[Alexis Neiers]

scrolling through this thread w/ my eyes closed bc I haven't watched the finale yet. Is it that bad?

[C/H/A/N/E/L]

Originally posted by C/H/A/N/E/L

But the audience doesn't hate them. They love them. The show is made for people who LOVE the Chanels. It's not sending the message that you shouldn't be like them. No one's gunning for them getting comeuppance.

I repeat this.

The show didn't demonize them in the end. It let them be HAPPY. Saying it's the meds or that they're not being bitches anymore is false. It's ********. They got to live happily and rule another institution. You cannot say the show turned against them in the end. It didn't. Maybe that's your interpretation, but that was far from Ryan's intentions.

[Brunette Ambition]

i can't at this thread being a replicia of the show.

The Chanel-fans meltdowning, writing essays over how bad the finale is and some others being the Graces and Zaydays and enjoying how it ended and that there was some kind of justice.

[Retro]

Originally posted by Repo

If we can call her homophobia, classisim, narcissism, self-absorption, bullying, overall spiteful cruely, and attempted murders "relative based on ethic and morality," then her racism definitely falls in there too. (Obviously, I condone none of it)

Morality isn't quite this relative. She's a pretty rotten person through and through, and I think Oberlin herself would admit she's a terrible human being if you asked her. She'd act like that's a good thing, but that girl was literally a psychopath.

Yeah, but when you're as stupid and vapid as Chanel O, it kinda will. As said, this girl admitted to attempted murder in an email and recorded herself attempting to commit murder. Someone like that will ALWAYS crash and burn.

But morality is actually like, entirely relative. Ethics and morals aren't just dictated by society around an individual; there's a highly individualistic component to their formation as well. No matter what the case, whether a person sees their own behavior as acceptable or not is a result of a complex interaction between outward pressures from society and inward perceptions of the world around them.

I'm not going to say that Chanel was written with this in mind, since she was clearly written to he the meanest person on TV, but this is something I like to talk about and analyze pretty often, and she fits the bill. What makes someone truly "bad?" Are there any objective qualifiers for that perception, or is everything relative, subjective, and determined by how we perceive actions and values?

I just think it's interesting. Part of why I like Chanel is probably because of my unique (among my peers in real life) view of morality and ethics.

And yes, I'm the kind of gay who grew up entirely understanding why Regina George was awful and still entirely wanting to totally be her.

[C/H/A/N/E/L]

Originally posted by Brunette Ambition

i can't at this thread being a replicia of the show.

The Chanel-fans meltdowning, writing essays over how bad the finale is and some others being the Graces and Zaydays and enjoying how it ended and that there was some kind of justice.

THERE WAS NO JUSTICE

Everyone lived and got a happily ever after.

I hate the finale because it was poor writing & execution and a lackluster way to end this roller coaster of a show, but I also don't think it's fair to say the Chanels "lost" or that the show turned against them. That's like saying Chad's sensitive and moral because he said "it'll take me weeks to get over Boone's death".

[Ariel]

Originally posted by Alexis Neiers

scrolling through this thread w/ my eyes closed bc I haven't watched the finale yet. Is it that bad?

Only if you were expecting a complex backstory and really shocking reveal

But that's just my opinion, I still enjoyed it when I got over it.

[Desire]

I actually enjoyed the finale

Sure the theories y'all made was great but did you really expect it to be that good

[Gee]

Originally posted by C/H/A/N/E/L

THERE WAS NO JUSTICE

Everyone lived and got a happily ever after.

I hate the finale because it was poor writing & execution and a lackluster way to end this roller coaster of a show, but I also don't think it's fair to say the Chanels "lost" or that the show turned against them. That's like saying Chad's sensitive and moral because he said "it'll take me weeks to get over Boone's death".

You've spent the entire morning/afternoon repeating yourself.

[Austin]

So I've just watched it and these are my thoughts:

The writing of these characters is just SO inconsistent. All the Chanels attempted murder scenes were so unnecessary and added nothing to the show. Chanel still could have killed Ms Bean and pushed Chanel #6 down the stairs if it had been in an 'OMG i didn't mean for that to happen way', it took her bitchiness way too far. Her character would have been so much better if she was just consistently a bitch but not evil. Same with the Dean. Her killing her ex husband was very out of character and added nothing to the plot.

Hester being the RD is so lazy Chanel #5 or Grace would have been better

Not enough people died. Chad & Wes are definitely expendable, and 2 popular characters should have died (One Chanel and Zaday or Grace).

Just so many loose ends Pete being an assistant was a mess. I think he should have been an interceptor of his own accord. Also who killed Gigi? Both Hester and Pete denied it, and Boone was already dead. I also think it would have been great if Chanel #5 was feeding the Dean information, which would explain how she knew everything and could have survived multiple attempts on her life.

Most of all I can't believe they didn't kill Chad and West

[C/H/A/N/E/L]

Originally posted by Gee

You're spent the entire morning/afternoon repeating yourself.

Because these folks genuinely think the show was suddenly trying to serve Lifetime special morals in the finale when the fact is the finale was just lazily and horribly written. I keep thinking it'll sink in eventually.

[private radio]

Originally posted by Repo

http://atrl.net/?p=31630692 . And there are countless more examples of idolization. I have seen multiple people argue that #3 and #5 are not bad people at all.

the link

what's their twitter

But Repo, name something #5 did that was so bad and selfish though? Chanel saying #5 is making it all about her is a joke! #5 being a lunatic is a joke! #5 being homophobic isn't an odd awful trait at all god everyone irl is, her following orders was simply just because she's a minion, it doesn't matter now because at some point Zayday & Grace was also in on it

[Repo]

Originally posted by C/H/A/N/E/L

THERE WAS NO JUSTICE

The Chanels are rotting in an asylum. Happy or not, that's Justice

And hey, I never called Chad sensitive or moral. I did say that showed he in his own weird way cared about his fratbros, which is objectively true. And I've used that and his lack of malice to argue that while he's a total douche, the Chanels are worse. Considering the ending, Ryan agrees

[Shinning]

And not them completely forgetting about Coney and why they killed him

[Gee]

I don't agree with the idolization part.

I liked Dexter but that didn't mean I wanted to become a serial killer. I did root for the character even though it was morally wrong at times.

[Jessie Mulay]

Ok after sleeping it over I really liked the last part of the finale, like when we see Denise, them cleaning the memorial, the Chanel's in the Asylum. Basically everything minus the whole Hester revealing herself part

[Silence.]

Originally posted by Repo

It was definitely made for people who love the Chanels with the finale being specifically done to point out to the misaimed fandom "You do not want to be these girls." It's a bait and twist

If you notice, everyone who liked the finale are the people who hated the idolization and "laughing with" the Chanel parts.

You really think they went with that moral message? It's too traditional and if anything goes against the millennial critique that he's been attempting throughout the season. Nor does it match up with any of the themes that run in any of his other work.

If anything the chanels were happy in the ending while the sorority was the one with the ominous conclusion. An 'open and overly politically correct that will welcome any view provided that it's left leaning.' The obvious conclusion you could make is that Hester/Gigi/Boone and grace/zayday's crusade is one giant Social Justice Warrior metaphor that in itself was hateful and selfish towards people because they were born privileged and the environment they ended up living in is as poisonous as the one they left. Denise as the clueless face of justice jumping to agree with them is the obvious evidence supporting this.

The issue is that while attempting to bring it home he fell face down with an easy conclusion that left us waiting for 30 minutes for something we hadn't heard in an episode before, awkward pacing and awful writing.

You dislike those characters. Okay whatever, but your stretching your interpretation in an attempt to fit what you think Ryan's views of the characters were. The same characters he frequently said are his favourite to write and the funniest to watch. This isn't about bringing down the 'privileged bitches', they got the happily ever after, it's a failed allegory about the people who blame them for everything. Those guys ended up with several sequences trying to make the audience laugh at their simplistic ideological views and a murderer in their midst.

[C/H/A/N/E/L]

Originally posted by Repo

The Chanels are rotting in an asylum. Happy or not, that's Justice

And hey, I never called Chad sensitive or moral. I did say that showed he in his own weird way cared about his fratbros, which is objectively true. And I've used that and his lack of malice to argue that while he's a total douche, the Chanels are worse. Considering the ending, Ryan agrees

And they're happy. If it was JUSTICE, they'd be portrayed as miserable. Instead they're happy as ever. They were rewarded in the end.

[Brunette Ambition]

Originally posted by Gee

I don't agree with the idolization part.

I liked Dexter but that didn't mean I wanted to become a serial killer. I did root for the character even though it was morally wrong at times.

i did also like chanel and chanel #3 but i know that they were bad people and that it's not someting to look up to. which some people seem not to understand

[Repo]

Originally posted by private radio

But Repo, name something #5 did that was so bad and selfish though?

Well, in the first episode she buries all the pledges up to their necks in the backyard for the lulzies of hazing them. She's also an accomplice to attempted murder, tried to lieder Chanel, and often cruelly and maliciously bullies and demeans others to boost up her own non-existent self-confidence

Chanel saying #5 is making it all about her is a joke! #5 being a lunatic is a joke!

No doubt there

#5 being homophobic isn't an odd awful trait at all god everyone irl is,

Welp, I think you revealed more about yourself than you want to sis

her following orders was simply just because she's a minion,

NOT to say #5 is a nazi.... But this is objectively the same kind of defense nazi soldiers used in World War 2. And it wasn't valid then either. Unless Oberlin has a gun to her head, #5 is in control of her own actions. She didn't have to be O's minion, she chose to be O's minion

it doesn't matter now because at some point Zayday & Grace was also in on it

Huh? And the show mocked them too

[DripDrip]

Originally posted by C/H/A/N/E/L

THERE WAS NO JUSTICE

Everyone lived and got a happily ever after.

I hate the finale because it was poor writing & execution and a lackluster way to end this roller coaster of a show, but I also don't think it's fair to say the Chanels "lost" or that the show turned against them. That's like saying Chad's sensitive and moral because he said "it'll take me weeks to get over Boone's death".

I don't see why people keep insisting people dislike it cause the Chanel's lost

You wanna know something awful. The final person to die. WAS THE ****ING PIZZA GUY.