[Uknowitbeb]

Originally posted by RatedG²

That Sit In Photo May Not Be Bernie Sanders

I just saw this being discussed on CNN. Honestly the whole thing is a bit disengenuous by the detractors. Who cares if it's not Bernie? He still has had a commitment to civil rights at the time and he still is trying to earn the black vote (too little too late IMO but hey he's trying) and that should matter most. Sure he's misleading people if the researchers are correct in saying this isn't him because he and his spokesperson said it was him and said the cameraman can vouche but overall it's a non issue. The media does too much sometimes

I just saw it too. I think its safe to say who CNN is rooting for. Idk that host's name but he was def biased when it came to Hill.

[Moonchild]

I don't think that the entire presidential race is sexist, but there are real sexist elements to this campaign that I think are being ignored or dismissed. You can see it when people call Clinton's laughs "cackles," call her shrill, call her loud and aggressive when she raises her voice (whereas Bernie practically screams half the time and is seen as vocal and "passionate"), criticize her for being polished when there's not a chance in hell that a female politician could have messy hair and an ill-fitting wardrobe and be as unpolished as Bernie is.

Hillary is seen as "cold" when hardly any male candidate gets extensively criticized for personability. She would be absolutely crucified for unrealistic and overly general goals if she said half of what Bernie did. She would be cast aside as unknowledgable and silly if she knew next to nothing about a policy area like Bernie does with foreign policy. She gets blamed for her husband's affairs when it would absolutely never happen the other way around. She's one of the most experienced candidates in U.S. history, and I'm fairly certain that any male candidate with her résumé wouldn't face half the hurdles she does.

[Gladion]

Oh i forgot their was a debate, any video where I can watch online?

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by HausofNiko

Oh i forgot their was a debate, any video where I can watch online?

CNN will replay it in 8 mins

[Gladion]

Originally posted by Benzene

That criticism of Hillary is so dumb, she wasn't even 20 yet. I was a Republican in high school too. And?

Transparent is running to Al Sharpton the second a state that's less than 90% white comes up on the primary calendar.

!!! Times have changed and people change with time

Hillary is now fully grown, so things she supported 40 years ago have changed drastically now

[Gladion]

Originally posted by RatedG²

CNN will replay it in 8 mins

Thanks

[feelslikeadream]

Originally posted by HausofNiko

Oh i forgot their was a debate, any video where I can watch online?

It's also on YouTube, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLugOx47KI0

[Gladion]

"Lady Gaga knows exactly what she is doing." -- Marco Rubio

https://twitter.com/ScottWalker/stat...77699649437697




Hmm, which ever candidate praises gaga the most and gaga likes the most will get my support

[Gladion]

Thanks for the link / notice btw. Will watch in a bit and post my thoughts

[Temporal]

So is there a way to see where the candidates are going be in the next few weeks, like a tour schedule? Bernie's site doesn't have ****, and I just want to see the older ****er (I'd also be up for seeing Hillary as well). I'm in Austin, TX if that helps at all

[Marvin]

Originally posted by Uknowitbeb

I just saw it too. I think its safe to say who CNN is rooting for. Idk that host's name but he was def biased when it came to Hill.

Definitely. Look at the reporter's reaction @0:44

[Retro]

Originally posted by Andres

the silence is daunting

We've seen the video about forty times in here, pardon us if we don't care do address it again.

[Moonchild]

Originally posted by HausofNiko

"Lady Gaga knows exactly what she is doing." -- Marco Rubio

https://twitter.com/ScottWalker/stat...77699649437697

Hmm, which ever candidate praises gaga the most and gaga likes the most will get my support

Gaga gave a concert for the Clinton Foundation and Hillary was bopping. Vote for her.

[King Maxx]

Originally posted by ClarksonSlays

So is there a way to see where the candidates are going be in the next few weeks, like a tour schedule? Bernie's site doesn't have ****, and I just want to see the older ****er (I'd also be up for seeing Hillary as well). I'm in Austin, TX if that helps at all

HRC:
http://hillaryspeeches.com/scheduled-events/
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/events/

But new events are added like everyday.

[Retro]

Originally posted by Marvin

Definitely. Look at the reporter's reaction @0:44

After seeing the debate, I'd have to say I'd give anyone the same reaction.

[Corsola]

Originally posted by RatedG²

That Sit In Photo May Not Be Bernie Sanders

I just saw this being discussed on CNN. Honestly the whole thing is a bit disengenuous by the detractors. Who cares if it's not Bernie? He still has had a commitment to civil rights at the time and he still is trying to earn the black vote (too little too late IMO but hey he's trying) and that should matter most. Sure he's misleading people if the researchers are correct in saying this isn't him because he and his spokesperson said it was him and said the cameraman can vouche but overall it's a non issue. The media does too much sometimes

I saw this article but it's just attempted slander

Like I'm a Hillary supporter myself but it's obvious they're a huge one and trying to slander Bernie with it but it backfired. There's MANY more pictures of him protesting proving it's actually him

[Marvin]

Originally posted by Moonchild

I don't think that the entire presidential race is sexist, but there are real sexist elements to this campaign that I think are being ignored or dismissed. You can see it when people call Clinton's laughs "cackles," call her shrill, call her loud and aggressive when she raises her voice (whereas Bernie practically screams half the time and is seen as vocal and "passionate"), criticize her for being polished when there's not a chance in hell that a female politician could have messy hair and an ill-fitting wardrobe and be as unpolished as Bernie is.

Hillary is seen as "cold" when hardly any male candidate gets extensively criticized for personability. She would be absolutely crucified for unrealistic and overly general goals if she said half of what Bernie did. She would be cast aside as unknowledgable and silly if she knew next to nothing about a policy area like Bernie does with foreign policy. She gets blamed for her husband's affairs when it would absolutely never happen the other way around. She's one of the most experienced candidates in U.S. history, and I'm fairly certain that any male candidate with her résumé wouldn't face half the hurdles she does.

But here's been tons of comments in this thread alone about how unrealistic Bernie is and how he knows nothing about foreign policy (which isn't true).

Considering that she was extremely involved in her husband's presidency, I don't think it's unfair to blame her as well (unless you're talking about his actual affair with Monica which would definitely not be right). She gave speeches agreeing with what Bill was doing so it's not like she had no say in anything.

And yes she's experienced (she's been in a political office for most of her life), but plenty of people see her as a liar that's controlled by money and the establishment She's very untrustworthy to a lot of people. No male candidate she's up against has had controversies like Benghazi or the email-server issue. You need more than just experience to be a President.

[Temporal]

Originally posted by King Maxx

HRC:
http://hillaryspeeches.com/scheduled-events/
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/events/

But new events are added like everyday.

Holy **** she's in Austin on Wednesday Let me buy a ticket

Edit: nvm

[Moonchild]

Originally posted by Marvin

But here's been tons of comments in this thread alone about how unrealistic Bernie is and how he knows nothing about foreign policy (which isn't true).

Considering that she was extremely involved in her husband's presidency, I don't think it's unfair to blame her as well (unless you're talking about his actual affair with Monica which would definitely not be right). She gave speeches agreeing with what Bill was doing so it's not like she had no say in anything.

And yes she's experienced (she's been in a political office for most of her life), but plenty of people see her as a liar that's controlled by money and the establishment She's very untrustworthy to a lot of people. No male candidate she's up against has had controversies like Benghazi or the email-server issue. You need more than just experience to be a President.

Yes, we're saying it in this thread, but Bernie isn't being torn apart in the media or by the general populace for it.

I specifically meant Bill Clinton's actual sexual affair(s), which Hillary gets a lot of blame for by ignorant people. But I still don't think it's fair to hold her accountable for Bill's action. She was undoubtedly influential as First Lady and had Bill's ear and gave him advice, but she ultimately couldn't publicly go against him. It's always been and always will be the job of the First Lady/Gentleman to support their spouse's policies. There's evidence of Hillary working against DOMA behind the scenes, for instance, so not everything Bill did was reflective of her thinking

Benghazi and the email controversy are intensely partisan in nature; they have only been drummed up to hurt her image--as seen by the 11-hour testimony which produced nothing and past government officials maintaining private email accounts for state business. As Retro said before, millennials weren't around for Whitewater or even Lewinsky. So, it's very likely that the distrust stems from Benghazi and the emails when, on the whole, they've both been thinly-veiled smear campaigns.

[Retro]

Originally posted by Marvin

But here's been tons of comments in this thread alone about how unrealistic Bernie is and how he knows nothing about foreign policy (which isn't true).

Considering that she was extremely involved in her husband's presidency, I don't think it's unfair to blame her as well (unless you're talking about his actual affair with Monica which would definitely not be right). She gave speeches agreeing with what Bill was doing so it's not like she had no say in anything.

And yes she's experienced (she's been in a political office for most of her life), but plenty of people see her as a liar that's controlled by money and the establishment She's very untrustworthy to a lot of people. No male candidate she's up against has had controversies like Benghazi or the email-server issue. You need more than just experience to be a President.

No male candidate she's up against is Hillary Clinton. Like, does this really need saying? Her husband's administration was actually amazingly successful. She was a a part of that success and championed liberal causes - Hillarycare, hello - from early on in her high-profile time as First Lady. I don't want to use the term "vast right-wing conspiracy" or anything, but the conservative establishment has been trying to inspire hatred and distrust for her since the moment she hit the scene as First Lady, precisely because of the fact that her husband defeated an incumbent Republican and had great Democratic success as a president and because she took such an active role. Let me remind you that no Clinton scandal has ever materialized into a conviction or acknowledgement of true wrongdoing on Hillary's part; the only thing that came close for either Clinton, actually, was for Bill because of the things that led to his impeachment.

The trustworthiness problem she has is very much engineered by the right wing and to a lesser extent by sexism. She testified for over eleven hours about Benghazi in the middle of a campaign; the FBI investigation into her emails has expanded well beyond her and beyond even her aides to former Secretaries of State; no prior Hillary "scandal" yielded conviction or reprimanding or any official acknowledgement of wrongdoing by anyone. And still somehow, these issues persist. Why? Why are people giving credence to a GOP witch-hunt and an argument over what should be classified and what shouldn't? Why are people now questioning her trustworthiness when eight years of a voting record backs up most of her words? Why are we reviving the ghosts of former Clinton scandals to put her candidacy into question now?

None of it really makes sense to me.