[gloamingtheplain]

I seriously think some people in here are lowering their IQ just to drag Meghan

Originally posted by Javan

I haven't seen the music video or Heard the song but I can already see that this isn't a good look, just by this pic and the song title

The video shows her as a housewife, but the whole video is sarcastic. They are making her out to be this housewife that should cook, clean and look after her husband. All them Men in the video expect her too cook, clean and be the potential "perfect wife" and in the end, her last date comes over and brings Pizza, which is the guy she chooses.
Why? Because it's a guy that didn't expect her to cook just because she's the women.

If anything, it IS Feminist Which is what makes this whole debate so idiotic

Originally posted by Flare

Had this thread been about Xtina or Bey, the responses would be so different so this is laughable. ATRL bias is so real for certain artists.

Meghan always delivers these anti-feminist lyrics and people think it's cute when she backtracks em. Glad people are picking up on it and lashing her accordingly.

Yeah, you have no idea what you're talking about and have literally not watched the video, or the message went over your head. Sorry.

Originally posted by Redstreak

Instead of decrying the "PC police" (oh god no, people who are trying to push society forward in terms of equality and human understanding, the horror) you could maybe, I don't know, ignore them?

Most of the PC Police are trying to push us back though And also have no idea what they are trying to represent. Their idea of Feminism is that women should fit the mould of what they expect a women to be.

Originally posted by Sazare

Here are more publications if anyone wants to try to call Idolator's analysis into doubt.



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Wow at her basically being this generation's Phyllis Schlafly.

Just more examples of people having sarcasm detection equivalent of Sheldon Cooper.

[Kali.]

everyone just LOVES to be offended nowadays

[Lord Blackout]

Yawn people need to stop getting offended for attention/an opportunity to fill a gap in their meaningless lives.

[Almighty Gaga]

As an artist who respects creative integrity and intellectual property, I am disgusted with how much she's encouraging women to sleep on the left side of the bed and visiting their families more than their husbands' families. Does she not have any value or respect for originality? She's a laughing stock, it's cheesy, it's disgusting, I personally found it absolutely artistically atrocious.

[HOD]

BYE, I'm not even a fan of this girl but not everything has to be feminist these days.

My God, people are getting more and more stupid these days, it's mind blowing.

[Cain]

But isn't the whole point of feminism that women can do whatever they want without having to concern about the opinion of men? Or other women?

Like if she wants to clean the floor let her

[Last Boy on Earth]

Originally posted by Rihinvention

No shade but what are Western feminists actually achieving other than ranting online?

Nothing

[Buyonce1814]

There's nothing unfeminist about wanting to serve your partner.

They did the same with Cater 2 U.

Like the whole point of feminism is that women should be able to do what men do too - they should be equal and be allowed to do whatever they want. If a woman wants to bake her man (or woman) a cake or whatever then let her - there's nothing anti-feminist about that. What's anti-feminist is telling women not to.

[Sazare]

Originally posted by gloamingtheplain

Just more examples of people having sarcasm detection equivalent of Sheldon Cooper.

Please find me even a hint of sarcasm anywhere in those song lyrics or in that video. I'm fairly certain irony is beyond Meghan's abilities as a songwriter/videographer.

[Rico Shameless v2]

The video was stupid and the song is terrible but anti feminism is a stretch.

[Rihinvention]

Originally posted by Buyonce1814

There's nothing unfeminist about wanting to serve your partner.

They did the same with Cater 2 U.

Like the whole point of feminism is that women should be able to do what men do too - they should be equal and be allowed to do whatever they want. If a woman wants to baker her man (or girl) a pie then let her - there's nothing anti-feminist about that. What's anti-feminist is telling women not to.

The true reverse-feminism anthem of our generation

Has anyone seen 'Mona Lisa Smile'?

There's this really powerful scene at the end where Julia Roberts character is trying to inspire Julia Stiles to go to grad school and get her law degree and become a lawyer, and she basically says "I'm choosing to stay at home and be a mother/housewife. It doesn't make me any less intelligent or powerful, because it's what I'm choosing."

[Artemisia]

Meghan is like so ****ing regressive, I cant. And she's masquerading around like she's some new age woman. Girl gone.

[Pelvic Thrust]

I'm starting to think that this Meghan girl is actually retarded irl.

[lousaysthings]

The true irony is all this gynocentric misogyny really. Women should be supportive of each other, not bashing each other for having views.

[gloamingtheplain]

Originally posted by Sazare

Please find me even a hint of sarcasm anywhere in those song lyrics or in that video. I'm fairly certain irony is beyond Meghan's abilities as a songwriter/videographer.

Maybe it's the fact the video portrays the exact opposite of what she says.

"You got that 9 to 5
But, baby, so do I
So don't be thinking I'll be home and baking apple pies"

And yet in the video we see her in the kitchen, baking.
It's sarcasm. She's behaving the way people expected "traditional" women to behave in the past.
And she falls for the guy who brought Pizza, because the guy didn't expect her to cook because she was the Woman.

If you can't interpret images and audio separately, perhaps work on that.

[Buyonce1814]

Originally posted by gloamingtheplain

Maybe it's the fact the video portrays the exact opposite of what she says.

"You got that 9 to 5
But, baby, so do I
So don't be thinking I'll be home and baking apple pies"

And yet in the video we see her in the kitchen, baking.
It's sarcasm. She's behaving the way people expected "traditional" women to behave in the past.
And she falls for the guy who brought Pizza, because the guy didn't expect her to cook because she was the Woman.

If you can't interpret images and audio separately, perhaps work on that.

So basically the 'feminists'complaining missed the whole point?

[Sazare]

Originally posted by gloamingtheplain

Maybe it's the fact the video portrays the exact opposite of what she says.

"You got that 9 to 5
But, baby, so do I
So don't be thinking I'll be home and baking apple pies"

And yet in the video we see her in the kitchen, baking.
It's sarcasm. She's behaving the way people expected "traditional" women to behave in the past.
And she falls for the guy who brought Pizza, because the guy didn't expect her to cook because she was the Woman.

If you can't interpret images and audio separately, perhaps work on that.

Erm. Well. First of all, none of the things I quoted in my original post had to do with the video, nor are any of these points you're responding with even remotely bordering on "sarcasm." So I have no idea why you're only citing the (supposed) sarcasm in the video. Second: none of this irony you're alleging subverts or serves any greater purpose. She's seen baking when women traditionally were supposed to cook because...what? What commentary is she trying to make about traditional women? She's not conveying any sort of contempt for or making any commentary about "traditionalist" values for women, she's just conforming to them. It's only sarcasm if there's a message beyond the literal. Which there isn't here.

And she falls for the guy who brought Pizza, because the guy didn't expect her to cook because she was the Woman.

Yes, I too always slap a ring on the first man who assumes I won't be able to do things. I'm so subversive and modern like that. (Or is that part of the video supposed to be "sarcastic," too?)

[Nano]

Originally posted by Sazare

Erm. Well. First of all, none of the things I quoted in my original post had to do with the video, nor are any of these points you're responding with even remotely bordering on "sarcasm." So I have no idea why you're only citing the (supposed) sarcasm in the video. Second: none of this irony you're alleging subverts or serves any greater purpose. She's seen baking when women traditionally were supposed to cook because...what? What commentary is she trying to make about traditional women? She's not conveying any sort of contempt for or making any commentary about "traditionalist" values for women, she's just conforming to them. It's only sarcasm if there's a message beyond the literal. Which there isn't here.



Yes, I too always slap a ring on the first man who assumes I won't be able to do things. I'm so subversive and modern like that. (Or is that part of the video supposed to be "sarcastic," too?)

First of all, you're obsessed with Meghan. Second, this thread is about the video so one would assume that you were talking about the video in your post. Third, you did talk about the video in your post. 4th, the point of feminism is to let women do what they want.

[B'Day]

Originally posted by Bang Up

Lmao, these fake feminists. Feminism is being able to do what you want and what makes you happy. If being a stereotypical, husband-doting wife is what Meghan wants, real feminism supports that.

She's a young girl who loves men and so she writes about them. There's nothing anti-feminist about that. The only people who think that are probably the white teens on Tumblr.

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[gloamingtheplain]

Originally posted by Sazare

Erm. Well. First of all, none of the things I quoted in my original post had to do with the video, nor are any of these points you're responding with even remotely bordering on "sarcasm." So I have no idea why you're only citing the (supposed) sarcasm in the video. Second: none of this irony you're alleging subverts or serves any greater purpose. She's seen baking when women traditionally were supposed to cook because...what? What commentary is she trying to make about traditional women? She's not conveying any sort of contempt for or making any commentary about "traditionalist" values for women, she's just conforming to them. It's only sarcasm if there's a message beyond the literal. Which there isn't here.



Yes, I too always slap a ring on the first man who assumes I won't be able to do things. I'm so subversive and modern like that. (Or is that part of the video supposed to be "sarcastic," too?)

Because the song is tongue and check. You're taking a song thats not meant to be taken serious, seriously. Then again, this is coming from someone who worships Carly who makes music that couldn't be more to the point.

Who said she's trying to make commentary? Why are people turning this into some political statement. She's just saying not every women (including herself) wants to be that traditional woman.

Yes, I too always slap a ring on the first man who assumes I won't be able to do things. I'm so subversive and modern like that.

You clearly just don't get it. Who said anything about not being able to do things. The video did go over your head. Its about having the right of not being expected to do things.