[Haunter]

Why aren't nuns banned as well?

[KimmyBella]

Poor Janet

[hooky]

Originally posted by borntodiethisway

Why aren't nuns banned as well?

A nun's dress is closer to a hijab than a burqa/niqab. The eyes aren't covered.

[Reader]

Originally posted by Glamorous

Of course the whites in this thread will play the saviour game, pretending to be devoted to the rights and protection of Muslim womyn while simultaneously slandering their religion and practices because it makes THEM uncomfortable.

The fact that you whites will nitpick over Islam's 'atrocities' in the past, failing to acknowledge that Islam pioneered modern science and mathematics - that, without Islam, the world would be a lot different - is beyond me. (Renaissance writers, philosophers and theologians stole from Islamic literature and theories.) You fail to understand that white Christians literally enslaved, raped, exploited and stole from people around the world for hundreds of years - A LOT longer and more viciously than those damned Mozlimz! And yet, Christian terrorist groups still plague the west, but of course they aren't significant enough, it's solely 'those towel-headed camel riders' who want to destroy humanity.

As much as you'd like to think this is a war against the West - it isn't. White people interfere so much with Middle Eastern topics, thinking their misinformed understandings, and how uncultured they are, are advanced enough to tackle Islam. WRONG. This is a Muslim issue which globally affects more Muslims than any other religion. Whites can't control their hurt feelings then wonder why there is such a magnitude of hostility towards such laws from Muslims. Stripping Muslims of their religious garments, as if the average Muslim is a terrorist, is so dehumanising and intolerant. It baffles me that THIS is the level of terror among white people and what they feel appropriate to accomplish instead of solidarity and respect. The fact that it's even a viable discussion, as if it concerns you all that much.

I say whites and not Christians or non-Muslims in general because it's the whites who feel Muslims owe them an apology, who continuously complain that 'if a woman went to their countries dressed in a bikini she would be stoned' (how ironic that these whites only care about their women and their men failing to understand how different cultures work. Though, to some extent, it regards religion, this is primarily a cultural thing. Stop likening sexual prowess and body confidence to the pinnacle of female advancement and remember that culture differs worldwide. What your white saviour instinct seems 'oh so insufferable and crude' is not the case in different parts of the world - and not just women covering themselves up either. LOL!!!)

The burqa and hijab are not the problem but paranoia and decades of propaganda. For people who pride themselves in NOT being SJWs, you sure are an easily offended bunch.

Also, just an observation, but is there a reason why pretty much every single person with an ignorant and terribly offensive mindset in this thread is a Britney Spears fan?

Can you understand how your mindset could be seen as offensive? You literally judge a whole race of people as "uncultured" (lol) and then try to play ATRLSJW saviour of tha ppls!!

Burka/niqab are not generally accepted in Europe, as seen by many countries setting laws in place to combat the culture. No-one is stopping you from covering every inch of what makes you identifiable in SA or Iran, but it doesn't fly in Europe - it doesn't fit within the parameters of OUR culture and lifestyle, which is paramount over Islamic belief as the soil stood on is European, classically Christian, and certainly not Islamic.

[PhoeniX~]

This is an attack on religious freedom, and it's appalling. Surely there was a better solution to this.

[PhoeniX~]

And to all those that say they banned this because of a security risk, how is it fair that when Halloween comes around, people can still cover their faces to the point of being unrecognizable, therefor, unindetifiable, and wear masks, veils, and all sorts of things that cover their face. Surely this is also a security risk? But why isn't this banned?
This is an outright attack on religious freedom. The ones applauding this are hypocrites, and ignorant.

[TMTURKEY]

[Reader]

Originally posted by PhoeniX~

And to all those that say they banned this because of a security risk, how is it fair that when Halloween comes around, people can still cover their faces to the point of being unrecognizable, therefor, unindetifiable, and wear masks, veils, and all sorts of things that cover their face. Surely this is also a security risk? But why isn't this banned?
This is an outright attack on religious freedom. The ones applauding this are hypocrites, and ignorant.

Try walking into a bank wearing a face mask.

You have to show respect to the host country. That's why I didn't show affection to bae in Egypt, for example. Another example being western journalists dressing modestly and covering their hair while in Muslim countries. Walking around with your face covered arouses suspicion in Europe, so respect should be demonstrated.

[PhoeniX~]

Originally posted by Reader

Try walking into a bank wearing a face mask.

You have to show respect to the host country. That's why I didn't show affection to bae in Egypt, for example. Another example being western journalists dressing modestly and covering their hair while in Muslim countries. Walking around with your face covered arouses suspicion in Europe, so respect should be demonstrated.

So, by your logic, a religiously devout Muslim woman must disobey a harmless religious tenant, dear to her faith, in order to satisfy ignorant, uncultured people, in complete disregard for religious freedom? I'm sorry, but your point is laughable and wreaks of ignorance.
Back to the my counter argument, when is there going to be regulations on Halloween, to ban face masks, and face makeup that renders the wearer unrecognizable and unidentifiable, as it poses the same security threat a burqa/niqab wearing Muslim does?

[Reader]

Originally posted by PhoeniX~

So, by your logic, a religiously devout Muslim woman must disobey a harmless religious tenant, dear to her faith, in order to satisfy ignorant, uncultured people, in complete disregard for religious freedom? I'm sorry, but your point is laughable and wreaks of ignorance.
Back to the my counter argument, when is there going to be regulations on Halloween, to ban face masks, and face makeup that renders the wearer unrecognizable and unidentifiable, as it poses the same security threat a burqa/niqab wearing Muslim does?

Not wearing burka or niqab wouldn't be disobedient towards Islam as that style of dress is purely cultural and not deemed a requirement of a female Muslim. So if anything, it's a dampener on cultural expression rather than religious.

Wearing a Halloween mask in somewhere like a bank poses an equal security risk than wearing a niqab would, yes. But Halloween masks are not worn on the daily. And again, respect and tolerance to the host nation is paramount. What if western women travelling to countries or provinces where covering the face/hair is a cultural norm demanded to be treated differently? They would be deemed as disrespectful.

At the least.

[PhoeniX~]

Originally posted by Reader

Not wearing burka or niqab wouldn't be disobedient towards Islam as that style of dress is purely cultural and not deemed a requirement of a female Muslim. So if anything, it's a dampener on cultural expression rather than religious.

Wearing a Halloween mask in somewhere like a bank poses an equal security risk than wearing a niqab would, yes. But Halloween masks are not worn on the daily. And again, respect and tolerance to the host nation is paramount. What if western women travelling to countries or provinces where covering the face/hair is a cultural norm demanded to be treated differently? They would be deemed as disrespectful.

At the least.

Call it what it is, it's still a practice some hold close to their faith. Freedom of choice, and harmless actually.

And by your logic, just because Halloween isn't everyday, means there's no security risk of those mask wearers and extravagant makeup adorners, or there's a slight risk, but it's negligible because the risk just last a day? Wow, what a wonderful thought. Hey, let's let the TSA have a special day off one day. Heck, let's give the police their own special day off too! What harm can be done in a day?

[Reader]

Originally posted by PhoeniX~

Call it what it is, it's still a practice some hold close to their faith. Freedom of choice, and harmless actually.

And by your logic, just because Halloween isn't everyday, means there's no security risk of those mask wearers and extravagant makeup adorners, or there's a slight risk, but it's negligible because the risk just last a day? Wow, what a wonderful thought. Hey, let's let the TSA have a special day off one day. Heck, let's give the police their own special day off too! What harm can be done in a day?

Bit I bolded. No, you are wrong sis. It is purely cultural and nothing to do with faith. If you could be incorrect about something as basic as that, I don't hold out much hope for you tbh. or see much point conversing with you on the topic....

Just noticed your racist baiting in another thread so I'll imma put this down to uneducated casual trolling.

Finally here's a tip; someone cannot "wreak of ignorance", they would reek.

[PhoeniX~]

Originally posted by Reader

Bit I bolded. No, you are wrong sis. It is purely cultural and nothing to do with faith. If you could be incorrect about something as basic as that, I don't hold out much hope for you tbh. or see much point conversing with you on the topic....

Just noticed your racist baiting in another thread so I'll imma put this down to uneducated casual trolling.

No you're wrong- it has everything to do with the Islamic faith and their religious views. I'm an ex-Muslim, so please don't bother on this topic or tell me what's false. Islam urges women to cover themselves in certain manners, and the niqab and bayya are one type of clothing some Muslim women prefer. So as you see, it most certainly is a part of their faith. And I knew that no one could counter my argument against a proposed Halloween regulation, without proving how this ban in Switzerland is an attack on religious freedom, but at least you tried it.

[Tropez]

Originally posted by PhoeniX~

No you're wrong- it has everything to do with the Islamic faith and their religious views. I'm an ex-Muslim, so please don't bother on this topic or tell me what's false. Islam urges women to cover themselves in certain manners, and the niqab and bayya are one type of clothing some Muslim women prefer. So as you see, it most certainly is a part of their faith. And I knew that no one could counter my argument against a proposed Halloween regulation, without proving how this ban in Switzerland is an attack on religious freedom, but at least you tried it.

The religious covering is a cultural thing. There was a time where many Islamic countries didn't have their women covered up.

And you can't come to a country and make them change things to bend for your will. If that were the case a Westerner has every right to go to a Islamic country and disobey their social norms.

[Reader]

Originally posted by PhoeniX~

No you're wrong- it has everything to do with the Islamic faith and their religious views. I'm an ex-Muslim, so please don't bother on this topic or tell me what's false. Islam urges women to cover themselves in certain manners, and the niqab and bayya are one type of clothing some Muslim women prefer. So as you see, it most certainly is a part of their faith. And I knew that no one could counter my argument against a proposed Halloween regulation, without proving how this ban in Switzerland is an attack on religious freedom, but at least you tried it.

Covering the face or hair is common among women who are Muslim, as a result of cultural tradition. It is not a requirement of Islam, though.

Halloween = a cultural norm in Western society.

Wearing face masks to go trick'r'treating with your friends from school =/= covering your face on the daily and being unrecognisable all the time while in public. Your strawman argument was an utter fail, henny, that's why I didn't bother the first time I replied but should be crystal clear to you now I would hope.

[vamp]

In all sincerely. A lot of rights are banned in predominantly muslim countries. Why don't we talk about that instead?

[PhoeniX~]

Originally posted by Tropez

The religious covering is a cultural thing. There was a time where many Islamic countries didn't have their women covered up.

And you can't come to a country and make them change things to bend for your will. If that were the case a Westerner has every right to go to a Islamic country and disobey their social norms.

No, you are completely wrong and ignorant, just as most ATRL posters are in this thread on this issue. If you want proof that religious covering in Islam is in fact ISLAMIC, then look no further:

"Ayesha (R) reported that Asmaa the daughter of Abu Bakr (R) came to the Messenger of Allah (S) while wearing thin clothing. He approached her and said: 'O Asmaa! When a girl reaches the menstrual age, it is not proper that anything should remain exposed except this and this. He pointed to the face and hands." (Abu Dawood)


"O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women to draw their outer garments around them (when they go out or are among men). That is better in order that they may be known (to be Muslims) and not annoyed..." (Qur'an 33:59)

"Say to the believing man that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that will make for greater purity for them; and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do. And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; and that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands..." (Qur'an 24:30-31)

For more information -> http://islamic-world.net/sister/what_allah_states.htm

Just don't try to speak on matters that you are completely uneducated on, makes you look quite dumb, sorry
And on your second point, you have to realize the majority of the Islamic world is backwards. You would think that in the modern world, where religious freedom is protected by the universal Decleration of human rights, you could openly practice with no problem or interference. But no, and that's truly sad.

[Drama]

This is hot tho

[PhoeniX~]

Originally posted by Reader

Covering the face or hair is common among women who are Muslim, as a result of cultural tradition. It is not a requirement of Islam, though.

Halloween = a cultural norm in Western society.

Wearing face masks to go trick'r'treating with your friends from school =/= covering your face on the daily and being unrecognisable all the time while in public. Your strawman argument was an utter fail, henny, that's why I didn't bother the first time I replied but should be crystal clear to you now I would hope.

I've already proved the hijab and niqab are indeed parts of the Islamic faith by citing the Prophet of Islam's sayings, and texts from the Quran in my post above. Sorry, but you're indeed wrong and uneducated on this matter. Please get educated and then comeback and let's try this again.
And my argument still stands, and so does its logic, which in contrast to yours, you basically said one day doesn't matter in terms of security risks of certain Halloween costumes. Sorry, like I've already stated before, your logic is severely flawed and with your inability to counter and try to provide some sort of acceptable answer on the issue, you're continuosily just rehashing your replies and reiterating your ignorance. I'm not bothering with your ignorant self anymore.

[that G.U.Y.]

Sad the world has to be like this.