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TV Show: Game of Thrones: Season 7 | Teaser released
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it's so funny how people say they weren't watching anymore but the ratings say otherwise 
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There was no boycott just a Memorial Day Week-end drop 
In the past seasons we always had a two weeks break because of Memorial Week-end but not this season they decide to air it anyway
There's no break this year
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Just watched the episode. Arya finally doing something interesting 
I'm so confused by this Lord of the Rings/The Walking Dead mashup tho. Are white walkers and zombies like allies or are they one in the same? Can someone help me out with that |
The White Walkers are the one bringing back the dead and then taking control (zombies and skeletons), i think they made it pretty clear
Did you watch that last scene where the Night's King (Chief of the White Walkers) paused all the zombies and skeletons (creating a complete silence) then raised up his arms to create new zombies ? 
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It took two weeks to catch up from Season 1-5 I'm totally in love.
Dany, Arya, are my favorites. I'm here for Cerci being tortured.
I can't with the complaining though.
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I am so disgusted with what they've done with Sansa's character this season.
To have her rise at the Eyrie last season just to regress her back to season one level of abuse?
Ugly assholes.
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Originally posted by Lexiel
I am so disgusted with what they've done with Sansa's character this season.
To have her rise at the Eyrie last season just to regress her back to season one level of abuse?
Ugly assholes.
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Why don't we at least wait to see how her storyline is going to FINISH before complaining that they're mistreating her? Everything I've seen suggests she's going to kill Ramsay
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Originally posted by Repo
Why don't we at least wait to see how her storyline is going to FINISH before complaining that they're mistreating her? Everything I've seen suggests she's going to kill Ramsay
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I dont know about Ramsey, I do however feel like shes going to kill Little Finger at some point. Shes starting to understand how to play the game, which is all about manipulation. The moment Little Finger feels he has control over her, shes gonna revenge her family for everything he's done. Sansa isnt stupid, she knows he's only helping for his own benefit.
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Originally posted by Repo
Why don't we at least wait to see how her storyline is going to FINISH before complaining that they're mistreating her? Everything I've seen suggests she's going to kill Ramsay
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Unfortunately not when Ramsey is leaving Winterfell in the next episode (or season finale) for god knows how long ...
And we already said multiple times in this thread that it's against her character, Sansa is not a killer but a future player.
What would be really gratifying before this season ends would be to see Sansa create some kind of scheme to get rid of Roose and finally avenge her brother and mother.
Hopefully Brienne will take part in it.
Roose, Fat Walda and Myranda are the ones staying in Winterfell.
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Originally posted by Repo
Why don't we at least wait to see how her storyline is going to FINISH before complaining that they're mistreating her? Everything I've seen suggests she's going to kill Ramsay
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There's ABSOLUTELY nothing they can do that can justify what they've done with her character. Her being completely mentally and emotionally destroyed after suffering all she's suffered just so Ramsay can get taken out and her 'agency' be reclaimed at the cost of her mental stability and innocence? NO, **** THAT.
Sansa's character didn't need to be raped, repeatedly. It doesn't matter if it was a step into getting to whatever end they have in mind, RAPE DOES NOT EQUATE PLOT DEVICE. Specially when it comes to a character who's sole focus is her innocence in the books. They've destroyed whatever sense of agency she seemed to claim last season.
If they are using her character again as a foil to further develop villains like Ramsay or Theon then it's even more ****ing awful. They can do a million things to have her claim Winterfell, the plot the actual writer set up in the books is far more interesting politically speaking and nuanced. Way more story to flesh out there in the Eyrie instead they chose to fulfill their sick desires imposing Jeyne Poole's horrifying plot onto a character that had absolutely nothing to do with it.
I'm guessing the rape count was too low this season and Sophie just came of age, ripe for the picking.
BYE.
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Lol, what even?
Bye I guess
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Originally posted by Lexiel
There's ABSOLUTELY nothing they can do that can justify what they've done with her character. Her being completely mentally and emotionally destroyed after suffering all she's suffered just so Ramsay can get taken out and her 'agency' be reclaimed at the cost of her mental stability and innocence? NO, **** THAT.
Sansa's character didn't need to be raped, repeatedly. It doesn't matter if it was a step into getting to whatever end they have in mind, RAPE DOES NOT EQUATE PLOT DEVICE. Specially when it comes to a character who's sole focus is her innocence in the books. They've destroyed whatever sense of agency she seemed to claim last season.
If they are using her character again as a foil to further develop villains like Ramsay or Theon then it's even more ****ing awful. They can do a million things to have her claim Winterfell, the plot the actual writer set up in the books is far more interesting politically speaking and nuanced. Way more story to flesh out there in the Eyrie instead they chose to fulfill their sick desires imposing Jeyne Poole's horrifying plot onto a character that had absolutely nothing to do with it.
I'm guessing the rape count was too low this season and Sophie just came of age, ripe for the picking.
BYE.
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you better drag d&d for filth
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Originally posted by Lexiel
There's ABSOLUTELY nothing they can do that can justify what they've done with her character. Her being completely mentally and emotionally destroyed after suffering all she's suffered just so Ramsay can get taken out and her 'agency' be reclaimed at the cost of her mental stability and innocence? NO, **** THAT.
Sansa's character didn't need to be raped, repeatedly. It doesn't matter if it was a step into getting to whatever end they have in mind, RAPE DOES NOT EQUATE PLOT DEVICE. Specially when it comes to a character who's sole focus is her innocence in the books. They've destroyed whatever sense of agency she seemed to claim last season.
If they are using her character again as a foil to further develop villains like Ramsay or Theon then it's even more ****ing awful. They can do a million things to have her claim Winterfell, the plot the actual writer set up in the books is far more interesting politically speaking and nuanced. Way more story to flesh out there in the Eyrie instead they chose to fulfill their sick desires imposing Jeyne Poole's horrifying plot onto a character that had absolutely nothing to do with it.
I'm guessing the rape count was too low this season and Sophie just came of age, ripe for the picking.
BYE.
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What does it matter if the character is Jeyne or Sansa? Either way the Winterfell story line hasn't been changed much from the written material.
Also, I'd be very surprised if Sansa's "innocence" is still there at the end of TWOW considering that chapter GRRM posted. 
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Also worth mentioning that GRRM is closely involved with the show, so you can't just blame the show writers. When an episode airs, it airs because GRRM has approved it.
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Originally posted by Lexiel
There's ABSOLUTELY nothing they can do that can justify what they've done with her character. Her being completely mentally and emotionally destroyed after suffering all she's suffered just so Ramsay can get taken out and her 'agency' be reclaimed at the cost of her mental stability and innocence? NO, **** THAT.
Sansa's character didn't need to be raped, repeatedly. It doesn't matter if it was a step into getting to whatever end they have in mind, RAPE DOES NOT EQUATE PLOT DEVICE. Specially when it comes to a character who's sole focus is her innocence in the books. They've destroyed whatever sense of agency she seemed to claim last season.
If they are using her character again as a foil to further develop villains like Ramsay or Theon then it's even more ****ing awful. They can do a million things to have her claim Winterfell, the plot the actual writer set up in the books is far more interesting politically speaking and nuanced. Way more story to flesh out there in the Eyrie instead they chose to fulfill their sick desires imposing Jeyne Poole's horrifying plot onto a character that had absolutely nothing to do with it.
I'm guessing the rape count was too low this season and Sophie just came of age, ripe for the picking.
BYE.
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You know there's been multiple murder and torture scenes in this show right? 
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I'm so confused by this Lord of the Rings/The Walking Dead mashup tho. Are white walkers and zombies like allies or are they one in the same? Can someone help me out with that
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Basically the huge zombie army who attacked Hardhome were Wights. They're dead bodies reanimated. They don't really have any mental functions or anything, they just do whatever they're made to do. Like this dude:
They're led by White Walkers who are an actual living magical species who live in the Lands of Always Winter waaaaaay north of the Wall. I guess you could say they're like the commanders of the army of Wights. Like this dude:
Then above all of the White Walkers is the Night's King, who was the scary looking dude who kept appearing during the episode and seemed to take a special interest in Jon. There's a whole backstory and legend to the Night's King which I won't go into for fear of people bitching about spoilers but it's a thing. This dude:
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Also worth mentioning that GRRM is closely involved with the show, so you can't just blame the show writers. When an episode airs, it airs because GRRM has approved it.
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I don't think the show runners NEED approval from GRRM. They can legally air whatever the hell they want. They keep him involved because he has the knows about how the story goes and it's best to keep him on side.
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Originally posted by Lexiel
There's ABSOLUTELY nothing they can do that can justify what they've done with her character. Her being completely mentally and emotionally destroyed after suffering all she's suffered just so Ramsay can get taken out and her 'agency' be reclaimed at the cost of her mental stability and innocence? NO, **** THAT.
Sansa's character didn't need to be raped, repeatedly. It doesn't matter if it was a step into getting to whatever end they have in mind, RAPE DOES NOT EQUATE PLOT DEVICE. Specially when it comes to a character who's sole focus is her innocence in the books. They've destroyed whatever sense of agency she seemed to claim last season.
If they are using her character again as a foil to further develop villains like Ramsay or Theon then it's even more ****ing awful. They can do a million things to have her claim Winterfell, the plot the actual writer set up in the books is far more interesting politically speaking and nuanced. Way more story to flesh out there in the Eyrie instead they chose to fulfill their sick desires imposing Jeyne Poole's horrifying plot onto a character that had absolutely nothing to do with it.
I'm guessing the rape count was too low this season and Sophie just came of age, ripe for the picking.
BYE.
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The delusion in this post is unperceivable.
I will just dump this link here: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/all-...ones-debunked/
It absolutely DESTROYS the arguments that the social justice warriors whining about this make, along with the INCREDIBLY offensive implications their comments have (For example, it'd be okay if Ramsay raped Jeyne but NOT if he rapes Sansa, which your post is implying, nd that the fact Ramsay raped Sansa means she's a weak person, which your comment is basically saying) If there's anything offensive going on here, it's from your post.
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They're men so it's okay, much like it'd be okay to these people for Jeyne to be raped/tortured by Ramsay because we don't really care about her and she could be established as a "weak" character rather than making a strong one like Sansa "weak" so she can be raped (textbook victim blaming) These people are utterly hypocritical and most of their comments/attcks on this manage to have strong notes of victim blaming, double standards, and misandry in them.
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You're implying I'm okay with what happens to Jeyne in the book or that Sansa is a weak character. I'm not.
ALL the problems I have come with the changes they've made which are incredibly problematic and unnecessary. I have a BIG issue with the way George dealt with Jeyne because it's one of the instances where rape is used as a plot device and it's absolutely apalling.
She's not a character whose voice is heard, she's used and she's lowborn and no one cares to help her because fo who she is, or rather isn't, and is merely a foil to develop Ramsay and Theon, which is absolutely awful in my opinion.
I'm not a justice warrior, I am a fan with a BIG issue regarding poorly written material and questionable choices.
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Originally posted by Lexiel
You're implying I'm okay with what happens to Jeyne in the book or that Sansa is a weak character. I'm not.
ALL the problems I have come with the changes they've made which are incredibly problematic and unnecessary. I have a BIG issue with the way George dealt with Jeyne because it's one of the instances where rape is used as a plot device and it's absolutely apalling.
She's not a character whose voice is heard, she's used and she's lowborn and no one cares to help her because fo who she is, or rather isn't, and is merely a foil to develop Ramsay and Theon, which is absolutely awful in my opinion.
I'm not a justice warrior, I am a fan with a BIG issue regarding poorly written material and questionable choices.
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Okay, genuinely misunderstood what you were saying and I'm sorry. I've encountered lots of people who DO make it into that issue so it leads to misinterpretations. I am genuinely sorry. I did not mean to misinterpret you like that. That is my fault.
The situation here is, honestly, I do not think rape is being used as a flimsy plot device. I do think it is being used in a way that furthers the plot, but I don't think that instantly means they're not taking it seriously or minimizing how awful it is. I'd actually argue the opposite. It's being presented as VERY horrible. And, actually, I think the show is portraying Sansa as very strong in a different sense. She's a survivor. She takes anything and everything thrown at her, and she's working towards bettering herself.
You could argue the rape is not one hundred percent necessary to make the plot function, but there's many things that could be said about. Theon did not HAVE to have his penis cut off. Hell, Dany's dragons did not HAVE to hatch. They could have taken her story in a different direction. What I do think is that the rape was a realistic way for the wedding to end, and I think that, above anything else, is why it was included. It would simply make no sense for Ramsay to not rape Sansa on her wedding night. He is a monster. We know this. It would completely break his character and the realism of the series for it not to play out the way he did.
I do understand what you mean about Jeyne, essentially, being there to help develop Theon more. I wouldn't say she's been completely trivialized by the author (though she, in universe, is without question trivialized as the world of Westeros is incredibly misogynistic), but I see the criticism. I completely understand it explained like that. I don't think that's a fair criticism for Sansa yet. The rape did move Theon's character forward, but it did drive Sansa to decisions too. That rape is why she's trying to escape winterfell. He's mistreating and abusing her. He could have used a different method, but then I would ask how you would have the wedding night play out (as them being married is obviously quite important) in a way that keeps the realism of the series and Ramsay in character? I mean, they actually toned the rape down dramatically in series. I really think the reason it was included was to avoid breaking the realism of this universe.
I am genuinely sorry, again, for any misinterpretations on my part. Your arguments do make sense and are valid, though in some respects I do disagree. After seeing so many flimsy ones (right down to "It's not in the book" and "Theon had it coming), I do tend to jump the gun on critics of this storyline and that is my fault. I was wrong for that, and I am sorry. As I have said
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Okay, I'm just a bit confused one part. Why the hell is Westeros putting up with the super religious group? As far as I know they did not make the law of the land and existed well before this season. So why isn't Tommin just ordering a **** ton of people to murder them? I understand Cersei had a reason to keep them in power but it baffles me how powerless Tommin is when he could instantly wipe them out. Like, did I miss something?
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Tommen is eight years old, let's put things in perspective please. At least in the books he is, I think in the show they aged him up to 15 but his personality is practically the same for all intents and purposes.
Not only that, but he's been babied his entire life and smothered by Cersei, he has no willpower whatsoever, he's merely a name. The one ruling the kingdom right now is Cersei. Once she's removed from the equation the Faith militant is free to do as it chooses.
The High Sparrow may seem like a salt of the earth preacher, but his true motives I suspect harken back to the Iron Throne, what he desires may not be power for the sake of power, but power for the sake of imposing his ideals of a purist world ruled with an iron fist under the law of The Seven.
Inquisition teas.
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Tommen is eight years old, let's put things in perspective please. At least in the books he is, I think in the show they aged him up to 15 but his personality is practically the same for all intents and purposes.
Not only that, but he's been babied his entire life and smothered by Cersei, he has no willpower whatsoever, he's merely a name. The one ruling the kingdom right now is Cersei. Once she's removed from the equation the Faith militant is free to do as it chooses.
The High Sparrow may seem like a salt of the earth preacher, but his true motives I suspect harken back to the Iron Throne, what he desires may not be power for the sake of power, but power for the sake of imposing his ideals of a purist world ruled with an iron fist under the law of The Seven.
Inquisition teas.
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I understand that he's young, but he did want to order his soldiers to wipe the faith out until Cersei convinced him not to. I suppose he's just broken and waiting for things to get better.
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