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News: "She's Been Black Since College" - Rachel Dolezal Parents
Member Since: 12/10/2011
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Originally posted by Praise Mariallah
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ff why does she look just as black as Angela? I'm spitting 
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@Doc, I don't understand how you can think your race is based on how people treat you, but your gender is not.
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Member Since: 2/2/2014
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Originally posted by Doc
I hate seeing those “if you can be transgender, why can’t you be transracial” so here are my thoughts on that in case your really looking for an answer and not just being a huge dick.
Anyway, onto it.
Race is not fluid- it is not changeable.
Being a member certain race means that from the moment you are born you are put in either a position of social privilege or disadvantage. Those born into disadvantage have developed their own means of survival, their own ways to keep pushing through a world that hates them, and though it may manifest in different ways, our shared history of oppression makes many of our characteristics similar and easy to (mistakenly)stereotype. Not the same by any stretch of the imagination, mind you, but it allows us to understand each other on a more personal level, even from a far.
You don’t ‘transition races’ because you are truly of that race- you ‘become’ black because you see the amazing community that has been created by those in a position of near powerlessness. You have seen the incredible things that black people can do, that have produced- you see the creativity that they are endowed with, and you say, ‘I want that’.
You want the privileges of being black, without ever fighting for them- you want to reap something you never sowed.
Moreover, you base your idea of race on a horrifically static group of stereotypes and try to imitate them, not realizing that these things that have been deemed the norm for the black community come from years of living a certain way, and, even so, is not shared by the entire race. For instance, you decide to speak using AAVE because it’s cool- not because it is your language. You try to mimic our anger- when you have never understood the pain it is borne of. You enter our spaces because you like the way they look from the outside- not because you have nowhere else to go.
You want to be us, without ever being able to understand why we are us.
In other words, you are no better than a living, breathing, racist caricature that doesn’t respect the black community enough to realize you are not a part of it.
Do I even need to mention that white people would never allow black people to be considered white because their rampant anti-blackness barely allows them to accept a black person in their spaces, let alone ‘be’ them, or can we move on?
Great. Moving the **** on then.
Gender, on the other hand is incredibly fluid and personal.
You do not decide to ‘be’ transgender because you want to wear a dress, or pants(because, heads up, clothes are not explicitly gendered). You don’t ‘become’ transgender because you desperately want to be a full time parent or an engineer, because once again, for those in the cheap seats, that **** has nothing to do with gender.
You have, at some point in your life, realized that you are not defined by your genitals/chromosomes/secondary sex characteristics, and despite all odds, you are not as you have previously been defined. It is not because of the traits you find cool and interesting in the other gender, it is because you have found the traits within yourself that make you a woman or man(or non- binary). You are willing to endure hell on earth to become who you truly are, and accept the social stigma and consequences that comes with that. You are not an outsider looking in and jealously admiring what others have worked so hard to have, you are an insider who has been wrongly labeled.
It is not about changing your image, it is about you becoming your image.
You are not trying to ‘invade’ brother or sisterhood, you just want to be who you are, and you deserve the support of every person alive in that endeavor.
So before you decide to open your ****ing mouth and say some dumb ****, including but not limited to ‘being transgender and transracial are the same’ remember to not ever belittle the need to be by comparing it to the desire to take.
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You copied more than 50% which is against the rules
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Circinus
What does that have to do with "feeling" as if you're really black though? Does this chick have sickle cell or something?  |
Maybe she feels like she was born with the wrong genes, and feels like she should have been born as a carrier for sickle cell.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Maybe she feels like she was born with the wrong genes, and feels like she should have been born as a carrier for sickle cell.
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Then she should try getting roughed up at a pool in Texas for size! Oh wait NO, she's WHITE, they won't throw her ass on the grass and hold a gun in her face
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Obsession
You don't get to ****ing co-op my racial identity, because you don't ****ing know what it's like to walk down the road afraid of if the cops are gonna pull out a gun and shoot you in the head, because you don't know what it's ****ing like to know your entire community (LGBT) sees you as a lower subject for your skin complexion, because you don't ****ing know what it's like to have to work twice as hard just to be SEEN as on the level with basic white people.
You don't get to ****ing throw on some bronzer and call yourself black just because you like the idea of dreadlocks and painting your face, and the idea of throwing on African traditional dress. Do all those things if you want but you're NOT black and you will NEVER be black because you don't know our pain and the things we have been SUBJECTED to for centuries.
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How can you say she doesn't know what it's like to be a black woman when everyone around her thought she was and society treated her that way?
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Member Since: 4/26/2012
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How the hell was she able to fool people this long? Skin color aside, she doesn't even have black facial features. She looks like a white woman with a terrible tan.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
@Doc, I don't understand how you can think your race is based on how people treat you, but your gender is not.
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Exactly.
Women have fought for centuries to be considered equals to men, and you could actually argue that being born a man is still a position of privilege in some/most societies (places like Saudi Arabia where women literally have zero rights).
It all parallels.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by Doc
I hate seeing those “if you can be transgender, why can’t you be transracial” so here are my thoughts on that in case your really looking for an answer and not just being a huge dick.
Anyway, onto it.
Race is not fluid- it is not changeable.
Being a member certain race means that from the moment you are born you are put in either a position of social privilege or disadvantage. Those born into disadvantage have developed their own means of survival, their own ways to keep pushing through a world that hates them, and though it may manifest in different ways, our shared history of oppression makes many of our characteristics similar and easy to (mistakenly)stereotype. Not the same by any stretch of the imagination, mind you, but it allows us to understand each other on a more personal level, even from a far.
You don’t ‘transition races’ because you are truly of that race- you ‘become’ black because you see the amazing community that has been created by those in a position of near powerlessness. You have seen the incredible things that black people can do, that have produced- you see the creativity that they are endowed with, and you say, ‘I want that’.
You want the privileges of being black, without ever fighting for them- you want to reap something you never sowed.
Moreover, you base your idea of race on a horrifically static group of stereotypes and try to imitate them, not realizing that these things that have been deemed the norm for the black community come from years of living a certain way, and, even so, is not shared by the entire race. For instance, you decide to speak using AAVE because it’s cool- not because it is your language. You try to mimic our anger- when you have never understood the pain it is borne of. You enter our spaces because you like the way they look from the outside- not because you have nowhere else to go.
You want to be us, without ever being able to understand why we are us.
In other words, you are no better than a living, breathing, racist caricature that doesn’t respect the black community enough to realize you are not a part of it.
Do I even need to mention that white people would never allow black people to be considered white because their rampant anti-blackness barely allows them to accept a black person in their spaces, let alone ‘be’ them, or can we move on?
Great. Moving the **** on then.
Gender, on the other hand is incredibly fluid and personal.
You do not decide to ‘be’ transgender because you want to wear a dress, or pants(because, heads up, clothes are not explicitly gendered). You don’t ‘become’ transgender because you desperately want to be a full time parent or an engineer, because once again, for those in the cheap seats, that **** has nothing to do with gender.
You have, at some point in your life, realized that you are not defined by your genitals/chromosomes/secondary sex characteristics, and despite all odds, you are not as you have previously been defined. It is not because of the traits you find cool and interesting in the other gender, it is because you have found the traits within yourself that make you a woman or man(or non- binary). You are willing to endure hell on earth to become who you truly are, and accept the social stigma and consequences that comes with that. You are not an outsider looking in and jealously admiring what others have worked so hard to have, you are an insider who has been wrongly labeled.
It is not about changing your image, it is about you becoming your image.
You are not trying to ‘invade’ brother or sisterhood, you just want to be who you are, and you deserve the support of every person alive in that endeavor.
So before you decide to open your ****ing mouth and say some dumb ****, including but not limited to ‘being transgender and transracial are the same’ remember to not ever belittle the need to be by comparing it to the desire to take.
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This was silly, you can't trivialize the Transracial experience when this woman dedicated her entire adult life to living out her truth as a black woman.
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This is so disgusting. It's not even possible since you are born with the race you have.
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Member Since: 5/24/2011
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Originally posted by Obsession
Then she should try getting roughed up at a pool in Texas for size! Oh wait NO, she's WHITE, they won't throw her ass on the grass and hold a gun in her face
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I could see her getting followed around by security in an electronics store.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
How can you say she doesn't know what it's like to be a black woman when everyone around her thought she was and society treated her that way?
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She is NOT black, y'all are taking this **** TOO FAR. This is spitting in the face of all the black people who have struggled for DECADES in this country.
You wanna wear dreadlocks, okay. You wanna wear bronzer, fine. You wanna wear African garb, fine.
BUT YOU ARE NOT BLACK. Your parents are white and from the moment you were born, you were automatically born with privilege that no black person has been born with in the US! Sorry! You don't get to call yourself black!
Lemme wear some white powder and call myself white and see if it'll stop the cops from slowing down when they see me in the streets!
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by Obsession
She is NOT black, y'all are taking this **** TOO FAR. This is spitting in the face of all the black people who have struggled for DECADES in this country.
You wanna wear dreadlocks, okay. You wanna wear bronzer, fine. You wanna wear African garb, fine.
BUT YOU ARE NOT BLACK. Your parents are white and from the moment you were born, you were automatically born with privilege that no black person has been born with in the US! Sorry! You don't get to call yourself black!
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I hope you have this same disgust for transgender women since they are essentially one in the same.
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Member Since: 12/10/2011
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She finally speaks
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Well, in another interview with Sky News, she said to the original article that questioned her racial identity, “I don’t give two ***** what you guys think.”
She said it’s more important for her to “clarify” this with the black community than to “explain it to a community that I, quite frankly, don’t think really understands the definitions of race and ethnicity.”
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http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rachel-do...ou-guys-think/
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Obsession
She is NOT black, y'all are taking this **** TOO FAR. This is spitting in the face of all the black people who have struggled for DECADES in this country.
You wanna wear dreadlocks, okay. You wanna wear bronzer, fine. You wanna wear African garb, fine.
BUT YOU ARE NOT BLACK. Your parents are white and from the moment you were born, you were automatically born with privilege that no black person has been born with in the US! Sorry! You don't get to call yourself black!
Lemme wear some white powder and call myself white and see if it'll stop the cops from slowing down when they see me in the streets!
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You're right she does not have the heritage of African Americans. That's not up for debate. But she may know what's it's like to be black in modern day USA, just like a Jamaican living in the US.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Damien M
the same argument can be made against Caitlyn Jenner for reducing femininity to a boob job, a wig and sexy lingerie. Essentially making a mockery of what it means to be a woman, by ur logic.
the exact same argument can be made against Laverne Cox who is making serious $$$ AND furthering her career based on being a 'woman'.
you honestly can't chastise one and cape for the other. It's all or nothing.
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laverne is making serious money for being an actress and uses her elevated status to raise awareness for trans causes. she's not famous simply for being trans
there are differences in gender roles across the world, and this notion of women being discriminated against for purely being women is not universal and not perpetuated by every society.
however anti blackness exists across the world. darker skinned people are shunned everywhere from africa, asia and latin america, there are literally ads for skin lightening creams across India and in Africa. white supremacy exists everywhere. so clearly they cannot be compared
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Originally posted by blasianlove
I hope you have this same disgust for transgender women since they are essentially one in the same.
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NO.
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Member Since: 1/2/2014
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Originally posted by Rogue
How the hell was she able to fool people this long? Skin color aside, she doesn't even have black facial features. She looks like a white woman with a terrible tan.
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Because h'america. There was "a one-drop rule" which stated that everyone with African ancestry were black. And because of that people with skin color lighter than Katy Perry or Madonna' skin color are considered black  Mariah Carey is black in America.
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Member Since: 1/1/2013
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
It didn't clock anything, in fact it validated our argument that people can choose to be any race they want.
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The hell? Now we can choose what race we want to be? 
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