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Discussion: Why couldn't Beyonce open with 1mil+?
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
How is being black a hinderance?  Black people are only 13% of the American population yet are a HUGE part of the mainstream musical scene in America. If anything being black has helped her immensely, as it also gets her music played on way more radio formats.
And how is no physical release an issue when we all know the reason for those huge initial sales was the surprise digital release, including the fact that every track was album-only. She has been debuting, as part of DC and solo, with physical releases since 1998 and has never approached 1m. That's not the reason at all. The reason is she's simply never been that big of an artist. |
That's funny considering the industry is heavily dominated by white men and women. ST is the only album by a black female to go multi platinum this decade lol. There is no advantage.
If you seriously don't understand how a physical release would have made difference in sales than idk what to tell you. You're just wrong. The album sold 1 million in 10 days with just a digital release. You should be able to do the math and realize she would've gotten a 1m+ debut had she not gone the unconventional route with the release.
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her music isn't ear candy. It takes a required musical taste to understand concept albums.
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Originally posted by Cream
She would have done at least near that had she gotten a full week for s/t
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But even when we count the first 7 days of her albums release she still didn't manage to get to 1 million copies sold...
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Originally posted by dirrtydiana
I'm done trying to force you back to the topic at hand.
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adsjflkasjd the thing is this is about why can't she sell 1m in the first week as a general thing. you're trying to bring up britney's record, that she's about to not even have anymore, asking why bey didn't break it. like this isn't about that lol.
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Originally posted by Jet
That's funny considering the industry is heavily dominated by white men and women. ST is the only album by a black female to go multi platinum this decade lol. There is no advantage.
If you seriously don't understand how a physical release would have made difference in sales than idk what to tell you. You're just wrong. The album sold 1 million in 10 days with just a digital release. You should be able to do the math and realize she would've gotten a 1m+ debut had she not gone the unconventional route with the release.
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Clearly we are both coming from very different understandings of how the surprise release helped her sales, so I'm not even sure if it's worth trying to argue with you.
Basically, you're wrong. The reason why she sold so many copies so quickly is because of the surprise digital factor + videos for every song + every track album-only + iTunes exclusive for two weeks. After that period, when the physical release came out, sales decreased dramatically.
Had she released the album physically, it would have no longer been a surprise, because it takes weeks to produce the CDs, ship them to stores, etc and the information would have been inevitably leaked.
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Originally posted by fememeist
her music isn't ear candy. It takes a required musical taste to understand concept albums. |
What are Dangerously in Love, B'Day, I Am... Sasha Fierce, and 4 other than mass market, designed-to-sell RnB/pop ear candy?
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but honestly, why isn't this thread about rih, katy, or p!nk?
all big stars. all have big hits. why did u make this about bey? 
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Originally posted by Jet
...in 2004
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Beyonce, solo and as part of DC, released five albums before 2004 was over.
Never came close with any of them.
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dd "decreased drastically" it sold over 300k for 4 weeks
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
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4? Designed to sell? 
Who was buying songs like 1+1 or Countdown in Summer 2011, the time in which LMFAO and Pitbull were slaying the charts? 
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Originally posted by Jet
dd "decreased drastically" it sold over 300k for 4 weeks |
No it did not. It was below 150k by the fourth week.
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Originally posted by Jet
That's funny considering the industry is heavily dominated by white men and women. ST is the only album by a black female to go multi platinum this decade lol. There is no advantage.
If you seriously don't understand how a physical release would have made difference in sales than idk what to tell you. You're just wrong. The album sold 1 million in 10 days with just a digital release. You should be able to do the math and realize she would've gotten a 1m+ debut had she not gone the unconventional route with the release.
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Basically this.
Everyone here knows how big the ST was/is to this day considering that Beyoncé, as a black female, released it twenty years into her career. And the album also does not have a mainstream pop single to open with (DiL was the main-selling point, not XO), unlike Oops!, Born This Way, 1989, and 25.
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Originally posted by jax.
4? Designed to sell?
Who was buying songs like 1+1 or Countdown in Summer 2011, the time in which LMFAO and Pitbull were slaying the charts? |
Diplo/Switch on an uptempo pop banger with a trendy sample, repetitive lyrics in an attempt at an earworm, and female empowerment lyrics (which had always worked for her)...yeah, sorry. Just because Run the World flopped doesn't mean it wasn't meant to be a hit.
Best Thing I Never Had was a generic R&B ballad like many she's put out.
That album had a Diane Warren song on it for Christ's sake.
Acting like it's some avant garde art work
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Originally posted by ***Chu
Basically this.
Everyone here knows how big the ST was/is to this day considering that Beyoncé, as a black female, released it twenty years into her career. And the album also does not have a mainstream pop single to open with (DiL was the main-selling point, not XO), unlike Oops!, Born This Way, 1989, and 25.
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XO was not the main selling point because it flopped
She performed it at the BRIT Awards and it decreased in chart position
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
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Not when the GP was so into that EDM trend.
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
Diplo/Switch on an uptempo pop banger with a trendy sample, repetitive lyrics in an attempt at an earworm, and female empowerment lyrics (which had always worked for her)...yeah, sorry. Just because Run the World flopped doesn't mean it wasn't meant to be a hit.
Best Thing I Never Had was a generic R&B ballad like many she's put out.
That album had a Diane Warren song on it for Christ's sake.
Acting like it's some avant garde art work |
I swear they're making it sound like 4 was some great Indie album.
Just because nobody played or bought any of the songs does not make it any less mainstream.
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Originally posted by fememeist
her music isn't ear candy. It takes a required musical taste to understand concept albums. |
Most of her hits + DC's discography would disagree tho
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
Diplo/Switch on an uptempo pop banger with a trendy sample, repetitive lyrics in an attempt at an earworm, and female empowerment lyrics (which had always worked for her)...yeah, sorry. Just because Run the World flopped doesn't mean it wasn't meant to be a hit.
Best Thing I Never Had was a generic R&B ballad like many she's put out.
That album had a Diane Warren song on it for Christ's sake.
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No one was buying R&B in 2011. BTINH was generic, and most of the hive will agree to that. However, that doesn't change that the song does NOT fit with 2011 pop music trends.
And on RTW.. you say Diplo as if he was some huge hit maker back then. Paper Planes and what else? Look at Me Now? Sorry but her having a Diplo sample wasn't "looking for a hit"
I'm not saying 4 was avant garde. What I'm saying is that it doesn't fit the 2011 pop music trend of David Guetta-esque songs.
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Originally posted by cancer
I swear they're making it sound like 4 was some great Indie album.
Just because nobody played or bought any of the songs does not make it any less mainstream. |
d no one is saying it was indie
no one is saying it was avant garde
it just did NOT fit in with 2011's music trends.
and it was a great album. critics agree and so do fans, many of whom consider it her best work behind self titled.
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
Diplo/Switch on an uptempo pop banger with a trendy sample, repetitive lyrics in an attempt at an earworm, and female empowerment lyrics (which had always worked for her)...yeah, sorry. Just because Run the World flopped doesn't mean it wasn't meant to be a hit.
Best Thing I Never Had was a generic R&B ballad like many she's put out.
That album had a Diane Warren song on it for Christ's sake.
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Originally posted by cancer
I swear they're making it sound like 4 was some great Indie album.
Just because nobody played or bought any of the songs does not make it any less mainstream. |
And how are they as catchy as other pop white girls' singles who managed to open with more than a million in the US? It's R&B sung by a black female.
And RTW might be written to be a hit, but just as iconic as Single Ladies. It does not necessarily translate into massive opening week sales.
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
XO was not the main selling point because it flopped
She performed it at the BRIT Awards and it decreased in chart position |
What does performing at the BRIT Awards have anything to do with the U.S. opening week?
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