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News: Muslim Woman Mocked & Kicked Out of Trump Rally
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Originally posted by Lararen
1. It was done on purpose  ????
2. That's not how 90% of the slaves were taken you think the majority of the population of Africa at the time were prisoners???? Where did you hear that?  |
1. To be fair, most of the disease stuff was genuinely unintentional on account of them having S*** medical care and practically no one knowing how this stuff worked.
2. Mess xInfinity. It was WHITE prisoners/debters being taken on as indentured servants  They were taking black slaves right outta Africa and everyone knows it
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Originally posted by Manimuni
Hardworking people who are simply concerned for their safety and the wellbeing of their nation... (even if a very small portion of them express it in discriminatory ways). Sounds like most people in most countries to me.
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Hmm, sounds a lot like what's happening with Islam, doesn't it?
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I can see the clash of liberalism vs. conservatism in here.
The Muslim woman wanted to show a kind of a civil disobedience by going there and silently protesting so that she would gain support for the liberals by getting kicked off and showing how Muslims are being repressed.
Trump, however, is entitled to his views and all he wants is a more secure America. I understand his point of view, as Islam is a specific religion. The biggest problem is the controversial concept of "moderate Islam", which according to the liberals is compatible with the Western world and generally no different than any other religion.
However, not everyone believes in such a thing. Those Muslims may not be conducting jihad but they still are a part of religion which is as progressive as Christianity 500 years ago. Moreover, there isn't really widespread opposition towards radical Islam amongst them and if there is, it's marginal compared to the amount of Muslims in Western societies. This is very dangerous and, knowing the current demografic situation in Europe, makes people wonder if "moderate Muslims" are still going to cultivate Western culture when they become a significant group in European countries.
Unfortunately, I don't believe it's going to happen. In Europe, Muslims do not integrate and form ghettos in which they attempt to enforce shariah laws. This causes concern and calls into question the righteousness of the concept of multiculturalism.
My opinion on this issue is that both sides are wrong. Trump is wrong with the ideas of killing people and deporting law obedient citizens. The liberals are wrong for continuous attempts to relativise Islam with other religions and hiding crimes committed by Muslims (what is and has been happening in Europe and probably in America as well). If I were an American, I'd oppose accepting any Muslim migrants for security reasons, at least until the current American Muslim community fully integrates and it is sure that there won't be any cases of crimes committed because of "different cultural standards". However, the state should support the integration of Muslims into American culture and values.
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Originally posted by Idontcareaboutyou
1. Not all historians agree.
2. http://www.theguardian.com/world/200...se-slave-trade
There were no states as we know them in Africa back then (hell even in Europe they were fragile). You had ethnic tribes fighting out and the winning tribe would more often than not be able to take prisoners among the losing tribe and sell them as slaves for money. |
This is one media source with statements that are not entirely accurate the entire slave trade over a period of hundred of years sent that many, Nigeria is one country in Africa and that is not where all the slaves came from, not to mention the fact that once demand increased europeans realized they did not have to pay for prisoners if they had guns and weapons, numerous kings and african nations fought against them...
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Originally posted by GoneHome
What privilege??? Women are able to drive by themselves in the UAE. Spewing false statements to get your point across won't help your case my friend
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Do you actually believe women of Arab heritage can drive without fear in UAE in all of its regions? Law doesn't work the way you westerners think it does in ME, it's not like in your land. This is ME, rise and shine. In UAE all women have to have a legal male guardian, they can't marry without their guardian's approval. Heck most women can't even go out for a walk without their guardian's knowledge, cuz if anything should happen to that woman, her legal guardian will be held responsible by the society.
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Originally posted by Minajesty
Hmm, sounds a lot like what's happening with Islam, doesn't it?
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Quick! Someone nuke Agrabah! It sounds vaguely Islamic!
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Originally posted by Jan
Trump, however, is entitled to his views and all he wants is a more secure America. I understand his point of view, as Islam is a specific religion. The biggest problem is the controversial concept of "moderate Islam", which according to the liberals is compatible with the Western world and generally no different than any other religion.
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No one in this thread is criticizing Trump so why are you bringing him up? The issue here is with the defense of the people AT the rally who accused her of having a bomb purely for her religious beliefs
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Originally posted by Nialler
You're comparing someone with a real cause to someone who just thought she will go to a rally and expose a few Trump supporters  |
The Muslim woman wasn't promoting anything negative, though. She was advocating peace, hence the message on her shirt? lol
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Originally posted by popmagic
Do you actually believe women of Arab heritage can drive without fear in UAE in all of its regions? Law doesn't work the way you westerners think it does in ME, it's not like in your land. This is ME, rise and shine. In UAE all women have to have a legal male guardian, they can't marry without their guardian's approval. Heck most women can't even go out for a walk without their guardian's knowledge, cuz if anything should happen to that woman, her legal guardian will be held responsible by the society.
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You don't live there, people who did said otherwise
Stop telling these lies
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Originally posted by Lararen
This is one media source with statements that are not entirely accurate the entire slave trade over a period of hundred of years sent that many, Nigeria is one country in Africa and that is not where all the slaves came from, not to mention the fact that once demand increased europeans realized they did not have to pay for prisoners if they had guns and weapons, numerous kings and african nations fought against them...
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10 to 28 million people during that time span is absolutely huge. It may not seem so today because there are 7 billion people on earth but there were barely 500M people on the entire planet in 1500 and 980M in 1800.
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the racist gay republicans on atrl... i don't understand you. like the cognitive dissonance you must be experiencing is just too much. 
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Originally posted by Idontcareaboutyou
10 to 28 million people during that time span is absolutely huge. It may not seem so today because there are 7 billion people on earth but there were barely 500M people on the entire planet in 1500 and 980M in 1800.
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This was between the years of 1450 and 1800s.. Africa is also quite populous and definitely had the population for that figure to be accurate..
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Originally posted by LoKoPaNdA
Oh, so if she had been Muslim she would have been an attention *****? |
*christian tears* 
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What was she expecting? They wouldn't have thrown her out of she didn't wear a hijab.
In all honesty if a Jew or Christian did this in a muslim country they would have been killed.
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Originally posted by Repo
No one in this thread is criticizing Trump so why are you bringing him up? The issue here is with the defense of the people AT the rally who accused her of having a bomb purely for her religious beliefs
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I already expressed my opinion on this. The post brought up the root of the problem behind all of this mess and was my attempt to bring the discussion towards the concept of integration of Muslims into the Western societies - which is the cause for all these radically differing views.
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Originally posted by Jan
Those Muslims may not be conducting jihad but they still are a part of religion which is as progressive as Christianity 500 years ago. Moreover, there isn't really widespread opposition towards radical Islam amongst them and if there is, it's marginal compared to the amount of Muslims in Western societies. This is very dangerous and, knowing the current demografic situation in Europe, makes people wonder if "moderate Muslims" are still going to cultivate Western culture when they become a significant group in European countries.
Unfortunately, I don't believe it's going to happen. In Europe, Muslims do not integrate and form ghettos in which they attempt to enforce shariah laws. This causes concern and calls into question the righteousness of the concept of multiculturalism.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. I hope your opinion is shared by the vast majority of Polish people as I never want to see hard earned European values to wither.
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Originally posted by popmagic
Do you actually believe women of Arab heritage can drive without fear in UAE in all of its regions? Law doesn't work the way you westerners think it does in ME, it's not like in your land. This is ME, rise and shine. In UAE all women have to have a legal male guardian, they can't marry without their guardian's approval. Heck most women can't even go out for a walk without their guardian's knowledge, cuz if anything should happen to that woman, her legal guardian will be held responsible by the society.
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You're definitely mixing up UAE with Saudi Arabia because none of that applies.
Check your Google sources before you post. You're probably looking at the 11 things Saudi Arabia women can't do article that I found when I looked to see what you were going on about
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Originally posted by Lararen
This was between the years of 1450 and 1800s.. Africa is also quite populous and definitely had the population for that figure to be accurate..
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Yes, I know. But you seemed to be saying that that many people in a time span of several centuries was not that much when it's huge. Hell, in total about 12 million were shipped across the Atlantic (with many more bought) so that figure actually accounts for the vast majority.
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Originally posted by vamp
What was she expecting? They wouldn't have thrown her out of she didn't wear a hijab.
In all honesty if a Jew or Christian did this in a muslim country they would have been killed.
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Why compare America to Muslim countries, though?  And you can't just say that either.
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Originally posted by GoneHome
You're definitely mixing up UAE with Saudi Arabia because none of that applies.
Check your Google sources before you post.
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I am aware Saudi women are banned by law to drive. I am not mixing them up, I am trying to tell you just because there isn't a law in place for UAE does not necessarily mean women are able to drive alone. Heck, even in Turkey most women can't drive alone in fear.
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