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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
Never said two wrongs make a right. The difference between Clinton and Cheney is that one turned over emails, the other deleted them and obstructed justice. Clinton has also turned over her entire served. Cheney did not. Cheney also recently went on a book tour criticizing Hillary about the emails Talk about irony.
You've been watching too much Fox News, dear. The intelligence community actually did believe the videos had something to do with the attack. They were wrong, but that's what they told the White House and the State Dept.
Weakened allies in Europe? No. The world has a more favorable view of America thanks to the Obama years:
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And in one breath Republicans will talk about weaker ties with Europe, while in the other breath complaining about how we depend on working with France on Libya, or with Europeans on tackling the Iran issue. Give me a break.
That 9.9% number isn't even accurate. It's more like 15%, and that's because the 85% listed for overhead goes towards specific organizations within the foundation like the Health Initiative, Climate initiative, etc, that all do work on policy and partnerships. The "travel on private jets" crap, again, is just false. source source
It's not fantasy. I have the receipts. Clinton at #13th most liberal is more liberal than Durbin and Kerry, and less liberal than Sanders and a few others. Joe Biden is way behind at #27 and Obama at #18 |
Clinton turned over here email server because the FBI came for it, what world are you living in? Do you honestly think if her private email server was never discovered she would have turned it over?
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
I wasn't saying Obama/Clinton did nothing wrong. Just saying that the relationship overall is much better than the Bush years. I mean, they got the Europeans to go along with the Russian sanctions, right?  |
Good thing those sanctions are working, you know hurting Putin.
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Poor Biden.
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Originally posted by Chucko
Good thing those sanctions are working, you know hurting Putin.
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they would work better if the US would participate and not just ask the Europeans to impose them and then stab them in the back by increasing trade with Russia. That's kind of the American way of things which makes them incredibly unlikeable.
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Originally posted by stevyy
they would work better if the US would participate and not just ask the Europeans to impose them and then stab them in the back by increasing trade with Russia. That's kind of the American way of things which makes them incredibly unlikeable.
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I agree, but I'm not the one posting idiotic maps of countries that find us more likable now. What's more important that a country likes you or that country can count on us to have their back?
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Originally posted by Chucko
Good thing those sanctions are working, you know hurting Putin.
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The sanctions in Iran worked to get Iran to the negotiation table. But as soon as they sat down, China loosened up and started importing from Iran again. It's hard to maintain a coalition of both friends and enemies.
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Originally posted by Chucko
Clinton turned over here email server because the FBI came for it, what world are you living in? Do you honestly think if her private email server was never discovered she would have turned it over?
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bold words. seems you've forgotten:
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Not long after George W. Bush assumed the presidency in 2001, Rove, his top political aide, set up a private email server for use in the White House. The stated purpose of the system — the primary domain name on which was gwb43.com — was that it would be used exclusively for the sort of political correspondence that Bush and Rove were not permitted to do on the taxpayer’s dime.
Seven years later, Bush and Rove were embroiled in two competing scandals — the Valerie Plame scandal, in which operatives for Vice Pres. Dick Cheney, including Rove and Scooter Libby, were accused of unmasking Valerie Plame, a CIA specialist in the black market for weapons of mass destruction, for purely partisan reasons, and the U.S. Attorney purge, in which Rove’s political operation in the White House was accused of ordering Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to purge eight U.S. attorneys who were qualified prosecutors and replace them with political hacks with little or no prosecutorial experience.
Rove escaped prosecution in the Libby case, but Libby was convicted (Bush quickly commuted the sentence) on March 6, 2007, at the same time Bush and Rove were under fire for purging the U.S. attorneys. During the investigation, it came to light that Rove’s server had been used to send official, non-political emails — correspondence that was required by law to be preserved under the Presidential Records Act.
On April 12, 2007, Rove’s operation admitted that it had deleted at least 5 million emails from the server. In December 2009, technicians who had examined the server reported that the number of emails that had been deleted was far greater — 22 million. source
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The Republicans play this fun game where everything they do can be forgotten, but all these things Democrats do get magnified by 1000x by them AND the media, and then they turn around and cry about liberal media bias, when in fact:
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In the Rove scandal, there were 125 broadcast reports and 200 newspaper articles over three months about the millions of deleted emails. Today, in just two weeks there have been 200 broadcast reports and 1,700 newspaper articles about the 50,000 deleted emails.
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so much for "liberal media"
TLDR:
BENGHAZI--> but 9/11 killed thousands? and triggered a useless war that threw the U.S. into a deep endless deficit?
EMAILS!!111--> but Karl Rove, Cheney and Bush ACTUALLY did something extremely illegal like politicking on the taxpayer dime + revealing the names of CIA operatives, and then deleted 22 million emails, and no one in the media really talked about it?
LIBERAL MEDIA BIAS!! --> See above. The media has been 1000x as hard on liberals as conservatives. NYT even jumped the gun and said the FBI were pressing criminal investigation on Clintons when in fact, that was false and a lie that they later had to retract.
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Originally posted by Chucko
I agree, but I'm not the one posting idiotic maps of countries that find us more likable now. What's more important that a country likes you or that country can count on us to have their back?
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which countries had America's backs in the Bush years that don't have America's backs now? I'm waiting.
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Marco Rubio just did something that might get him thrown out/penalized
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...ushpmg00000067
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Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) may have just violated ethics rules that prohibit soliciting campaign funds while on Senate property.
Rubio gave an interview to Fox News' Neil Cavuto on Tuesday, speaking from the Russell Senate Office Building. When asked about lagging behind some of his rivals for the Republican presidential nomination, the senator attempted to tout the strength of his fundraising.
In doing so, however, Rubio made a direct appeal for donations.
"I knew we wouldn't be the leading fundraiser in this race, because we are not the top choice of the entrenched political establishment," Rubio told Cavuto. "But I’m confident we have the resources and continue to build the resources to be able to communicate our message. And obviously if somebody watching this program wants to help us, they should go to marcorubio.com and chip in."
According to Senate ethics rules, "Senate Members and staff may not receive or solicit campaign contributions in any federal building."
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I hope he gets thrown out
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Yas  Donald eradicating Jeb and Marco getting himself thrown out would be just so ideal.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
The sanctions in Iran worked to get Iran to the negotiation table. But as soon as they sat down, China loosened up and started importing from Iran again. It's hard to maintain a coalition of both friends and enemies.
bold words. seems you've forgotten:
The Republicans play this fun game where everything they do can be forgotten, but all these things Democrats do get magnified by 1000x by them AND the media, and then they turn around and cry about liberal media bias, when in fact:
so much for "liberal media"
TLDR:
BENGHAZI--> but 9/11 killed thousands? and triggered a useless war that threw the U.S. into a deep endless deficit?
EMAILS!!111--> but Karl Rove, Cheney and Bush ACTUALLY did something extremely illegal like politicking on the taxpayer dime + revealing the names of CIA operatives, and then deleted 22 million emails, and no one in the media really talked about it?
LIBERAL MEDIA BIAS!! --> See above. The media has been 1000x as hard on liberals as conservatives. NYT even jumped the gun and said the FBI were pressing criminal investigation on Clintons when in fact, that was false and a lie that they later had to retract. |
So you are going to keep going back to Bush as an excuse to exonerate Hillary? I happen to agree with you on pretty much all the things that they did wrong under Bush. What does that have to do with Hillary running a private email server that was not approved by the State Department? How does anything Bush did relate to the FBI seizing her server, 4 state department servers, a server in Colorado, a thumb drive that was not secured properly at a law office and to top it off a server in a cloud backup company?
She was the SoS how can she think not a single email being sent to her wasn't classified? We know at least 400 were regardless of markings. She knows what is and isn't classified, she does not need markings and if she does not know what is and isn't classified information by looking at it she should not be POTUS.
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Lets not continue arguing about Clinton when it is clear that she is a very divisive figure and that neither side is going to relent to the other.
At the end of the day, the question is whether you'd prefer a radical socialist novice (to a high profile job like the presidency; not politics itself) in Sanders (who has no feasible or concrete plans of action other than 'attacking wall street') or an established left-leaning moderate in Clinton who is certainly liberal and would probably continue the Obama legacy.
One thing is certain - now that Biden is no longer running, Clinton will probably steer back towards the White House line seeing as she no longer needs to differentiate herself from a potential Biden run. Watch her do a semi U-turn on the TPP.
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Originally posted by Chucko
So you are going to keep going back to Bush as an excuse to exonerate Hillary? I happen to agree with you on pretty much all the things that they did wrong under Bush. What does that have to do with Hillary running a private email server that was not approved by the State Department? How does anything Bush did relate to the FBI seizing her server, 4 state department servers, a server in Colorado, a thumb drive that was not secured properly at a law office and to top it off a server in a cloud backup company?
She was the SoS how can she think not a single email being sent to her wasn't classified? We know at least 400 were regardless of markings. She knows what is and isn't classified, she does not need markings and if she does not know what is and isn't classified information by looking at it she should not be POTUS.
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I think I might of asked you this already but what pop girl do you stan for?
My guess is you're either a Hive or a Swiftie
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Marco getting thrown out would be a dream 
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Originally posted by Giselle
Yas Donald eradicating Jeb and Marco getting himself thrown out would be just so ideal. |
It would seriously be a cakewalk for Hillary Marco out. Jeb anchored to his brother and "low-energy." Who does the establishment have left? Maybe Kasich? But he has no charisma and no traction so far. It would wind down to Kasich, Trump, Carson and maybe Cruz. All of them much easier to beat than Rubio or Jeb.
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Originally posted by Chucko
So you are going to keep going back to Bush as an excuse to exonerate Hillary? I happen to agree with you on pretty much all the things that they did wrong under Bush. What does that have to do with Hillary running a private email server that was not approved by the State Department? How does anything Bush did relate to the FBI seizing her server, 4 state department servers, a server in Colorado, a thumb drive that was not secured properly at a law office and to top it off a server in a cloud backup company?
She was the SoS how can she think not a single email being sent to her wasn't classified? We know at least 400 were regardless of markings. She knows what is and isn't classified, she does not need markings and if she does not know what is and isn't classified information by looking at it she should not be POTUS.
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Im gonna stop fighting because like Radiance said, we're clearly never gonna agree 
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Marco getting thrown out would be a dream |
let's pray Trump mentions it on a morning show or something 
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Originally posted by rivers
I think I might of asked you this already but what pop girl do you stan for?
My guess is you're either a Hive or a Swiftie
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He used to have a Lorde avi.
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Originally posted by rivers
I think I might of asked you this already but what pop girl do you stan for?
My guess is you're either a Hive or a Swiftie
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Well this is not on topic of the thread but since you asked, I don't stan for anyone, I just like what I like, every artist for the most part has something I enjoy or have enjoyed listening to and at the same time they have had stuff I could not listen to at all. I can probably count on one hand the number of times I have posted in Base. In short I think the whole stan thing is stupid. It's probably why I came in, I think 3rd or 4th place in the Grammy predictions last year, I don't have a fav to cloud my judgement.
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He used to have a Lorde avi. |
Yeah I did have one because I was playing around one day with Aftereffects and ended up just with that avi, I'm not saying I'm not a fan, I think she is very talented for her age and hope she does well but you will also notice I have never posted in her base or as far as I can remember anything related to her.
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Originally posted by Chucko
Clinton turned over here email server because the FBI came for it, what world are you living in? Do you honestly think if her private email server was never discovered she would have turned it over?
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So you are not going to answer my question...
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One question: Why did the media immediately interpret speech in the Rose Garden as not running?
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