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Poll: Is Taylor already bigger than Brittney?
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Originally posted by Beyy
Worldwide, I doubt if grown people (without kids for example) even know who she is.
Britney was a household name.
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My parents don't know ha and my sister only knows her because of the Kanye incident. But my other sister used to BOP to Love Story and used to rly like ha but she grew up (no shade). Everybody knows Britney, BOMT, Toxic, OIDIA, her shaving her head etc
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@Eternium
She did 600k 
I was never arguing Taylor was bigger ww only in the us 
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Originally posted by muddysquirrel
Yes. Gunning for diamond with your 5th LP in absolutely dead music market is much more impressive than what Brit has ever done.
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Originally posted by B'Day
I was born in the iconic year of 1998, and I can say Britney > Taylor
BOMT is ICONIC. Me and my gurls back in secondary school used to bop to BOMT and Toxic in the dinner canteen.
Britney has iconic looks, hits, controversy, performances, albums etc and Taylor has good sales. Which is cute, but there's much more than that 
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I certainly hope you ment 1989 cause 
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In the US she's obviously already way bigger than Britney. She's like the biggest popstar ever here.
Outside the US she had a disadvantage due to her "country" origins but her success keeps growing while Britney was already on a steady decline at this point in her career.
So yes.
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Originally posted by muddysquirrel
Yes. Gunning for diamond with your 5th LP in absolutely dead music market is much more impressive than what Brit has ever done.
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2 diamond albums > one not guaranteed diamond album.
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Originally posted by Eternium
Are you talking about success?
Taylor is in the vicinity of Beyonce (solo), Rihanna, Lady Gaga, Adele and P!nk solo, trailing only Rihanna.
Neither of our faves are on Madonna's level. The closest to Britney is Beyonce (overall) and even she's nowhere close. Britney's also never surpassing Whitney Houston so she's pretty much stuck at 5th place unless Barbra Streisand manages to pass her again.
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I remember Madonna when she was at her peak. I know how big she was. Taylor is the biggest female act in the US since Madonna. Taylor is the biggest US act right now and has been dominating for more than half a decade. No artist (of any gender) has come close to doing that in my lifetime. Britney certainly never did it. At her peak, there was NSync, Destiny's Child, Eminem, and Backstreet Boys.
Which US act is close to Taylor? Gaga, Katy Perry, Beyonce? Bruno Mars, JT? Please, none of those can sell close to the albums and concert tickets in the US that Taylor can. She is dominant in a way I have not seen before, and we are 9 years into her career already. It is no flash in the pan. 1989 is merely cementing how dominant she is. Now Taylor is making mainstream pop music, she is getting those no 1 on Hot 100 too. Already up to 3 since 2012. She is clearly going to get more no 1s than Britney did when looking at total careers.
The only thing Britney has over Taylor is that her peak coincided with the peak of music sales. So Britney has higher sales in absolute terms, but not in relative terms. Last year, Taylor crushed the opposition who released albums that year to a level that is unprecedented in terms of market share. Britney never came close to doing that. NSync, Eminem, BSB made sure of that.
Britney has had longevity, fair play to her, but other contemporary acts of hers are currently bigger like Beyonce, Eminem and JT. Not to mention Madonna.
Whitney, Mariah, Janet were also massive of course, but they were never the dominant American act for more than half a decade, like Taylor has been. In the 90s, Garth Brooks was massive, Madonna, MJ etc.
Madonna was more global than Taylor. But Taylor is truly global with this era, and it is being achieved when she is still younger than Madonna was when she first smashed ww. Social media on the internet is giving contemporary artists the way to get more media attention than ever before. Taylor takes a pic of her holiday? 50 million people see it instanty and the media then create countless online articles about it. Artist's today have more widespread impact than artists have ever been able to have. Sales are down due to piracy, but artist's can reach more people daily than ever before. That is social impact.
Taylor is like the Madonna of the 21st Century. Bookmark me and come back in ten years. Taylor, Beyonce and Eminem are the US artists who will be looked back upon as the defining artists of this part of the 21st Century, in the same way that the Beatles, Rolling Stones and Motown define the 1960s.
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Originally posted by Eternium
She'll be around 4.2M once her third single hits radio. I don't see her going past 7x Platinum. I'd have to stop you and say 14x Platinum is more impressive  |
She will be around 5,6 mil with new UWC chart out this week. 
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Originally posted by alfonso12
At the momment she is, but Britney at her peak was waaaaay bigger.
Taylor has failed to deliver a smash hit, iconic videos and iconic performances, Britney had a bunch of that.
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Originally posted by B'Day
I was born in the iconic year of 1998, and I can say Britney > Taylor
BOMT is ICONIC. Me and my gurls back in secondary school used to bop to BOMT and Toxic in the dinner canteen.
Britney has iconic looks, hits, controversy, performances, albums etc and Taylor has good sales. Which is cute, but there's much more than that
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Wait, I remember that post you made about being born in 1998 and not remembering Britney at all from '98-'01. Yess @ you joining the team 
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Originally posted by Bey_Rihstan
2 diamond albums > one not guaranteed diamond album.
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The Hive coming through for the Army today  I owe you guys one.
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Originally posted by revel8
I remember Madonna when she was at her peak. I know how big she was. Taylor is the biggest female act in the US since Madonna. Taylor is the biggest US act right now and has been dominating for more than half a decade. No artist (of any gender) has come close to doing that in my lifetime. Britney certainly never did it. At her peak, there was NSync, Destiny's Child, Eminem, and Backstreet Boys.
Which US act is close to Taylor? Gaga, Katy Perry, Beyonce? Bruno Mars, JT? Please, none of those can sell close to the albums and concert tickets in the US that Taylor can. She is dominant in a way I have not seen before, and we are 9 years into her career already. It is no flash in the pan. 1989 is merely cementing how dominant she is. Now Taylor is making mainstream pop music, she is getting those no 1 on Hot 100 too. Already up to 3 since 2012. She is clearly going to get more no 1s than Britney did when looking at total careers.
The only thing Britney has over Taylor is that her peak coincided with the peak of music sales. So Britney has higher sales in absolute terms, but not in relative terms. Last year, Taylor crushed the opposition who released albums that year to a level that is unprecedented in terms of market share. Britney never came close to doing that. NSync, Eminem, BSB made sure of that.
Britney has had longevity, fair play to her, but other contemporary acts of hers are currently bigger like Beyonce, Eminem and JT. Not to mention Madonna.
Whitney, Mariah, Janet were also massive of course, but they were never the dominant American act for more than half a decade, like Taylor has been. In the 90s, Garth Brooks was massive, Madonna, MJ etc.
Madonna was more global than Taylor. But Taylor is truly global with this era, and it is being achieved when she is still younger than Madonna was when she first smashed ww.
Taylor is like the Madonna of the 21st Century. Bookmark me and come back in ten years. Taylor, Beyonce and Eminem are the US artists who will be looked back upon as the defining artists of this part of the 21st Century, in the same way that the Beatles, Rolling Stones and Motown define the 1960s.
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Mariah is a bigger female act than both Madonna and Taylor Swift in the U.S. Britney's even bigger than Taylor in the U.S. (40.65M albums, 43.2M singles = 4.32M albums, streams N/A for Britney whereas Taylor has 26M albums, 80M singles = 8M albums, streams N/A). Britney also easily outdid DC and the BSB.
Adele, with two albums, is about half as big in the U.S. as Taylor is. Taylor hasn't faced nearly as big competition as Britney has and the minute someone shows up on that level, they easily trounce Taylor. Not only are there fewer popular acts but there are fewer artists/musicians releasing than ever. 2014's biggest new releases were Taylor, Ariana (who had only ever gone gold prior), Nicki (a rap female artist LOL) and Coldplay (a 20 year old band). It's not hard to see why Taylor held such higher market share (granted she was still blocked by a 2013 release).
How is Madonna bigger than Britney in the U.S. when every release since Britney's debut has outdone its competing Madonna release? Madonna has a bigger overall career but she is not bigger than Britney in the U.S. now.
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Originally posted by muddysquirrel
She will be around 5,6 mil with new UWC chart out this week. |
The UWC has nothing to do with RIAA. 
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Originally posted by Nicole
In the US she's obviously already way bigger than Britney. She's like the biggest popstar ever here.
Outside the US she had a disadvantage due to her "country" origins but her success keeps growing while Britney was already on a steady decline at this point in her career.
So yes.
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That would be Barbra Streisand. The music knowledge in this thread is just 
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Some of you are adorable.
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She's about as big now as Britney was, but will soon surpass her of course.
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1.what 2013 release blocked 1989
2. Rebel Heart is already bigger than bj 
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'Weak competition' like Taylor is somehow is immune to the weak sales climates while the rest isn't
Taylor's sales, along with everyone elses, suffers from the sales climate. That she manages to sell that much despite the climate shows how huge her domination is. The competition isn't 'weak', Taylor is just that huge
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LMFAO, no. Taylor is huge at the moment, but let's be real with ourselves, aside from her insane success, what is she really bringing to the industry? Has anything changed since she arrived? Has she left a lasting impact with her music or performances or even her personality? No.
Some of you need to stop clinging onto 1989's first week sales for dear life and think for a second. For one, stop acting like that's more impressive than Britney's old sales. Keep in mind that sales nowadays are much more frontloaded, which explains why Britney's album with the first-week sales record went diamond while 1989 will be lucky to get halfway there once it's all set and done.
Secondly, you can't say that Britney's sales are incomparable because they came during a much better time in the sales market, and then compare their touring grosses. Same situation, different ballpark. 
And lastly, what puts Britney over the top is that she changed the face of pop music right before our very eyes. She became a media fixture, and basically re-defined what a "pop star" should be. Suddenly, labels were rushing to find "The Next Britney," and the face of pop music became a lot more flashier and image-driven after she came. All of a sudden, even to this day with teen stars like Ariana Grande, playing up the whole sex kitten act while also keeping a hint of a "girl next door" persona became the norm for these women, and everyone in the world started following her every move and documenting her whole life for people to examine deeply.
I don't care what you think about Taylor, but she never hit that high. She has the sales and acclaim, but again, what has changed? The whole singer-songwriter archetype was popular when she arrived and it still is now. She's made impact and become a huge name for this generation, but she really hasn't done anything that hasn't been done already aside from selling lots of albums in the current sales market.
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Britney. By far. If the artists that debuted back in the late '90s early 2000s would have had the benefit of the digital era, there wouldn't even be a conversation to have.
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Originally posted by Bey_Rihstan
She is in the us but has yet to (& will never) get the success Britney has had WW
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Originally posted by B'Day
My parents don't know ha and my sister only knows her because of the Kanye incident. But my other sister used to BOP to Love Story and used to rly like ha but she grew up (no shade). Everybody knows Britney, BOMT, Toxic, OIDIA, her shaving her head etc
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Originally posted by Bey_Rihstan
2 diamond albums > one not guaranteed diamond album.
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Originally posted by AHemsworth
Britney. By far. If the artists that debuted back in the late '90s early 2000s would have had the benefit of the digital era, there wouldn't even be a conversation to have.
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Originally posted by AHemsworth
Britney. By far. If the artists that debuted back in the late '90s early 2000s would have had the benefit of the digital era, there wouldn't even be a conversation to have.
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Year - Total US Album Sales (Soundscan)
1999 - 754,800,000
2000 - 785,000,000
2001 - 763,000,000
2002 - 681,000,000
2003 - 687,000,000
2004 - 667,000,000
2005 - 618,900,000
2006 - 542,400,000
2007 - 500,500,000
2008 - 428,400,000
2009 - 373,900,000
2010 - 326,150,000
2011 - 330,570,000
2012 - 315,960,000
2013 - 289,410,000
2014 - 257,000,000
The decline is even worse WW, so what benefit does Taylor even have
If you're comparing absolute sales (out of context) then Britney obviously has the advantage, but that doesn't mean that Britney herself was bigger than Taylor, just that albums sold way better back then in general.
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Originally posted by slobro
'Weak competition' like Taylor is somehow is immune to the weak sales climates while the rest isn't
Taylor's sales, along with everyone elses, suffers from the sales climate. That she manages to sell that much despite the climate shows how huge her domination is. The competition isn't 'weak', Taylor is just that huge |
Taylor isn't up against artists eras like Come On Over, Millennium, TSSLP, etc. She faced one era on that level (21) and it totally demolished her. Taylor is undeniably huge but when we account for TEAs/SEAs, she is a little past half Britney's career.
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Originally posted by Dollas n Diamonds
1.what 2013 release blocked 1989
2. Rebel Heart is already bigger than bj |
1. Frozen.
2. It isn't. "Living for Love" hasn't even hit 100k yet, has it? MDNA did 537k in the U.S. (185k would not count under today's rules). Rebel Heart may do better than MDNA (though MDNA had the Superbowl) but B9 will come out this year against it.
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Originally posted by ToLove
LMFAO, no. Taylor is huge at the moment, but let's be real with ourselves, aside from her insane success, what is she really bringing to the industry? Has anything changed since she arrived? Has she left a lasting impact with her music or performances or even her personality? No.
Some of you need to stop clinging onto 1989's first week sales for dear life and think for a second. For one, stop acting like that's more impressive than Britney's old sales. Keep in mind that sales nowadays are much more frontloaded, which explains why Britney's album with the first-week sales record went diamond while 1989 will be lucky to get halfway there once it's all set and done.
Secondly, you can't say that Britney's sales are incomparable because they came during a much better time in the sales market, and then compare their touring grosses. Same situation, different ballpark.
And lastly, what puts Britney over the top is that she changed the face of pop music right before our very eyes. She became a media fixture, and basically re-defined what a "pop star" should be. Suddenly, labels were rushing to find "The Next Britney," and the face of pop music became a lot more flashier and image-driven after she came. All of a sudden, even to this day with teen stars like Ariana Grande, playing up the whole sex kitten act while also keeping a hint of a "girl next door" persona became the norm for these women, and everyone in the world started following her every move and documenting her whole life for people to examine deeply.
I don't care what you think about Taylor, but she never hit that high. She has the sales and acclaim, but again, what has changed? The whole singer-songwriter archetype was popular when she arrived and it still is now. She's made impact and become a huge name for this generation, but she really hasn't done anything that hasn't been done already aside from selling lots of albums in the current sales market. |
Exactly  Britney is a legend and Taylor is an icon. They both win. 
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Nope. Britney will always be bigger.
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