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Poll: Mariah Carey VS Madonna bigger peak?
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View Poll Results: ??? BIGGER PEAK
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Originally posted by Rolland
You'd have to be a special kind of delusional being to argue that Mariah has ever been bigger than Madonna in the '80s (albums, singles, videos, impact, iconic moments, etc). But of course, you're always up for the challenge.
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The numbers don't lie. You even linked to a 90s compilation to refute what I originally said.
How are you going to measure vidyos! Imp@ct! eyeConic moments1!1 especially if you didn't live it? YouTube views? 
Madonna never had a HuUge era like Mariah, or Celine, or Britney, or Whitney. This is just factual, statistical information. Accept it.
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Originally posted by YourMadGesty
It's kinda hard to determine Mariah's initial peak because she pretty much cruised through the 90s at a steady pace.
If I had to pick, it would be Daydream.
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Even though Daydream is 25M seller, with worldwide #1 "Fantasy" (according to the Germans and dog) and worldwide top 10's, One Sweet Day, & Always Be My Baby (also according to the Germans and dog), and even though it became one of the most critically acclaimed albers of that year and went 2x plat in France, UK, Netherlands, NZ, 5x plat in Australia, diamond in Japan, 7x plat in Can, etc, and gave her her first sold out world tour, and is undoubtedly her best album, doesn't mean it was her peak. She was just that dominate back then.
The 1-2 punch of Music Box and Merry Christmas was tew much, it takes the cake.
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Originally posted by idkher
That last part makes zero sense and it's not Mariah's fault you're uncultured and haven't heard most of her music. She's the highest selling international artist of all time in Asia and one of the biggest in Africa. The world doesn't revolve around Europe sweetie and let's not act like she didn't have major success in there anyway with Music Box and Daydream.
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You'll waste your breath talking to that one. It believes Madge is first in everything. Pop music was invented in 1986 and no one made videos before Madonna and no one knew dance music before Madonna and no one cared about or had sex before Madonna. And the public didn't know what **** looked like before Madonna. I mean these are the same stans who will argue that Madge has sold more albums than Celine.
It would probably be a shock to him that G0D is the 3rd best selling artist as per European receipts (does anyone know why ATRLers love European receipts so much? And why when they say Europe they normally mean the UK and France?)
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Originally posted by idkher
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Those are your credible sources? LMAO, I was ready for you to link me to some IFPI report or something between the lines not some copy/paste crappy articles. As I said, ~5.8 million already including her strongest markets and the biggest overall. So, you're apparently wrong unless you provide a full list of where those ~8.2 million remaining were sold, of course with credible AND official sources. Waiting for those Zimbabwe and Tanzania receipts. 
 Sales breakdownAustralia 140K
Italy 30K
Spain 10K
Japan 1.8 million
US 2.8 million
UK 1 million
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Originally posted by YourMadGesty
Why are the lambs only focused on chart success? 
A peak includes GLOBAL massive media coverage, iconography, touring success, etc.
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Well, because sadly her fav has never had any of that and never will considering how things look now for her.
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Madonna. There's no contest.
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Originally posted by Rolland
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Those are your credible sources? LMAO, I was ready for you to link me to some IFPI report or something between the lines not some copy/paste crappy articles. As I said, ~5.8 million already including her strongest markets and the biggest overall. So, you're apparently wrong unless you provide a full list of where those ~8.2 million remaining were sold, of course with credible AND official sources. Waiting for those Zimbabwe and Tanzania receipts.
Sales breakdown
Australia 140K
Italy 30K
Spain 10K
Japan 1.8 million
US 2.8 million
UK 1 million |
Why would IFPI report on a 20 year old song? Lmao this is desperation at another level. Those are the most credible sources available and even if it hasn't sold that much it has still sold more than any Madonna song. The fact that it goes top 20 in dozens of countries every year should tell you it will have outdated certifications but at this point I have given up on you using logic! Slay with those Wikipedia stats from 6 countries though!
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Originally posted by Praise Mariallah
The numbers don't lie. You even linked to a 90s compilation to refute what I originally said.
How are you going to measure vidyos! Imp@ct! eyeConic moments1!1 especially if you didn't live it? YouTube views?
Madonna never had a HuUge era like Mariah, or Celine, or Britney, or Whitney. This is just factual, statistical information. Accept it. |
I guess all the praise, credit and recognition Madonna has gotten throughout her career because of her achievements and hard work by prestigious institutions, peers, upcoming acts that have been influenced by her and media are no indication of how massive she has always been because you know, only albums sales tell us which peak was bigger!!!!111!!!
I guess Shania Twain owns the biggest peak for females OVERALL then since only album sales count and she's also heavily US driven, how fitting and cute.
Good to know. Also kii at you avoiding the rest of my post.
Those stats posted on Wikipedia come from official data provided by organizations recognized by the IFPI,
same place as the ones you posted so the joke is on you.
Kii at the bolded part. Making assumptions like that just because, I guess that's how you all came up with the 14 million figure. Still waiting for you to enlighten me on where those 14 million come from.
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Originally posted by idkher
Why would IFPI report on a 20 year old song? Lmao this is desperation at another level. Those are the most credible sources available and even if it hasn't sold that much it has still sold more than any Madonna song. The fact that it goes top 20 in dozens of countries every year should tell you it will have outdated certifications but at this point I have given up on you using logic! Slay with those Wikipedia stats from 6 countries though! |
So, you don't have evidence to back up those ~8.2 million? What a surprise, I thought you did. I could bring questionable articles that claim HU has sold more but that's not how I do. Keep looking, maybe those ~8.2 million come from Egypt and Madagascar.
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Originally posted by Rolland
I guess all the praise, credit and recognition Madonna has gotten throughout her career because of her achievements and hard work by prestigious institutions, peers, upcoming acts that have been influenced by her and media are no indication of how massive she has always been because you know, only albums sales tell us which peak was bigger!!!!111!!!
I guess Shania Twain owns the biggest peak for females OVERALL then since only album sales count and she's also heavily US driven, how fitting and cute.
Good to know. Also kii at you avoiding the rest of my post. |
Literally everything you listed that Madonna had "throughout her career" (once again, you're not getting what peak means); praise, credit, influence, recognition, etc. Mariah, Whitney, Shania and Celine all had except with bigger eras at a specific moment in time. Britney didn't have any of those things, but still had a bigger peak statistically.
and ... @ "heavily US driven" as if most of Madonna's sales (albums and singles), cultural impact, praise, and w/e else you're gonna list aren't US oriented. Everyone listed in this thread is an American artist, smart guy. Lana Del Rey is not the norm.
What part of your post did I avoid?
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Originally posted by Rolland
Those stats posted on Wikipedia come from official data provided by organizations recognized by the IFPI,
same place as the ones you posted so the joke is on you.
Kii at the bolded part. Making assumptions like that just because, I guess that's how you all came up with the 14 million figure. Still waiting for you to enlighten me on where those 14 million come from.
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Official sources from 1994. It didn't become the classic that is upon release.
And don't you use mediatraffic? ATRL charts section? Kworb.net? You do know these are sales trackers, right? The official sources are 1 and done.
But, I just gave you an entire sales breakdown for a song from 1995, which roughly matches what you're saying AIWFC (a song that charts every single year) has sold to date.
r u not seeing what every1 else is seeing?
Yet and still even with all your desperate grasping at straws, AIWFC sold more than any Madonna song (indisputable fact) from a Xmas album that sold nearly 15 million on its own (which is a testament to just how big her peak was). Music Box sold more than any Madonna album (indisputable fact) and they just happened to be released concurrently thus giving G0D a bigger peak.
And ATRL agrees.
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Originally posted by KylieistBoi
Madonna is universal, Mariah's impact must have been local, cause I dont think she is able sell out stadiums in most of Europe, while Madonna can do. And she is every generation's fav tbh, even my dad is a fan of hers.
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This isn"t about selling about shows darhling
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Originally posted by Praise Mariallah
Official sources from 1994.
And don't you use mediatraffic? ATRL charts section? Kworb.net? You do know these are sales trackers, right? The official sources are 1 and done.
But, I just gave you an entire sales breakdown for a song from 1995, which roughly matches what you're saying AIWFC (a song that charts every single year) has sold to date.
r u not seeing what every1 else is seeing?
Yet and still even with all your desperate grasping at straws, AIWFC sold more than any Madonna song (indisputable fact). Music Box sold more than any Madonna album (indisputable fact) and they just happened to be released concurrently thus giving G0D a bigger peak.
And ATRL agrees.
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Never claimed those ~5.8 million is all that holiday song has sold. I just said it's what credible and official sources claim, I guess it sells a couple thousands copies (digitally now) every year but enough to reach 14 million (8.2 million) when MOST of the biggest songs in the digital era struggled to reach half of that?
Let me quote you before you edited: " are you not seeing how stupid that is?"
As others have said too, peak involves more than albums and singles sales but you do you. This will go nowhere like always. Who needs peaks when you have the biggest career EVER by a female? Let's leave peaks for the lessors. Take care.
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Can people comprehend what peak even means?
Madonna stans argue about cultural impact during peak but Mariah has All I Want For Christmas Is You, a song that will still be played when Madonna's great great great great great grand daughter hits menopause at the age of 56. 
So hush little medonster don't say a word, Mimis gonna provide with royalties.
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Mariah by MILES
No one remembers madonna's last single, but everyone remembers Mariah's songs.
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Originally posted by Rolland
You'd have to be a special kind of delusional being to argue that Mariah has ever been bigger than Madonna in the '80s (albums, singles, videos, impact, iconic moments, etc).
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This.  Mariah is the definition of "just there".
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Madonna. Mariah may have had better album sales and chart hits.
But Madge had chart hits, huge album sales, touring receipts, memorable performances and iconic visuals in her prime. Not to mention he rnumerous controversies, being the biggest sex symbol of the 80's, and such a trailblazing fashion icon it donned the "madnna wannabes". That's what gives her the edge tbh don't know how the other side can argue against that
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Madonna >>>> Mariah's peak was overshadowed by Whitney's The Bodyguard era
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What? Mariah winning?
OT: Madonna by far.
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Originally posted by Praise Mariallah
G0d obvs, her peak was bigger #'s wise. 'Cause she had a 30M selling album (1 of only 4 women to ever do so btw, Whitney, Shania, and Celine being the others) era w/ 3 #1s then released All I Want For Christmas right after, to get a 15M selling Xmas album. And that was only 93/94 out of the entire decade.
Because none of us were alive/old enough to remember the "feel", you must go solely on numbers.  |
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Originally posted by Daydream
But.......
Mariah has more chart success. She has more #1's than Madonna, longer (including the longest, dahhling!) running #1's, and two "Song of the Decade" titles.
Madonna's first #1 - 1985
Madonna's last #1 - 2000
(15 year difference) and let's not forget that was 14 years ago.
Mariah's first #1 - 1990
Mariah's last #1 - 2008
(18 year difference) and of course that was only 6 years ago.
Honey...
(Pun intended)
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Madonna is the one who dominates the Billboard charts, NOT Mariah.
Madonna is the second most successful musical act on the Billboard charts of all time, not Mariah. Mariah isn’t the #1 either. The #1 is the Beatles.
And that makes Madonna the most successful solo act and the most successful female on Billboard - NOT Mariah.
Mariah Carey comes at #6 on the Billboard Hot 100 All-Time Top Artists list.
Mimi’s Dominance? At #6? While Madonna is #2?
http://www.billboard.com/articles/co...rtists-most-no
Anyways, Peak is a hard one.
When taking "peaks" into account it's not just sales. It's ERA's etc. We need to include touring and all the other side projects. If it was sales alone I'd need to think. It's not though so Madonna and it isn't close.
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Originally posted by Lamb4life
This. Mariah is the definition of "just there". |
LMAO he's back 
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The answer is Mariah and AIWFCIY is currently #43 on Ichunes as we speak
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Your desperation to discredit the most enduring female hit of all time is sad!
