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Discussion: How did J Lo get away with this?
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Originally posted by Eternium
J. Lo tried to portray herself as one and her demographic/fanbase were significantly more "urban" than other pop girls.
Another good examples would be like Usher's "Superstar" with Faith Evans. Let me go look up some more.
Also, here's a pretty cool article if you want to read about it in the era of Motown: http://noskipsnoscratches.com/?p=1439 The Q&A section is hard as **** and I got 0 right  I also know KISS used to session musicians who would basically play the music for their albums 
The problem is they clearly edited Ester Dean's voice to sound just like Nicki, much like they did to make her sound like Rihanna on WHYB. I just don't get why these artists don't redo the vocal line since it already sounds so much like them and should be incredibly easy to replicate.
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let me see if I can find it on the Blind Items thread do you have it LONGWAYTOGO?
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Originally posted by LONGWAY2GO.
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Another Milli Vanilli Clue
CDAN – Well, if it is anniversary time, then it must be time for an MV clue. I don’t know if I have mentioned this before, but should something happen to me, there is a list of all the answers so all would be revealed. Anyway, lets see if we can’t get this down to just a few people with this clue. Either our singer or someone she has been married to has had a nickname or a hyphenation in their nickname.
BG Note: MV is short for Milli Vanilli, a singer who allegedly doesn’t do all her own singing. Thanks to ctkat1 for all of the MV clues, along with the dates they were originally posted:
11/9/10- Either our singer or someone she has been married to has had a nickname or a hyphenation in their nickname.
11/13/09- MV was born in the United States.
11/12/09- MV has been separated (real separation and not just kicking the guy out for a couple of days) and/or divorced at least once.
11/11/09- MV has at least one child.
11/10/09- MV ain’t Mandy Moore, Pink, Norah Jones, Beyonce.
11/9/09- MV has/had several Top 40 songs and CD’s. They could have gone to #1 or languished in the 30’s
11/9/09- MV has been or is currently married.
11/27/06- Someone who knows MV, but does not know about the S situation told me this morning that MV was contemplating an in depth interview to address some issues in her personal and professional life. Could this be one of the issues?
11/26/06- Original MV story, in which we learn that S. is a backup singer who was tricked into recording all of the albums, “live” concerts, etc. for MV, who has sold millions of albums and sold out tours. (MV- Milli Vanilli)
“This woman (S) came into my office because the payments she had been receiving had stopped and she wanted to either get the money that was owed to her, or expose what she had been doing to the light of day..”
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Mess it could be Britney with Kfed(nickname) or JLo(with Diddy) both have divorced more than once and have more than one kid. BUT with Britney we know about Myah Marie and in the original BG they said the girl wasn't as good looking and Myah is deff not good looking 
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CDAN – The year is 2006. If this story ever comes out, it would blow the music world up and shake it to its core. This would put the Milli Vanilli scandal and Ashlee Simpson SNL situation so far down the ladder it would be crazy.
Towards the end of last year I had a woman come into my office and she began to explain what she had done and had been doing for several years and it was one of the very few times that I just could not believe what I was hearing. I know the music industry inside and out, and I had never heard of something so extensive and pervasive as this.
This woman (S) came into my office because the payments she had been receiving had stopped and she wanted to either get the money that was owed to her, or expose what she had been doing to the light of day.
S is a sessions/studio/backup singer and is very good..Prior to her involvement in what I am going to describe, she made a very good living singing on commercials and being a backup singer for groups and other solo acts, etc..Like I said she is very good, but she does not really have that “look” which would make her a star, so record companies did not put her out front, but just used her talents.
In late 2000, a man came to her one day and said he needed someone to record some demos because he had written a lot of songs, but wanted a demo to shop the songs to singers and record labels..This is not unusual at all and she had done this type of work before and it paid pretty well so she agreed. What was unusual about her recording of the demos was how much work was put into the actual recordings..It was extensive..Generally there is not much time put into the recordings because you never really know if the song will even sell, and the money spent on recording could be put to better uses..These demos she was recording were actually being treated as if they were going to be released on a CD or to radio..They even did some mixing which was REALLY unusual.
After a few weeks she had recorded about over a dozen songs and she went on her way and was really oblivious to anything else pertaining to it, UNTIL several months later she was in her car and heard her voice coming from the radio, only it was another singer being given credit..(We will call this other singer MV for Milli Vanilli) She could not believe what she was hearing and did not know whether to be excited to hear herself on the radio, confused about the credit given to another singer or just pissed off for the same reasons.
What she did do, was to call the man who had originally come to her and had her record the songs..The man agreed to meet her and gave her a substantial sum of money and promised to keep giving her money every month as long as she kept her mouth shut. MV was taking off..(MV has/had several Top 40 songs and CD’s. They could have gone to #1 or languished in the 30′s..I really cannot go into much more detail or else it would be too easy to discover) MV was everywhere..on television, radio, awards shows, commercials..EVERYWH ERE..meanwhile, S continued to get money every month and kept her little secret to herself..The guy who picked S was VERY lucky..Most singers would have caused a fuss, but S has always been in the background and was resigned to the fact she always would be, and was very happy just taking the $$, and did not want that to stop.
About 9 months go by and S is called by the guy because MV is going on tour and they want S to record some extra mixes and such for the tour.She agrees and does not really do much, but money is money.
Fast forward another year or so and S stops receiving money and after a few months of missed payments, calls the guy who explains that they need S to do another CD and then the payments can continue, but there is no more money unless she does more recordings..
S agrees and records another CD worth of songs which is released several months later and does even better than the first CD. This same process is repeated (I am not going to tell you the number of CD’s because again you may be able to deduce and so I will just say the process repeated itself several times)
Well everything goes well for the most part for all these years and then no more payments, and no more calls and she cannot even locate our mystery man..S has not received a payment in six months when she came into my office and related this story..She did not even know the guy’s name, but when she described him, I knew who he was and was even more floored than I had been previously. This was just something I had really not heard before.
I had heard of really altering voices in the recording studios and bringing in hired hands for one song or a large portion of a song, but never CD after CD and even doing extra work so a live performance would not sound staged..I told her I needed some time to check into her story and then we could proceed..It took two calls before I got the guy on the phone and he was pissed, scared, angry, threatening, remorseful..everythi ng..It turns out the reason he had stopped making payments was he had been playing some shell games with the money between the record company, MV’s earnings and MV’s investments and just did not have any additional money..In addition, MV was not sure she wanted to continue on with what had been happening and so our mystery guy might be completely out of the picture.
I actually think the record company to this day has no idea what went on as the Guy was very good at what he does/did and knew how to make sure the record company was always happy..He stayed under budget, toured, made MV available, and made the record company money..
So a meeting was arranged in my office and S and MV finally met face to face..they had never done so, even though it was S who made MV a star. MV was rude to say the least when she saw what S looked like and it really upset me although S being her normal classy self could have cared less..
What we agreed to do that day was to provide S with one lump sum rather than a monthly income which was easier for Guy to pull off and S also agreed to never disclose her role in this drama and MV was on her own for future recordings and tours.
This involved literally millions of CD’s and hundreds of concerts all over the world. The one thing I did get out of this beside my fee of course is a Gold Record autographed by S and by MV. I know it is the only one in the world.
MV has been or is currently married.
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To borrow a phrase from Ted C, MV ain’t: Mandy Moore, Pink, Norah Jones, Beyonce
MV has at least one child.
MV has been separated (real separation and not just kicking the guy out for a couple of days) and/or divorced at least once. Tomorrow’s final clue will eliminate one of your favorite guesses.
The final clue is MV was born in the United States.
The first comment/subject I want to address is the S/MV item. The only thing I will say is I will not confirm or deny anything. I really cannot do that. However, with that being said, one thing I will say about myself is that I love my friends, and if you are my friend you know you will not get trashed here or behind your back or anywhere else. Some of you have guessed a certain person and I make very clear in another entry that she is a really good friend of mine and therefore could not be the correct guess. Also, she reads the blog, so be nice. lol
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Originally posted by LONGWAY2GO.
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But it aint J.Lo, cause her first tour was in 2012, she hasnt toured before, plus you can hear that J.Lo has the same voice when she speaks and sings.
The only thing here is that sometimes in her songs, someone else sang the chorus, but J.Lo always sang the verses and stuff, and in alot of songs she sang it completly full with chorus. It cant be J.Lo.
And J.Lo started recording her album in 1998.
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Originally posted by Eternium
Sis, are you deaf?  That is Britney Spears singing, she just has a backing choir who are all credited on the liner  That's like saying Madonna didn't sing "Like a Prayer" because a choir shows up in the song  |
Of course, I know, I'm not trying to discredit Britney since I'm a fan. I was trying to answer in the context of the question, how could Jennifer Lopez get away with using other people's voice in her songs? Simply because the people don't really care, as Britney for various of her songs used a choir for her choruses and people weren't like "Oh that's not her, I'm not buying the song".
I mean did somebody care Ke$ha wasn't credited in the title of the song 'Right Round'?
People are now more cultured in that aspect and tend to credit guest performers more in the commercial title of their songs (not just the album liner) and that's good but I guess they didn't do that much before because the ethics weren't at their best in that respect.
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Mary J. Blige was uncredited on Notorious B.I.G.'s song that debuted really high. I'm trying to remember the name. There was another girl on there, too Lemme Wikipedia that in two seconds.
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Oh, the reason people can't solve this is because it's ********
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In late 2000, a man came to her one day and said he needed someone to record some demos
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About 9 months go by and S is called by the guy because MV is going on tour and they want S to record some extra mixes and such for the tour.
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S agrees and records another CD worth of songs which is released several months later and does even better than the first CD.
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MV was rude to say the least when she saw what S looked like and it really upset me although S being her normal classy self could have cared less..
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MV was on her own for future recordings and tours.
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It can't be Britney.
Cathy Dennis would've been my guess (every song she has written has either gone #1 in the U.S. or U.K.) for the behind-the-scenes artists, but she's got an incredible solo career in the U.K. I just think it's ********, tbh, and the notion that S would meet with the record producer in front of somebody else is a huge red flag.
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Originally posted by Superbitch
Mess it could be Britney with Kfed(nickname) or JLo(with Diddy) both have divorced more than once and have more than one kid. BUT with Britney we know about Myah Marie and in the original BG they said the girl wasn't as good looking and Myah is deff not good looking
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Myah Marie would've been a young teenager, if that, in the 2000s. On top of that, we know when Myah was picked up by Britney's team (2008) to do background vocals/demos. She's also hot (for a regular person) and used to have her own Myspace page/has her own website trying to make it big. I actually used to be a fan of her work with Laze & Royal (Candy From a Stranger was soooo fresh in 2008).
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Of course, I know, I'm not trying to discredit Britney since I'm a fan. I was trying to answer in the context of the question, how could Jennifer Lopez get away with using other people's voice in her songs? Simply because the people don't really care, as Britney for various of her songs used a choir for her choruses and people weren't like "Oh that's not her, I'm not buying the song".
I mean did somebody care Ke$ha wasn't credited in the title of the song 'Right Round'?
People are now more cultured in that aspect and tend to credit guest performers more in the commercial title of their songs (not just the album liner) and that's good but I guess they didn't do that much before because the ethics weren't at their best in that respect.
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My bad. I thought you were trying to say Britney wasn't singing at all in those songs, which something some Hive members have actually tried to push rather recently.
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Originally posted by Eternium
Mary J. Blige was uncredited on Notorious B.I.G.'s song that debuted really high. I'm trying to remember the name. There was another girl on there, too Lemme Wikipedia that in two seconds.
Oh, the reason people can't solve this is because it's ********
It can't be Britney.
Cathy Dennis would've been my guess (every song she has written has either gone #1 in the U.S. or U.K.) for the behind-the-scenes artists, but she's got an incredible solo career in the U.K. I just think it's ********, tbh, and the notion that S would meet with the record producer in front of somebody else is a huge red flag. |
IF is real is not Brit because britney started her career in 1998? early 1999? Who came up in 2000? some people say it could be Alicia Keys?
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Originally posted by A Little Unruly
Christina Milian and Ashanti, the original Myah Maries. 
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To be fair, Ashanti's voice sounds so much like JLo's that I still can't tell who is singing what tbh.
But Play was too obvious 
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Originally posted by Superbitch
Mess it could be Britney with Kfed(nickname) or JLo(with Diddy) both have divorced more than once and have more than one kid. BUT with Britney we know about Myah Marie and in the original BG they said the girl wasn't as good looking and Myah is deff not good looking
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it canNOT be Brit Myah Marie was middle-school/elementary school age when Oops I Did It Again came out There is just no way. + We have heard her sing live occasionally, and the voice matches the studio versions
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Originally posted by Eternium
J. Lo tried to portray herself as one and her demographic/fanbase were significantly more "urban" than other pop girls.
Another good examples would be like Usher's "Superstar" with Faith Evans. Let me go look up some more.
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But that's the thing. No one would have listened to Superstar and thought that Faith Evans was Usher's voice. But everyone thought these were J.Lo's vocals.
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I mean did somebody care Ke$ha wasn't credited in the title of the song 'Right Round'?
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The issue is not singers not getting credit, the issue is singers (who are not great singers to begin with) using other vocals on their songs and passing it off as their own. If you could show me someone who though Ke$ha's voice was Flo Rida's you'd have a point, whereas most people would have thought that these songs are purely J.Lo and Britney.
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Anyway, this would be more shocking if it were happening to artists with more artistic credibility, and I suppose that's why the stans are not that upset. They are not stanning for talent or artistry they are stanning because they have been fed an idea of what the popstar is, they have bought the marketing they were given and they like the generic songs the record labels pump out with these singers' names on it.
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IF is real is not Brit because britney started her career in 1998? early 1999? Who came up in 2000? some people say it could be Alicia Keys?
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He said the person had released in the past 12 months in November 2011. Jessica Simpson, Mariah Carey, J. Lo and Britney would all still be eligible.
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it canNOT be Brit Myah Marie was middle-school/elementary school age when Oops I Did It Again came out There is just no way. + We have heard her sing live occasionally, and the voice matches the studio versions |
The singer recorded in 2000, so they would be implying that it was for 2001's Britney if it was about Britney.
However, the blogger who posted the blind item is a fan of Britney's and clarified that it was not someone that everyone was guessing that he liked. It's not Britney.
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But that's the thing. No one would have listened to Superstar and thought that Faith Evans was Usher's voice. But everyone thought these were J.Lo's vocals.
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That's a fair point. I don't disagree that J. Lo was wrong. I'm just saying nobody broke the issue because back then it wasn't a big deal in hip-hop to have uncredited female vocals.
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The issue is not singers not getting credit, the issue is singers (who are not great singers to begin with) using other vocals on their songs and passing it off as their own. If you could show me someone who though Ke$ha's voice was Flo Rida's you'd have a point, whereas most people would have thought that these songs are purely J.Lo and Britney.
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I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I think what J. Lo did was incredibly wrong. I just know she got away with it because of the timeframe she released in.
And can I ask which Britney songs you don't think she sang on? I know Baby One More Time, You Drive Me Crazy, etc. were brought up, but she definitely sang on those over a background "choir."
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And can I ask which Britney songs you don't think she sang on? I know Baby One More Time, You Drive Me Crazy, etc. were brought up, but she definitely sang on those over a background "choir."
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Early Morning chorus wasn't sung by Britney. Her vocals can barely be heard n "He About To Lose Me" (although she did sing the chorus) and the vocals from the "Toxic" demo singer were merged with Britney's in the final version.
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But it aint J.Lo, cause her first tour was in 2012, she hasnt toured before, plus you can hear that J.Lo has the same voice when she speaks and sings.
The only thing here is that sometimes in her songs, someone else sang the chorus, but J.Lo always sang the verses and stuff, and in alot of songs she sang it completly full with chorus. It cant be J.Lo.
And J.Lo started recording her album in 1998.
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She did have small tours before 2012,
This tour dvd is from the early 2000's
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And can I ask which Britney songs you don't think she sang on? I know Baby One More Time, You Drive Me Crazy, etc. were brought up, but she definitely sang on those over a background "choir."
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Toxic
Hold it Against Me
Early Morning
Didn't they all use other people's vocals and not just as background?
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I think its Mariah Carey.
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i think it's because ashanti and christina millian are both credited so they probably didn't care
she did it so often people probably just assumed it was something she did for artistic reasons rather than pretending to be her
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