[Citrus]

Originally posted by blackbeatxx

to those who don't like Bernie; is he considered too socialist for y'all?

I guess? He's too far left for me.

[rivers]

Originally posted by blackbeatxx

to those who don't like Bernie; is he considered too socialist for y'all?

I don't mind Bernie and I like a few of his ideas but I don't think his plans are in the country's best interests right now.

[Bloo]

Originally posted by blackbeatxx

to those who don't like Bernie; is he considered too socialist for y'all?

No... It's so many other things. It's mainly that I want a commander-in-chief as president, not an idealist. I really do like Bernie, but I don't see him as a president. He has struggled with foreign policy from day 1 and that's a very important issue for me. Secondly, I'm much more of an incrementalist in nature. I don't like very sudden change. I'd rather make steps towards huge change and analyze the impact of that change as we go along so that we can adjust if something turns out the way we weren't expecting and such. I don't like radical change. Aside from that, Hillary and Bernie aren't that different. Hillary has had more experience and first-hand knowledge of what a president deals with and I trust her preparedness over Bernie's. I also think she has a lot more breadth in her policy proposals than Bernie.

I am more of a moderate overall. I'm left, but I'm not as far left as Bernie is and that makes me a bit uncomfortable. I also worry about his ability to work with Republicans given he's proposed no way to actually tackle the gridlock that Obama has faced with a Republican congress. When asked about that, he simply said he would "Get it done." That doesn't convince me of anything. Hillary has worked with Republicans and is more moderate overall and I have more faith in that.

Give him a cabinet a position, though, and I would be happy.

[King Maxx]

Originally posted by blackbeatxx

to those who don't like Bernie; is he considered too socialist for y'all?

He's too focused on one thing, he doesn't seem to really do foreign policy well, Hillary's the better candidate and more inspirational to me personally, he's a far bit to the left for me, he doesn't really take into account the other party, his plans to get things done don't add up, and he's not cozy enough with Obama and his policies enough. And yes this is an Obama coalition. The Reps have Reagan. We have Obama. Build on the progress we've made not go in a different direction.

[Bloo]

Originally posted by Marvin

I never said that. He's receiving the most bipartisan support from voters, and stuff like going on Fox News and spreading his message will make even more Republicans receptive to him.

What state are you from? I'm from a red state and I've been seeing more and more "Anyone but Bernie" posts from my Republican friends. They hate Hillary for being Hillary. But they hate Bernie as a politician and everything he stands for. He struggles to get heavy democratic support. He needs to worry about appealing to that base before he worries about getting Republican support for the time being since the democrats are voting for Hillary in the masses over him in the primary.

[King Maxx]

Originally posted by Andres

Why do you think she said no? (assuming she really did)

Because they hate her, and it's a lost cause. She can spend more time trying to win in places she needs it most. Fox won't help her in any way. Plus they will surely try to "expose" her

[King Maxx]

I find it funny tonight that Rubio said this election was important for them to win because 1) Bernie is a socialist 2)Hillary is a liar who lied to the American people and families of Benghazi

So they're more focused on her behavior than her policies. Yes because they know her's are much better than theirs.

[hooky]

Apparently Steve Harvey endorsed Hillary (don't know if this was mentioned).

Does that make this a Bernie endorsement?

[Andres]

Originally posted by Bloo

No... It's so many other things. It's mainly that I want a commander-in-chief as president, not an idealist. I really do like Bernie, but I don't see him as a president. He has struggled with foreign policy from day 1 and that's a very important issue for me. Secondly, I'm much more of an incrementalist in nature. I don't like very sudden change. I'd rather make steps towards huge change and analyze the impact of that change as we go along so that we can adjust if something turns out the way we weren't expecting and such. I don't like radical change. Aside from that, Hillary and Bernie aren't that different. Hillary has had more experience and first-hand knowledge of what a president deals with and I trust her preparedness over Bernie's. I also think she has a lot more breadth in her policy proposals than Bernie.

I am more of a moderate overall. I'm left, but I'm not as far left as Bernie is and that makes me a bit uncomfortable. I also worry about his ability to work with Republicans given he's proposed no way to actually tackle the gridlock that Obama has faced with a Republican congress. When asked about that, he simply said he would "Get it done." That doesn't convince me of anything. Hillary has worked with Republicans and is more moderate overall and I have more faith in that.

Give him a cabinet a position, though, and I would be happy.

He has addressed it with "we need a political revolution" *hand movements* and it won't be easy but real change isn't supposed to be easy.

& to comment on your Obama gridlock part, what makes you think Hillary will be any different. Do you think Repubicans really hate her any less?

This is exactly why we need Bernie, Bernie is the only one that's willing to go in guns blazing, he's not going to just sit back while Republicans & Democrats gridlock everything, he's going to get the American people to get out and get involved so we don't allow our political system to get gridlocked.

His mentality is what this country needs. Not people who want to just conform all the time. (Which is something democrats do way to often while Republicans never bend)

[hooky]

Originally posted by King Maxx

I find it funny tonight that Rubio said this election was important for them to win because 1) Bernie is a socialist 2)Hillary is a liar who lied to the American people and families of Benghazi

So they're more focused on her behavior than her policies. Yes because they know her's are much better than theirs.

More like it's important for them to win so the party doesn't completely die

[Marvin]

Originally posted by Bloo

What state are you from? I'm from a red state and I've been seeing more and more "Anyone but Bernie" posts from my Republican friends. They hate Hillary for being Hillary. But they hate Bernie as a politician and everything he stands for. He struggles to get heavy democratic support. He needs to worry about appealing to that base before he worries about getting Republican support for the time being since the democrats are voting for Hillary in the masses over him in the primary.

Florida. I don't really use Facebook often but I'd imagine it's a pretty even mix of Bernie/Clinton/Trump support tbh. I assume most of the posts from your friends called him a socialist who wants to give away everything for free?

On other sites I see the "Anyone but Clinton" comments all the time. The reason I said he gets the most bipartisan support (meaning he has more Republican support than Hillary while the Republican candidates also have less support from the Democrats) is 1) the polls were kinda suggesting it and 2) the amount of comments I've seen online where a Republican said they plan on voting for Bernie. There's even a Facebook and Reddit for it. I know it's all anecdotal but I haven't seen the same for any of the other candidates.

[D_Man3379]

Originally posted by King Maxx

I find it funny tonight that Rubio said this election was important for them to win because 1) Bernie is a socialist 2)Hillary is a liar who lied to the American people and families of Benghazi

So they're more focused on her behavior than her policies. Yes because they know her's are much better than theirs.

He's a moron. Poor Little Marco.

[rivers]

Originally posted by hooky

Apparently Steve Harvey endorsed Hillary (don't know if this was mentioned).

Does that make this a Bernie endorsement?

[blackbeatxx]

interesting, thanks. i appreciate your points.
i think it has been a good thing, wether he loses or not, that he came around and stirred around the pot so to speak. he seems like he's having the grassroots, young and poor workers with him and i like that he's not backed up with gazillions of dollars.
in a way, he seems to be the left equivalent of Trump in that matter, he challenges the party traditionals and stirrs around the pot, and getting workers votes.
and that both have had such success will make an impression on what's left of this campaign and on future policies!

that said, i also think it may be for the best with Hillary in charge.

[Andres]

Originally posted by King Maxx

He's too focused on one thing, he doesn't seem to really do foreign policy well, Hillary's the better candidate and more inspirational to me personally, he's a far bit to the left for me, he doesn't really take into account the other party, his plans to get things done don't add up, and he's not cozy enough with Obama and his policies enough. And yes this is an Obama coalition. The Reps have Reagan. We have Obama. Build on the progress we've made not go in a different direction.

This robot talking point is tired.

Bernie has addressed every single issue Hillary has and has a plan for it.

Go read about every one of them on his website https://berniesanders.com/issues/

[Bloo]

Originally posted by Andres

He has addressed it with "we need a political revolution" *hand movements* and it won't be easy but real change isn't supposed to be easy.

Political revolution as president? I don't buy it. Further, he never details what that even means.

& to comment on your Obama gridlock part, what makes you think Hillary will be any different. Do you think Repubicans really hate her any less?

For one, she has less radical policy proposals. It will be a LOT easier to build on Obamacare than to start a new universal healthcare system. It will also be a LOT easier to get a $12 minimum wage than a $15 minimum wage.

This is exactly why we need Bernie, Bernie is the only one that's willing to go in guns blazing, he's not going to just sit back while Republicans & Democrats gridlock everything, he's going to get the American people to get out and get involved so we don't allow our political system to get gridlocked.

I don't see that working in Washington DC. And the American people are lazy af. I don't see them standing up alongside the president. I just don't buy it. I think you're really believing too much in this political revolution, and the problem is that's Bernie's answer for everything. Revolutions don't take place by the face of the current system of a country. That's exactly what the president is in our country.

His mentality is what this country needs. Not people who want to just conform all the time. (Which is something democrats do way to often while Republicans never bend)

Then he should start a revolution outside the presidential seat. I just don't buy it. Further, I don't know what he's trying to revolutionize.

[Andres]

Originally posted by Bloo

Political revolution as president? I don't buy it. Further, he never details what that even means.


For one, she has less radical policy proposals. It will be a LOT easier to build on Obamacare than to start a new universal healthcare system. It will also be a LOT easier to get a $12 minimum wage than a $15 minimum wage.


I don't see that working in Washington DC. And the American people are lazy af. I don't see them standing up alongside the president. I just don't buy it. I think you're really believing too much in this political revolution, and the problem is that's Bernie's answer for everything. Revolutions don't take place by the face of the current system of a country. That's exactly what the president is in our country.


Then he should start a revolution outside the presidential seat. I just don't buy it. Further, I don't know what he's trying to revolutionize.

Why wouldn't he lead the revolution as the most powerful man on earth? What a terrible argument.

But seriously? You don't know what he wants to revolutionize? You don't know or you don't think anything needs to change in our political system today?

[Orpheus]

I have to be honest, I really really don't understand his definition of political revolution. It's just as confusing as his definition of religion or spirituality.

I agree there needs to be shift in Washington, but the practical steps to doing that has not been elaborated upon. It sounds too familiar to what Obama said and tbh, little has happened on this.

[manwhore]

The establishment is the media and mainstream media is the problem alongside Hillary.. Dont get me wrong i still like Hillary but between her and Bernie, Bernie is the truth but realistically he will not be the dem nominee

[LuLuDrops]

Florida's Governor Rick Scott said he's not endorsing anyone Poor Rubio