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Poll: Is Taylor already bigger than Brittney?
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by °ColdFire°
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Hopefully the Army remembers that the next time they go to troll Beyonce.
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Originally posted by slobro
Year - Total US Album Sales (Soundscan)
1999 - 754,800,000
2000 - 785,000,000
2001 - 763,000,000
2002 - 681,000,000
2003 - 687,000,000
2004 - 667,000,000
2005 - 618,900,000
2006 - 542,400,000
2007 - 500,500,000
2008 - 428,400,000
2009 - 373,900,000
2010 - 326,150,000
2011 - 330,570,000
2012 - 315,960,000
2013 - 289,410,000
2014 - 257,000,000
The decline is even worse WW, so what benefic does Taylor even have 
If you're comparing absolute sales (out of context) then Britney obviously has the advantage, but that doesn't show that Britney herself was bigger than Tatylor, rather, the market during her time was bigger than during Taylor's time.
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And? We have TEAs/SEAs to compare and you keep trying to work your way around them despite every major chart organization endorsing them now  We can easily compare Taylor's sales today to Britney's from her time.
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Member Since: 4/20/2011
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Originally posted by Eternium
Hopefully the Army remembers that the next time they go to troll Beyonce.
And? We have TEAs/SEAs to compare and you keep trying to work your way around them despite every major chart organization endorsing them now We can easily compare Taylor's sales today to Britney's from her time. |
Charts use them to compare current albums to each other, not current albums with albums from the 90s/early 00s
You can compare if you want, but when the comparison heavily favors one side (even with TEA included) then the comparison is meaningless 
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Originally posted by slobro
You can compare if you want, but when the comparison heavily favors one side then the comparison is invalid.
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The comparison favors Britney because she's been out 8 years longer, 3 studio albums, 2 greatest hits albums and 2 remixes album past Taylor (though Taylor has two more live EPs and a Christmas album). The market has nothing to do with it since we have TEAs/SEAs to compare how the market has changed.
Then again, I'm sure your "multiply 2014 albums by 7.96" method is more accurate than what music industry officials could come up with 
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Yes tbh, considering this day and age with internet piracy. Singles, albums sells and tours are in Taylors favor,she's only 25 and Taylor's career most likely won't be front loaded like Britneys.
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Member Since: 6/25/2012
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Originally posted by Eternium
Taylor isn't up against artists eras like Come On Over, Millennium, TSSLP, etc. She faced one era on that level (21) and it totally demolished her. Taylor is undeniably huge but when we account for TEAs/SEAs, she is a little past half Britney's career.
1. Frozen.
2. It isn't. "Living for Love" hasn't even hit 100k yet, has it? MDNA did 537k in the U.S. (185k would not count under today's rules). Rebel Heart may do better than MDNA (though MDNA had the Superbowl) but B9 will come out this year against it.
Exactly  Britney is a legend and Taylor is an icon. They both win.  |
No 1989 snatched Frozen in the very last week 
rebel heart already has 200k pre-orders already biggerthan bj first week 
None cares about singles both of them flopped madonna's tour>>>>>
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Member Since: 4/5/2014
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lol ya'll can keep bringing up album sales decline but didn't 21 sell 25-30 million copies this decade? taylor could sell 30 million copies with one album but she hasn't...
britney didn't sell what she sold because album sales were bigger than, it's because SHE was big. stay reaching, pressed haters.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Dollas n Diamonds
No 1989 snatched Frozen in the very last week
rebel heart already has 200k pre-orders already biggerthan bj first week
None cares about singles both of them flopped madonna's tour>>>>> |
Frozen won 2014 on BB and NSS. Keep in mind that TEAs/SEAs have been added
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Originally posted by Billboard
preorders for Rebel Heart at a robust (considering the situation) 50,000 to 60,000, according to industry estimates
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Not you almost quadrupling the pre-orders 
Singles don't magically "not count" because the person you wanted to win lost  BJ will also have bigger streams (Madonna hasn't had a VEVO-certified video yet).
Well, at least Madonna has the tour Then again, Britney will gross $65 in the U.S. just from a residency. How much does Madonna generally pull in in the U.S.?
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Yes.
Britney had some blonde bimbo/copycats woo hoo but Taylor is able to create her own niche and mold her legacy herself which is something that nobody can duplicate. She's created a bond with her fans that's gonna last a very long time too which doesn't just consist of nostalgia.
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You feel?, I didn't know that was a fact, the receipts say no.
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She's bigger and more respected than current Britney, yes. It will take her years and years to get past Britney in sales and impact though.
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Originally posted by Eternium
The comparison favors Britney because
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Originally posted by slobro
TEA (album sales + downloads/10) during Britney's peak (obviously there were no downloads then):
Year - TEA
1999 - 3,183,000,000
2000 - 3,112,000,000
2001 - 2,908,000,000
During Taylor's peak:
2012 - 1,291,700,000
2013 - ~1,197,600,000
2014 - ~1,066,500,000
As usual, your comparisons heavily favor Britney (by three times in this case).
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If you don't see how this favors Britney..
(IFPI didn't report global number of streams in their last RIN but SEA wouldn't come close to closing the ~2 billion albums gap anyway)
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Eternium
Frozen won 2014 on BB and NSS. Keep in mind that TEAs/SEAs have been added
Not you almost quadrupling the pre-orders
Singles don't magically "not count" because the person you wanted to win lost BJ will also have bigger streams (Madonna hasn't had a VEVO-certified video yet).
Well, at least Madonna has the tour Then again, Britney will gross $65 in the U.S. just from a residency. How much does Madonna generally pull in in the U.S.? |
omg the slayage 
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Ofc not Britney's a legend
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Originally posted by slobro
Year - Total US Album Sales (Soundscan)
1999 - 754,800,000
2000 - 785,000,000
2001 - 763,000,000
2002 - 681,000,000
2003 - 687,000,000
2004 - 667,000,000
2005 - 618,900,000
2006 - 542,400,000
2007 - 500,500,000
2008 - 428,400,000
2009 - 373,900,000
2010 - 326,150,000
2011 - 330,570,000
2012 - 315,960,000
2013 - 289,410,000
2014 - 257,000,000
The decline is even worse WW, so what benefit does Taylor even have
If you're comparing absolute sales (out of context) then Britney obviously has the advantage, but that doesn't mean that Britney herself was bigger than Taylor, just that albums sold way better back then in general.
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Britney Spears was a bigger act, name, musician. She had mass crowds around her wherever she went. She was a HUGE name. Taylor hasn't gotten there...yet. And my posts has nothing to do with numbers. Taylor has done exceptionally well as a country artist and now as a pop artist. We'll see where the next few years take her. But, IMO, right now she is not on Britney's level.
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Originally posted by ianBK4
omg the slayage |
The fact that those are record-breaking numbers for Vegas
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Originally posted by Vine101
Yes.
Britney had some blonde bimbo/copycats woo hoo but Taylor is able to create her own niche and mold her legacy herself which is something that nobody can duplicate. She's created a bond with her fans that's gonna last a very long time too which doesn't just consist of nostalgia. |
Some of those blonde bimbo/copycats are icons that have brought more to pop culture than Taylor has.
Britney's not just nostalgia. I'm one of like three Britney stans on ATRL that's actually old enough to remember the release of ...BOMT. Britney has already proved that her bond will last a long time seeing as her fans continue to support her early work and later works (see: Scream & Shout, a terrible 2012 single, outselling every Taylor Swift single). Meanwhile Taylor has yet to prove that her fans will still follow her even after something as dire as what Britney went through from 2006-2008.
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Originally posted by slobro
If you don't see how this favors Britney..
(IFPI didn't report global number of streams in their last RIN but SEA wouldn't come close to closing the ~2 billion albums gap anyway) |
Would you also like to post how many albums/singles were released in 2000 as opposed to 2012? Once again, you're manipulating data by leaving out segments of the truth (like when you included JD's early 2008 sales in to its catalogue figure).
The bump SEAs gives is more than enough to make up for the shift in the music industry especially when you take in to consideration that fewer acts released, catalogue sales were considerably lower and none of the artists were nearly as individually successful.
You might as well say 2011 sales can't be compared to 2010 because Adele single-handedly raised them. 
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This is why Swifites are annoying, you are always try to throw other artists under the bus to make Taylor look better.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Vine101
Yes.
Britney had some blonde bimbo/copycats woo hoo but Taylor is able to create her own niche and mold her legacy herself which is something that nobody can duplicate. She's created a bond with her fans that's gonna last a very long time too which doesn't just consist of nostalgia. |
What niche does she have? What is her legacy? She is a glorified bubblegum pop star.
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Originally posted by revel8
I remember Madonna when she was at her peak. I know how big she was. Taylor is the biggest female act in the US since Madonna. Taylor is the biggest US act right now and has been dominating for more than half a decade. No artist (of any gender) has come close to doing that in my lifetime. Britney certainly never did it. At her peak, there was NSync, Destiny's Child, Eminem, and Backstreet Boys.
Which US act is close to Taylor? Gaga, Katy Perry, Beyonce? Bruno Mars, JT? Please, none of those can sell close to the albums and concert tickets in the US that Taylor can. She is dominant in a way I have not seen before, and we are 9 years into her career already. It is no flash in the pan. 1989 is merely cementing how dominant she is. Now Taylor is making mainstream pop music, she is getting those no 1 on Hot 100 too. Already up to 3 since 2012. She is clearly going to get more no 1s than Britney did when looking at total careers.
The only thing Britney has over Taylor is that her peak coincided with the peak of music sales. So Britney has higher sales in absolute terms, but not in relative terms. Last year, Taylor crushed the opposition who released albums that year to a level that is unprecedented in terms of market share. Britney never came close to doing that. NSync, Eminem, BSB made sure of that.
Britney has had longevity, fair play to her, but other contemporary acts of hers are currently bigger like Beyonce, Eminem and JT. Not to mention Madonna.
Whitney, Mariah, Janet were also massive of course, but they were never the dominant American act for more than half a decade, like Taylor has been. In the 90s, Garth Brooks was massive, Madonna, MJ etc.
Madonna was more global than Taylor. But Taylor is truly global with this era, and it is being achieved when she is still younger than Madonna was when she first smashed ww. Social media on the internet is giving contemporary artists the way to get more media attention than ever before. Taylor takes a pic of her holiday? 50 million people see it instanty and the media then create countless online articles about it. Artist's today have more widespread impact than artists have ever been able to have. Sales are down due to piracy, but artist's can reach more people daily than ever before. That is social impact.
Taylor is like the Madonna of the 21st Century. Bookmark me and come back in ten years. Taylor, Beyonce and Eminem are the US artists who will be looked back upon as the defining artists of this part of the 21st Century, in the same way that the Beatles, Rolling Stones and Motown define the 1960s.
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Taylor isn't close to the Madonna of the 21st Century, and she isn't the biggest popstar since her either. Music & Pop Culture are different now. Taylor can sell albums much like Michael Buble but there's more to being dominant than selling music in a form that doesn't define the new generation. Taylor has never topped Forbes (a good job done on measuring dominance I say), and it is for good reason. After her best selling albums in the US, she did not peak anyone's interest until the VMA incident. Many people didn't know who she was. If someone, anyone not just popstar is so extraordinary dominant it infatuates the general public. They want to know of the phenomenon, learn of it. Just look at Lady Gaga back in 2009-2010. People were so infatuated by her they wanted to know if she sleeps in her "costumes". Just look at president Obama, so phenomenal by being the first black president that her became a massive celebrity figure almost like a media personality to even the youth who don't have much interest to politics. So interested in what made them phenomenal and the same applies to Britney to the point they were overly obsessed with her life with no personal scandal then. People only know about Taylor's relationship because SHE had to keep talking about it. Gaga and Britney topped Forbes beating out politicians, sportsman, actors, fellow singers because the power they had was very much real. They became everyday trivia and actually infiltrated everyday lives and became references everywhere for people to catch. I cannot think of one show where Britney has not been referenced pre-breakdown. Friends, Fraiser, Will & Grace, Sex in the City and even movies and even songs. Many people here have a wrong idea of pop music. Not everyone listens to it. It's actually a niche (using this loosely) in a world where there are nerdy paleontologists with no knowledge of Top 40 music to elders with no interest in music they call noise or little kids whose only entertainment are gaming and nothing else. It's not the world. Truly dominating means infiltrating real life, and that's something Taylor has not had unlike Madonna and Beyonce (the true dominant force as of today).
I'm sorry but dominating pop music in every form is not dominating like Madonna or Whitney or Eminem. Taylor has also not dominated the pop music scene like you proclaim boldly. She has only had 3 #1s in a generation where the Hot 100 is very defining. It takes into account streaming, which alone is important to be dominant. Taylor is really far behind her peers, even Britney has had more #1s with the current generation. Her streaming numbers are nothing impressive except her new era. Katy and Bieber/Gaga in their peak have streaming numbers that will make your jaw drop. Taylor's 2nd 300 million vevo video was during this era. Vevo is very important in this day and age, probably the most important and most open to the GP. TRL/MTV defined the old and was also open to the GP, Britney dominated and has the most retired videos of any act. I'm going to stop here and not talk about other things like taylor's touring numbers being as impressive as other girls from her generation unlike Britney's in the early 00s where they were always higher (even on decline) because if you have only been a force on the biggest music source (Youtube) of the biggest 21st phenomenon (the Internet) then that alone prevents you from being dominant. Artists may have more visibility now than they did back the due to social media, but social media has also fast paced the music scene that most things are forgotten and overshadowed through compulsive consumption and this wasn't a problem in the 80s and 90s where the biggest peaks in music lie. Coincidence? Of course not.
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