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Poll: More timeless: Katy or Gaga?
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Katy Perry's music
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43.85% |
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Lady Gaga's music
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Originally posted by Bang Up
Yes, the songs that have sold more have a higher chance of becoming timeless because they sold more. That's how it works. As artists, however, it's completely different.
No, because people don't remember an artist's discography, they remember a few huge songs and that's it. Like it's been mentioned, Madonna, Michael, the Beatles, etc. all only have a handful of songs everyone knows.
Katy and Gaga both have a few huge hits (Gaga's huge hits have been bigger) and those huge hits will be remembered/timeless. It's as simple as that.
But this argument is clearly not going anywhere since I'm talking to what I'm assuming are a bunch of 16 year olds who think they understand what "timeless" is despite proving they don't by posting receipts from today.  |
I agree both will be timeless but Katy has the advantage of more songs regardless of Gaga having a single that sold more. More classic songs=more timeless. And also see how people are listening to Katy more today and have been since 2011 too. It's okay though, time will tell.
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Originally posted by Starstruck.
Your argument is completely subjective and flawed.
and yes, all these artists are selling now and all of them are selling more than Lady Gaga despite her debuting in 2008.
iTunes Global Top 100 artists:
38. Madonna
43. Michael Jackson
76. The Beatles
104. Lady Gaga
And that's sincerely, Ciara!
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Nnn, you guys still don't know how to read Kworb?
According to your logic, Mark Knopfler is selling more than Katy... but we know that's not true. Charting higher on Kworb's artist page =/= selling more. 
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Originally posted by KatyLegendperry
http://www.vevo.com/browse/top-videos
Katy videos in the VEVO top 300 this week:
17 Dark Horse
18 Roar
41 This Is How We Do
60 Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.)
85 Firework
114 Wide Awake
118 Hot n Cold
142 Part of Me
212 E.T.
214 Unconditionally
219 The One That Got Away
251 California Gurls
Gaga videos in the VEVO top 300 this week:
N/A
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And yet none of those songs have outsold Gaga's biggest hits. Strange.
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Originally posted by LoKoPaNdA
I agree both will be timeless but Katy has the advantage of more songs regardless of Gaga having a single that sold more. More classic songs=more timeless. And also see how people are listening to Katy more today and have been since 2011 too. It's okay though, time will tell.
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Neither of them have classic songs. Their music isn't old enough to be classics.
But for the most part I actually agree with this and I haven't once tried to ignorantly argue Katy won't be remembered or have timeless songs. It's the Kats trying to argue that about Gaga.
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Originally posted by ahauntingnearu
I hate how gaga fans are delusional to ignore the fact that gaga peaked immediately and her sales continue to decline album by album. Along with hit singles. Each album/era she has less and less. So yes duh she had more sales, but her whole career is front loaded. Let's see her next era though
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In their defense though, Britney Spears will be considered an icon in time and her career was also very frontloaded. Gaga and Britney are unique in that aspect they'll be remembered despite having frontloaded careers.
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Originally posted by Bang Up
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Yes we do, that's why all of them are charting on Billboard 200 and charts around the world and Gaga's solo studio albums aren't.
Like you call the "VEVO, iTunes" receipts dumb but yet you compare Gaga to Madonna, The Beatles and Michael Jackson.
Hilarious
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Originally posted by Starstruck.
Billboard 200:
192 200 194 1 - The Beatles - Apple/Capitol | UMe
194 Re-Entry 126 The Essential Michael Jackson - Michael Jackson - Epic | Legacy
N/A Lady Gaga's albums from 2008-2013
And Gaga has the advantage of "streams + single sales" but she still didn't chart
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and something like this is what I am talking about. People don't want to pay for her music these days after the hype and the first few weeks. Even if you don't wanna pay, you can still stream the music for free and even there, people are not interested enough. Like, Gaga hardly makes the Top50 on Spotify for most listened artists and it doesn't look like it will change from now on.
She had hits, PF and JD will be remembered, everything else will struggle.
And if you wanna be on the BB200, you hardly have to sell like 1,5k these days and even then...
Well, it's pointless to discuss this any further.
Katy obviously wins!
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LOL, both of them only have like one or two songs that would ever be played 5 years from now. Neither has a timeless catalog.
Gaga however will actually be remembered though.
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Originally posted by Rusty
Edited for accuracy. If this was the gauge of timelessness, The Beatles/MJ/Queen/ABBA/Madonna would not have any timeless music.
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Oh my goodness this really is not a hard concept to understand. Multiple Katy songs are still doing very well on all fronts despite being released years ago. I don't expect them to still be in the Vevo top 300 in 30 years. However, since they are still fairly recent songs from within the last decade and they are still charting high, they are on trend to become timeless songs that will be remembered in 30 years. Gaga has one with Poker Face but the rest of her discography is not doing it
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I feel like Gaga's music has had a stigma attached to it lately that makes it less 'timeless'. Katy has a stigma too (being child-like) but it's more easily overlooked so I'd go with her. 
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Originally posted by Bang Up
Nnn, you guys still don't know how to read Kworb?
According to your logic, Mark Knopfler is selling more than Katy... but we know that's not true. Charting higher on Kworb's artist page =/= selling more.
And yet none of those songs have outsold Gaga's biggest hits. Strange.
Neither of them have classic songs. Their music isn't old enough to be classics.
But for the most part I actually agree with this and I haven't once tried to ignorantly argue Katy won't be remembered or have timeless songs. It's the Kats trying to argue that about Gaga. |
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Kats  try to read these charts before you post them
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Gaga because most of Katy's 'hits' are extremely frontloaded
E.T.
Sales in 2011: 4,828,749
Total Sales: 5,700,000 (+0.9M)
California Gurls
Sales in 2010: 4,398,212
Total Sales: 5,604,000 (+1.2M)
And this goes for literally all of her hits except Firework
Meanwhile, Poker Face and Just Dance have sold almost 3 million copies after their peak
Posting VEVO/social media 'receipts' or iTunes positions in countries where iTunes is irrelevant isn't changing anything
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Originally posted by ezra
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Kinda ironic since you said The Beatles + Michael Jackson aren't selling but they are even selling more than Lady Gaga
yeah Katy is def more timeless
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Originally posted by idkher
Oh my goodness this really is not a hard concept to understand. Multiple Katy songs are still doing very well on all fronts despite being released years ago. I don't expect them to still be in the Vevo top 300 in 30 years. However, since they are still fairly recent songs from within the last decade and they are still charting high, they are on trend to become timeless songs that will be remembered in 30 years. Gaga has one with Poker Face but the rest of her discography is not doing it
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Apparently it is, though, since you can't quite take in all factors?
Katy Perry is currently more popular, hence her tour is doing very well, she performed at the Super bowl, has a concert film that just debuted, etc. This makes her material more current since it's getting press/radio play. It's doing better right now, and has better Vevo streams, iTunes positions, etc. Katy Perry's current popularity upswing co-inciding with Gaga's downward era with ARTPOP affects their CURRENT stats. Gaga's went down, Katy's went up. This has little bearing on who is more timeless. But if you'd like to do what the other Kats are doing and maybe post how TIHWD's Vevo stats are doing better than Gaga's videos which must make it timeless, please go right ahead.
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And not the RiRi stans coming for anyone's recurrent airplay
RIHANNA Umbrella f/Jay-Z: 0.435
RIHANNA Pon De Replay: 0.407
RIHANNA S&M: 0.347
RIHANNA What's My Name? f/Drake: 0.324
RIHANNA Take A Bow: 0.251
RIHANNA SOS: 0.221
RIHANNA Don't Stop The Music: 0.095
RIHANNA Disturbia: 0.083
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Quote:
Originally posted by slobro
Gaga because most of Katy's 'hits' are extremely frontloaded
E.T.
Sales in 2011: 4,828,749
Total Sales: 5,700,000 (+0.9M)
California Gurls
Sales in 2010: 4,398,212
Total Sales: 5,604,000 (+1.2M)
And this goes for literally all of her hits except Firework
Meanwhile, Poker Face and Just Dance have sold almost 3 million copies after their peak
Posting VEVO/social media or iTunes positions in countries where iTunes is irrelevant isn't changing anything
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Could you do the same with Gaga, specifically with Judas, You and I, Paparazzi, Love Game and Telephone?
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Originally posted by slobro
Gaga because most of Katy's 'hits' are extremely frontloaded
E.T.
Sales in 2011: 4,828,749
Total Sales: 5,800,000 (+1.0M)
California Gurls
Sales in 2010: 4,398,212
Total Sales: 5,700,000 (+1.3M)
And this goes for literally all of her hits except Firework
Meanwhile, Poker Face and Just Dance have sold almost 3 million copies after their peak
Posting VEVO/social media or iTunes positions in countries where iTunes is irrelevant isn't changing anything
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Fixed
You really want me to bring up Alejandro, Telephone, LoveGame, Paparazzi, The Edge Of Glory, Born This Way, etc?
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Originally posted by LoKoPaNdA
Could you do the same with Gaga, specifically with Judas, You and I, Paparazzi, Love Game and Telephone?
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Agreed. Lets also take a little look at The Edge of Glory, Poker Face, Just Dance, Bad Romance and Applause 
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Whose music will be more remembered? Easily Katy.
Whose career overall will be more remembered? Easily Lady Gaga.
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Originally posted by ezra
Agreed. Lets also take a little look at The Edge of Glory, Poker Face, Just Dance, Bad Romance and Applause
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Forgot king of longevity Judas, ezra. My fave off BTW too.
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Originally posted by ezra
Agreed. Lets also take a little look at The Edge of Glory, Poker Face, Just Dance, Bad Romance and Applause
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Bad Romance: 0.5M since December 2011
The Edge Of Glory: 0.9M Since September 2011
Applause: 
Poker Face: 1.2M since March 2011
Just Dance: 0.9M since February 2011
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Originally posted by LoKoPaNdA
Could you do the same with Gaga, specifically with Judas, You and I, Paparazzi, Love Game and Telephone?
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Y&I makes frequent appearances in the top 1000
Anyway those songs were not as big in the US as those mentioned so the comparison doesn't make sense
Just Dance, Poker Face, ET, California Gurls, and many Katy hits have sold about the same amount during their chartrun, yet Poker Face and Just Dance sold 7M(+) since then while Katy's songs keep stalling below the 5M/6M mark because they were frontloaded
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