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News: New Charlie Hebdo Cover- shows Prophet Muhammad holding sign
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Originally posted by Katyanna
I don't know about your reading comprehension but for your sake, I did write the word "HERE".
Anyways, I don't have time to spoon feed you. I do respect your "opinion" and I hope, even there's a slim chance, you know how to respect others opinion. Have a good day!  ) |
It's frightening how you can disguise hateful insinuations made to demonize a group of people as an "opinion".
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The people going "I don't condone violence but those Charlie people..." sound like the people going "I don't condone raping women, but some of them are asking for it with those mini skirts!" 
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All I've got to say really is that Muhammad SHOULD be portrayed in drawings, films, the media etc.
The whole idea of not depicting him is silly. He was a human, part of human history like everyone else, and if people want to use his image then they should be free to do so.
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Member Since: 2/5/2014
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
Why the warning tags?
LET THE WHOLE WORLD SEE THIS
It's just a drawing of him. And even if it showed him in ****ographic poses, or disemboweled, or whatever, that is totally fine. Religious figures SHOULD be mocked and dismantled and be done away with. They are not above ANYTHING.
LET THE WHOLE WORLD SEE THIS IMAGE. There is Mohammed in a drawing. DEAL WITH IT. |
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Member Since: 7/23/2010
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Originally posted by Brando
This. Islam is still a very young religious and they are currently going through their equivalent of dark age Christianity. Truly sorry for them. It will take hundreds of years for them to see progress.
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1500 years old is not young. Christianity is just older but that doesn't make Islam a "very young" religion. And considering Muslims have the benefit of modern technology and mass communication today there's really no excuse for the backward thinking. The problem with Islam is it became a fundamentalist religion. It used to be far more liberal before until a fundamentalist Islamic school prevailed. It won't see progress until it undergoes a major reform.
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Member Since: 7/23/2010
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Originally posted by H-I-M
Neither are Christians
You shall not make for yourself a carved image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above or that is on the earth beneath or that is in the water below
Exodus 20:4
The only places where you'll find those paintings are in CATHOLIC edifices and households.
That's one of the many distinctions between Catholic Christians and Protestant Christians.
The pic Bruce posted of CH making fun of the Holy trinity is way worse than anything they've done to the Prophet by the way.
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And Orthodox and Anglicans of which together make up majority of Christians. There is nothing wrong with the use of icons. Even one of the Gospel writers had a painting of the Virgin Mary. All of the laws in the Old Testament except for the 10 Commandments have already been superseded by the New Testament so quoting them to justify anything is no longer relevant. They are Judaic laws not Christian laws hence mainstream Christians don't strictly follow them.
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As a non believer, you don't have to follow any religion but you should have the decency to respect them.
The Muslims don't want any representation of their prophet and it's been this way for centuries, why not respect that?
There shouldn't be any representation of Jesus either but Vatican is ok with all the representations (they have them in their churches and books). Last time I checked, mosques don't have any representation of Muhammad.
I'm an atheist but for me this is about respecting other people beliefs. Respect is a 2 ways street! As long as Hebdo keeps provoking these people (they are doing it for attention and profit by the way), they'll get attacked and sorry not sorry, I don't feel bad for them, even though I'm against violence
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Originally posted by YouBetterPopBitch
Brilliant cover.
I'm sorry but the ones offended by that cover are the ones that don't understand it.
There's nothing offensive in it, really.
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Member Since: 11/20/2011
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Originally posted by J a y
I'm sure I won't need to translate them for anyone.
But it's satire so it's ok, ok?
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In America before Obama was elected to his first term, The New Yorker, a liberal magazine published by Conde Nast (Vogue), published this cartoon on its cover . . .
The idea was that it was supposed to be a satire on all the right-wing stereotypes being used against the Obamas. Michelle as a militant, angry black woman . . . Barack as a Muslim fundamentalist . . . Osama's portrait hanging up over the mantel while an American flag burns in the fireplace . . .blah, blah, blah. Those Hebdo cartoons are supposed to be understood in the same vein. The extremist right is supposedly being mocked, not the people in the cartoons.
The thing about that kind of satire is that it looks exactly like the type of propaganda that racists and right wing extremists would produce. If your satire looks exactly like the material that right wing/ racist/ whatever phobic produce, then is it really satire?
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by LordMombi
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Not you agreeing with that ignorant post 
You guys have more respect for Pop stars than people's religion. It's sad.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Superpower
As a non believer, you don't have to follow any religion but you should have the decency to respect them.
The Muslims don't want any representation of their prophet and it's been this way for centuries, why not respect that?
There shouldn't be any representation of Jesus either but Vatican is ok with all the representations (they have them in their churches and books). Last time I checked, mosques don't have any representation of Muhammad.
I'm an atheist but for me this is about respecting other people beliefs. Respect is a 2 ways street! As long as Hebdo keeps provoking these people (they are doing it for attention and profit by the way), they'll get attacked and sorry not sorry, I don't feel bad for them, even though I'm against violence
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But did you see how the streets were filled with muslims burning that Mahoma cover and wishing death upon the authors? No religion should make a man who expresses himself through art be afraif of his life.
Like someone has already mentioned, Muslims live in the same dark ages that we Christians did in our XVI century, so you can't blame most of the population in Muslim countries for not knowing any better, still I want that their Renaissance comes and shows the world what a wonderful and loving culture they are
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Originally posted by uhoh-ohno
In America before Obama was elected to his first term, The New Yorker, a liberal magazine published by Conde Nast (Vogue), published this cartoon on its cover . . .
The idea was that it was supposed to be a satire on all the right-wing stereotypes being used against the Obamas. Michelle as a militant, angry black woman . . . Barack as a Muslim fundamentalist . . . Osama's portrait hanging up over the mantel while an American flag burns in the fireplace . . .blah, blah, blah. Those Hebdo cartoons are supposed to be understood in the same vein. The extremist right is supposedly being mocked, not the people in the cartoons.
The thing about that kind of satire is that it looks exactly like the type of propaganda that racists and right wing extremists would produce. If your satire looks exactly like the material that right wing/ racist/ whatever phobic produce, then is it really satire? |
Great example  I don't think they know what satire actually is, tbh
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Originally posted by Superpower
Not you agreeing with that ignorant post
You guys have more respect for Pop stars than people's religion. It's sad. |
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Originally posted by princedonte
No gays killed Eminem over that. What the terrorists did was wrong. They not only killed 12 people who worked for the magazine they also killed 4 other people who had nothing to do with it and they killed them just because they were Jewish. The outrage should be at the gunmen not a damn magazine with only 200,000 in circulation. Who does more damage to Islam radicals or satirists?
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You're missing the point. I don't know if you're familiar with the plight of Muslims/Arabs/Blacks in France, but it's rather grim. There's kind of a chicken/egg phenomenon going on there. On the one hand, you have people saying that many Muslims/Arabs don't want to assimilate into French society, and on the other hand you have poverty, discrimination, disproportionate unemployment, etc. among those groups that's keeping them from assimilating. So, whose to blame?
Muslims and Arabs are easy targets, especially in France, just like gays are easy targets for Eminem.
I.AX is saying that a lot of you gays are real quick to see how homophobia oppresses you and call out Em because you can see the far reaching implications and consequences of using the F word in his music, but you can't see how Islamaphobia just adds to the noise that's keeping so many Muslims and Arabs from being fully French.
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Member Since: 8/31/2012
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Originally posted by Superpower
Not you agreeing with that ignorant post
You guys have more respect for Pop stars than people's religion. It's sad. |
As people have mentioned. Jesus, Mary, etc have been depicted much worse on Charlie and many other publications. That is the entire nature of satire. That everyone and EVERYTHING is open to criticism and poking. the fact that you don't get this. I hope you aren't a fellow freedom loving American.
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Originally posted by Bríseis
People should learn to respect each other, including religious beliefs, traditions and cultural differences, not mock each other. We shouldnt mock something that is sacred to so many ( |
why?
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Member Since: 4/30/2011
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Originally posted by Superpower
As a non believer, you don't have to follow any religion but you should have the decency to respect them.
The Muslims don't want any representation of their prophet and it's been this way for centuries, why not respect that?
There shouldn't be any representation of Jesus either but Vatican is ok with all the representations (they have them in their churches and books). Last time I checked, mosques don't have any representation of Muhammad.
I'm an atheist but for me this is about respecting other people beliefs. Respect is a 2 ways street! As long as Hebdo keeps provoking these people (they are doing it for attention and profit by the way), they'll get attacked and sorry not sorry, I don't feel bad for them, even though I'm against violence
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Member Since: 3/6/2011
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lol people should stop believing in fairy tale characters.  also this non depiction rule of islam is absolutely stupid I mean who benefits from that? what effect doesn it have on ppl's everyday life if a person is portrayed or not?
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Another problem in here is that some are generalizing all Muslim people as belonging to the same group as the extremists that commit acts of terrorism. I don't think some people understand that IS and Al-Qaeda are not representative of a majority, or even plurality or significant minority, of people who follow Islam.
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