replied by saying "well isn't BERNIE SANDERS going to pay for your college" and they awkwardly separated
Later in the day the Trump Stan slammed into the Bernie Stan in the hallway out of nowhere pushing him into a wall and yelled "Would BERNIE SANDERS clear the hallway for you"
I screamed it was such a mess. Trump stans are so extra
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I would love for somebody to help my poor ass pay for college.  Too bad it would never happen. I would probably not get into any of my classes. I'm curious how that would work.
Trump stans are trash
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Hillary Clinton is running for president on an extremely progressive policy platform. This fact has been drowned out somewhat by Bernie Sanders’ calls for a social democratic revolution, not to mention the Trumpian drama that's on the verge of shredding the Republican Party to bits. But it’s true: While the message hasn't always come across very clearly, Clinton has campaigned on things like universal pre-K, guaranteed paid family leave, a significantly higher minimum wage, debt-free college tuition, and, to fund much of it, higher taxes on the wealthy.
And that tax plan is very progressive. On Thursday, the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center released an analysis projecting that Clinton's plans would haul in more than $1 trillion in extra federal taxes over their first decade. More than 77 percent of that money would come from the top 1 percent of taxpayers; more than 50 percent would come from the top 0.1 percent. That may not sound like soaking the rich to your typical Bernie voter, but keep this in mind: The expiration of the Bush tax cuts for top earners, which required a fierce political showdown back in 2012, was only projected to bring in about $624 billion over a decade. Hillary's plan is far more ambitious by comparison.
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/...ogressive.html
In case any of you missed the Tax Plan Hillary released the other day. It's getting some praise from blogs the past couple of days.
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The latest labor market reckoning out from the Bureau of Labor Statistics Friday showed stronger than anticipated job growth and signs that discouraged workers are not only jumping back in the game, but also finding work quickly when they do. Wages proved a weak point in February, but most economists don’t yet see the dip as cause for concern.
The new data shows employers in the United States adding 242,000 jobs last month. The BLS report also shows the unemployment rate at 4.9%, maintaining the eight-year low it first hit in January. Economists had been calling for around 200,000 payroll additions in February and for the unemployment rate to remain steady.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/samantha.../#51967f8734b4
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The Sun Sentinel of South Florida and the Orlando Sentinel have endorsed Hillary Clinton in advance of Florida’s March 15 Democratic primary. The Sentinel also endorsed Marco Rubio on the Republican side, while the Sun Sentinel refused to.
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http://www.politicususa.com/2016/03/...-emoprogs.html
That's great news for Hillary with the Florida contest coming up in two weeks.
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The fact that this man could possibly become president is just...
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by foxaylove
I agree, a front-runner for the presidency is the right platform to organize that change. However, the mindset that the President themselves will create that change is misleading. You have to inspire, encourage, and support people to get on the Progressive Change bandwagon and run for office. Then get that crowd to vote those people into office not just during a President Election year, but outside ones as well. I think he's using the platform correctly, but instead of embracing that what he's saying and forcing people like Hillary further left, several of his supporters would rather rip her to shreds and announce if she wins, they're out and she flip flops. But it's an election, so I get it. Single-Pay Healthcare isn't going get through congress in 8 years or 4 years for that matter. It took the Affordable Health Care Act decades to get approved, with modifications made over those decades to make it more appealing to moderates and liberals, before it got the support it needed from Dems to make that surge ahead.
Yes, I know. The 2011 Occupy Wall Street movement had to do with the 99% vs the 1%. Protests taking place nationwide, lasting months. Several riots came from it and the emergence of Elizabeth Warren. She became the biggest Populist leader that risen at that time; majority of the country were acquainted with her (most in part due to her speech at the 2012 DNC). Yes, people can get elected from a President's coattails, but not most or majority. It depends on the candidate and if their message resonates with their constituents.
I just don't see Single-Payer and free college for everyone as a option to be implemented anytime soon. Especially in a lop-sided controlled GOP congress. I don't even see us regaining control of the Senate in 2016. Maybe in 2018 and that's a big maybe.
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I think it does take time. Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter did change their respective parties towards neoliberalism and away from Keynesian economics. I think if Bernie gets the nomination, then the rest of the party will start to embrace some of Bernie's proposals, and the Party platform would move away from neoliberalism. Honestly, I think that could still happen even if Hillary is the nominee. She's already moved to the left, and she will have to govern that way if she doesn't want to piss off a lot of Democrats. Congressmen and Senators will either slowly change or start to face some primary challengers, similar to what the Republican Party did in 2010. It actually seems to be easier to change the party when your the minority.
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Political twitter has become so toxic, I just can't deal with it anymore
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Hillary will be at the Fox News Townhall, despite saying she couldn't because of her busy schedule
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Member Since: 6/28/2008
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Originally posted by Istan4R
Hillary will be at the Fox News Townhall, despite saying she couldn't because of her busy schedule
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 queen of scheduling
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Member Since: 12/7/2011
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I'm starting to lean towards Hillary now, and less towards Trump. ONLY if it's true that my bae Bill will be her selected VP 
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Member Since: 1/20/2012
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Originally posted by nnnnnn
I'm starting to lean towards Hillary now, and less towards Trump. ONLY if it's true that my bae Bill will be her selected VP
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Bill... Clinton?
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