[Adonis]

Originally posted by Giselle

Like what?

She voted for the CISA bill. When CISA failed congress snuck it into a must pass budget bill so it would be hard to track. This is the most recent offense. This bill seeks to reward/compel companies to add back doors into your computing devices so the government can track you. The problem is that bad guys like terrorists and identity thieves will use these same back doors to gain access to you and your information.

She also sponsored a law that would've made companies responsible for the online piracy of their users. The bill was so board and basically had every tech company coming out against it openly.

She only recently changed her position on immigration from a Donald Trump like stance to an open borders advocate once she became senator.

She also voted for the Patriot Act and the NDAA. These bills allow the government to spy on US citizens and detain them indefinitely without possibility for a trial or due process.

In 2011, she almost got the government shut down by voting to not pay the bills of the American people because we didn't cut enough money out from the already underpriviledged.

She also voted for extending the Bush tax cuts right after she claimed we needed balanced budgets in 2011. She's about as bad if not worse than Hillary on the issues.

[Melquiades]

Originally posted by MAKSIM

Bernie Sanders says Planned Parenthood is part of the establishment he is fighting against.

Two days later

He never said that. He said the leaders of PP are establishment. And thats just the TEA.

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by Melquiades

He never said that. He said the leaders of PP are establishment. And thats just the TEA.

But he didn't.

He said "Some of these groups are, in fact, a part of the establishment.” hours after HRC and PP endorsed Clinton

It wasn't the leaders he attacked but the groups themselves. And now he backtracked because his words were stupid. Good on him for noticing

[Giselle]

"Hillary will NOT be indicted."

Queen Ann has spoken.

[Javan]

Originally posted by RatedG²

But he didn't.

He said "Some of these groups are, in fact, a part of the establishment.” hours after HRC and PP endorsed Clinton

It wasn't the leaders he attacked but the groups themselves. And now he backtracked because his words were stupid. Good on him for noticing

Ok. But as you said it was hours after HRC and PP endorsed Hillary so I think we can understand who the statement was actually targeted to.

Why else would he call those groups "part of of the establishment". It's not even consistent with anything else he's said in his running. Sounds like you're being pedantic and petty.

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by Javan

Ok. But as you said it was hours after HRC and PP endorsed Hillary so I think we can understand who the statement was actually targeted to.

Why else would he call those groups "part of of the establishment". It's not even consistent with anything else he's said in his running. Sounds like you're being pedantic and petty.

But I'm not the one who called the Human Rights Campaign and Planned Parenthood "part of the establishment". The same establishment he seems to put a negative image on and the same establishment he and his supporters want to get rid of. It was his poor choice of words not mine

He's petty because they didn't endorse him. Had they both endorsed him he would've said nothing of the sort about either group (or as someone else speculated, their leader). In fact his whole tune would be different. Just shows how he's pandering to his own fans and isn't even serious about what he says

[Giselle]

I'm still screaming @ the Bernie supporters crying 'HRC and PP didn't have a member vote! '

[Javan]

Originally posted by RatedG²

But I'm not the one who called the Human Rights Campaign and Planned Parenthood "part of the establishment". The same establishment he seems to put a negative image on and the same establishment he and his supporters want to get rid of. It was his poor choice of words not mine

Indeed it was a poor choice of words. Hence he tried to clarify it. If you look at the situation in greater context (including his track record on women's rights/abortion/embryonic stem cell research etc) it's quite clear what he meant. You know better, let's not.

Originally posted by RatedG²

He's petty because they didn't endorse him. Had they both endorsed him he would've said nothing of the sort about either group (or as someone else speculated, their leader). In fact his whole tune would be different. Just shows how he's pandering to his own fans and isn't even serious about what he says

I don't see how it makes him petty to call them out. Would he have known each and every organisations methodology of endorsing candidates before hand? Isn't the grievance here that organisations with an open vote all supported Bernie and organisations with a closed vote exclusive to executive members all supported Hillary. Closed votes are elitist and less democratic. And there are red flags to suggest that they are here to preserve the establishment.

For example, one of the executive members of HRC has been named Mike Berman. Google him, not only does he have a history with the Clintons but he is the president of a lobbyist firm that works for Comcast and health Insurance companies.
Two of the key missions of Bernie's running is CFR and Single Payers health care.
I'm not trying to be condescending but I'll explain it anyway just to save the time. CFR is a threat to media outlets as they make a sizeable if not most of their revenue from advertisements, particularly regarding elections. Single payer health care allows the government to bargain with insurance companies to get cheaper deals for it's customer, which will reduce their power to exploit the masses with pricey contracts.
These are 2 distinctive platforms Hillary is not running on, it is in the best interest of these corporate representatives such as Mike Berman who make up the HRC to endorse her, over Bernie. That is what it means when Bernie calls them the establishment.

Do tell me if you understand.

[Javan]

Originally posted by Giselle

I'm still screaming @ the Bernie supporters crying 'HRC and PP didn't have a member vote! '

Do you ever have anything interesting to add the discussion? You know outside of superfluous derision? Because if it's intelligence, that you want to imitate (convincingly), it's going to take a lot more than condescending smilies, sweedum.

[Giselle]

Originally posted by Javan

Do you ever have anything interesting to add the discussion? You know outside of superfluous derision? Because if it's intelligence, that you want to imitate (convincingly), it's going to take a lot more than condescending smilies, sweedum.

Do you? Typing paragraph upon paragraph doesn't mean much if the content is nonsense, hun. If intelligent things are being discussed, then I will gladly engage. But what I will not do is entertain a bunch of brick walls who aren't saying much of value. Chanel and RatedG2 are better than me because they'll go back and forth on the vast right wing conspiracies (boy, the sanders supporters have really fell for the traps) and I will not. Bill is a former governor & President and is now a respected elder statesman. Hillary is a former FLOTUS, Senator and Secretary of State. They are the most powerful couple in the history of politics. Of course they have friends in high places. What exactly is there to prove? YES, they are establishment and I ain't mad at it. The Sanders supporters are so anti-establishment, but then would like the backing of that very same establishment. The man has identified as an independent socialist for decades, has bashed the democratic party, and now people think he can just say 'Hey! I'm a democrat now!' and expect people to fall in line? No. Not quite. People have been asking Hillary about a run since she was elected Senator of New York. Back in 2012 when she was leaving the State Department, people were asking for her to be made VP. Then the thirst for her to run REALLY intensified. People want her. People have wanted her for years. Bernie is an indepent socialist who just transferred over to the party just to have a bigger platform, Hillary is the top active Democrat in the country.

And they are both being treated as such.

[Skywalker]

Isn't Bill one of the most respected Presidents of all time, no matter how much Republicans have hated him? It's weird to see so much vitriol for him pop up when I remember everyone praising him throughout both the Bush and Obama administrations

[that G.U.Y.]

Me when Hillary snaTches Iowa

[Javan]

Originally posted by Giselle

Do you? Typing paragraph upon paragraph doesn't mean much if the content is nonsense, hun. If intelligent things are being discussed, then I will gladly engage. But what I will not do is entertain a bunch of brick walls who aren't saying much of value. Chanel and RatedG2 are better than me because they'll go back and forth on the vast right wing conspiracies (boy, the sanders supporters have really fell for the traps) and I will not. Bill is a former governor & President and is now a respected elder statesman. Hillary is a former FLOTUS, Senator and Secretary of State. They are the most powerful couple in the history of politics. Of course they have friends in high places. What exactly is there to prove?

Way to deter from the point. Which is:
1. All organisations whom selected their endorsements by the most democratic means endorsed Bernie. None for Hillary.
2. Leadership in organisations such as the HRC and PP are comprised of corporate representatives, that will vote in best interests of corporations (as opposed to the people), voted for Hillary. So they are in fact here to preserve the establishment.

Originally posted by Giselle

YES, they are establishment and I ain't mad at it. The Sanders supporters are so anti-establishment, but then would like the backing of that very same establishment.

Oh so you don't care. Well there's not much I can say about that. That's your personal preference. But I will address the bull**** that is the bolded. Had those organisations conducted open votes and chose Hillary you'd have a point. But they didn't. They were endorsements by corporate representative and the elite, not the organisations membership at large. Now it would be alarming if they chose to endorse Bernie, when the proposed foundations of his campaign would hurt them [corporate interest] so greatly. The fact they didn't endorse him only reaffirms Bernie supporters that he's not a corporatist.

Originally posted by Giselle

Back in 2012 when she was leaving the State Department, people were asking for her to be made VP. Then the thirst for her to run REALLY intensified. People want her. People have wanted her for years. Bernie is an indepent socialist who just transferred over to the party just to have a bigger platform, Hillary is the top active Democrat in the country.

And now Bernie is giving her a run for money with less name recognition, when her invisible primary started 4 years ago and he's only had his name "on tumblr" for a minute. I can see why you're bothered.

[MillionLights]

Originally posted by Javan

Do you ever have anything interesting to add the discussion? You know outside of superfluous derision? Because if it's intelligence, that you want to imitate (convincingly), it's going to take a lot more than condescending smilies, sweedum.

The absolute irony

[Javan]

Originally posted by MillionLights

The absolute irony

No irony here, hun. I never said he couldn't be condescending as well as appearing intelligent. I said it will take more than some cute lil cackle emojis to achieve his desired affect. Nice try tho.

[Javan]

And clearly he absorbed my advice, because what followed was a truly appreciated [attempt of a] response, with some resemblance of substance. Thank you, Giselle. Your effort was not overlooked.

[Giselle]

Originally posted by Javan

Way to deter from the point. Which is:
1. All organisations whom selected their endorsements by the most democratic means endorsed Bernie. None for Hillary.
2. Leadership in organisations such as the HRC and PP are comprised of corporate representatives, that will vote in best interests of corporations (as opposed to the people), voted for Hillary. So they are in fact here to preserve the establishment.

As I've stated plenty of times, the HRC and PP are not unions. They are private organizations. There would be no logical reason to hold a "member vote" (I know the ahh emoticon really grinds your gears, so I'll refrain from using it right here). And I'll say it again: had they chosen Bernie to endorse, none of this would be coming up. No one would be crying for a vote.

Oh so you don't care. Well there's not much I can say about that. That's your personal preference. But I will address the bull**** that is the bolded. Had those organisations conducted open votes and chose Hillary you'd have a point. But they didn't. They were endorsements by corporate representative and the elite, not the organisations membership at large. Now it would be alarming if they chose to endorse Bernie, when the proposed foundations of his campaign would hurt them [corporate interest] so greatly. The fact they didn't endorse him only reaffirms Bernie supporters that he's not a corporatist.

Oh but sweetheart it's not BS. That's why they're so outraged. They WISH the HRC would back Bernie, as with PP. They WISH the DNC would do things to favor Bernie. The very establishment they complain about is the one they want on their side.

And now Bernie is giving her a run for money with less name recognition, when her invisible primary started 4 years ago and he's only had his name "on tumblr" for a minute. I can see why you're bothered.

I'm not bothered. I simply find his supporters annoying & usually more on the dense side of things. I can see why you and the other Conspiracy Theorists are bothered though, considering "big old establishment Hillary " is still the front runner.

#1 17 years ago and still #1 today.
Oh my goodness. How does that happen?

[Adonis]

I don't care that HRC got those endorsements. I just think it was bad form seeing as Bernie is more liberal on both of the issues these groups support. The support didn't make me want to vote for Hillary. It made me like Bernie more TBQH.

[Moonchild]

I find it odd that Bernie supporters get mad over the PP endorsement considering women's rights is one of the few issues Hillary has remained consistent on for her entire career.

[Ramcoro]

Originally posted by Moonchild

I find it odd that Bernie supporters get mad over the PP endorsement considering women's rights is one of the few issues Hillary has remained consistent on for her entire career.

Yea, PP makes sense, HRC doesn't but whatever.

Again, I think we should stop bickering about what's "establishment" and what's not. You all are just using it as a buzz word, a trigger word.