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Celeb News: Gaga mentions Madonna in new Greek interview
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
If you want to believe that gaga's entire creative team dissing Madonna since long before her reductive comment wasn't filtered down from the top by their boss that's your choice.
Either way she did do something wrong. The expectation that she should have been supported or the expectation that Madonna should support new artists even though their core values might be polar opposites was a silly thing for her to say.
More on that though, Many artists claim Madonna supported them, So who was gaga talking about? She was obviously talking about herself. She actually holds the expectation that Madonna should have supported her. What kind of entitled attitude.
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To be fair though, no one is saying it's Madonna's job to be supportive of new artists. It was pretty obvious that she was talking about Madonna bashing her and making a mockery of her work, when Gaga only had good intentions behind it. You have heard of "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all?", right?
Gaga obvioulsy doesn't feel the need to be supported by Madonna, she doesn't care (as she has said before). She was more hurt by the fact that Madonna went out of her way to make a mockery of her work every night on her tour, as well as diss her multiple times.
It is not that hard to understand.
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
If you want to believe that gaga's entire creative team dissing Madonna since long before her reductive comment wasn't filtered down from the top by their boss that's your choice.
Either way she did do something wrong. The expectation that she should have been supported or the expectation that Madonna should support new artists even though their core values might be polar opposites was a silly thing for her to say.
More on that though, Many artists claim Madonna supported them, So who was gaga talking about? She was obviously talking about herself. She actually holds the expectation that Madonna should have supported her. What kind of entitled attitude.
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You really think Gaga has to filter the tweets of everyone who is associated with her?  If that's the case, I guess we should hold Madonna responsible for any of the times people that have worked with her have bashed Gaga.
They can do what they want. They have their own opinions.
And no, she did not do anything wrong, not sure where you're getting that.
That last bit is reaching and twisting her words to the extreme.
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Originally posted by Rami328
To be fair though, no one is saying it's Madonna's job to be supportive of new artists. It was pretty obvious that she was talking about Madonna bashing her and making a mockery of her work. You have heard of "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all?", right?
Gaga obvioulsy doesn't feel the need to be supported by Madonna, she doesn't care (as she has said before). She was more hurt by the fact that Madonna went out of her way to make a mockery of her work every night on her tour, as well as diss her multiple times.
It is not that hard to understand.
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In the real world ""if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all?", right?" doesn't exist. You should't apply fantasy notions to real life discussions.
Anyways, it's futile discussing the EY/BTW thing, if gaga was so hurt she should have looked at her actions. Going on TV and telling the world she had Madonna's blessing to make BTW (which wasn't true) and also a strange thing to say if the songs were nothing alike (as many people here claim)
That conversation though borderlines on off topic and it could go on forever. What is done is done and gaga saying she doesn't care only to go on and talk about it, isn't consistent with someone that doesn't care.
Like I said, gaga was clearly referring to herself as "new artists" - if she's going to lie on national TV, create a song that she basically admitted (by saying she had blessing to make) was extremely similar to what Madonna considers to be her most important work she should expect some repercussions. Rather than act like she was wronged, she should go back and review her actions. The buck ends with her behaviour.
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Not this being real 
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Originally posted by MissedTheTrain
You really think Gaga has to filter the tweets of everyone who is associated with her? If that's the case, I guess we should hold Madonna responsible for any of the times people that have worked with her have bashed Gaga.
They can do what they want. They have their own opinions.
And no, she did not do anything wrong, not sure where you're getting that.
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No, just the people she considers her best friends and the haus who are directly part of her message.
Madonna has Make up artists, photographers, directors, managers - Point out a time where they have mentioned gaga in a negative sense?
I'm talking about Madonna's team not people a magazine or a 3rd party has hired. I'm talking about her direct team.
You try and broaden it to make it look like im saying "anyone that has ever been associated with" and I'm not. I'm saying the people that are directly responsible for the creation of her message, the 5 or 6 people that work with her on a daily basis, that talk to her daily, that are on her payroll.
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Omg the essays. Calm down. Go out and experience the feeling of sunshine on your skin.
As far as I'm concerned, they're both somewhat in the wrong, and any body still interested in this 'feud' is 2014 lives a very, very boring life.
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This is real? 
Well, Gaga's victim complex is always a turn-off, but oh well.
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
No, just the people she considers her best friends and the haus who are directly part of her message.
Madonna has Make up artists, photographers, directors, managers - Point out a time where they have mentioned gaga in a negative sense?
I'm talking about Madonna's team not people a magazine has hired. I'm talking about her direct team.
You try and broaden it to make it look like im saying anyone that's every been associated with and I'm not. I'm saying the people that are directly responsible for the creation of her message, the 5 or 6 people that work with her on a daily basis, that talk to her daily, that she directly employs
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okay, it's not gaga's job to tell a bunch of grown ass people what they should and shouldn't be saying. that's the bottom line. she's their employer, NOT their mother. and even if she were to police what they say and fire them if they don't abide by her message, you and every other hater like you would call her a dictator and bitch and whine about how she only wants yes men around her. everyone in the haus is free to think and speak for themselves, and not everything they say or do is a reflection of gaga herself. to even entertain that thought is beyond delusional and moronic. it's not rocket science, for ****s sake.
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
In the real world ""if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all?", right?" doesn't exist. You should't apply fantasy notions to real life discussions.
Anyways, it's futile discussing the EY/BTW thing, if gaga was so hurt she should have looked at her actions. Going on TV and telling the world she had Madonna's blessing to make BTW (which wasn't true) and also a strange thing to say if the songs were nothing alike (as many people here claim)
That conversation though borderlines on off topic and it could go on forever. What is done is done and gaga saying she doesn't care only to go on and talk about it, isn't consistent with someone that doesn't care.
Like I said, gaga was clearly referring to herself as "new artists" - if she's going to lie on national TV, create a song that she basically admitted (by saying she had blessing to make) was extremely similar to what Madonna considers to be her most important work she should expect some repercussions. Rather than act like she was wronged, she should go back and review her actions. The buck ends with her behaviour.
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It is applicable to "the real world" if you make an effort into being a fairly decent human being. I guess it just depends on the individual and who/what the individual chooses to surround themselves with. It's not that surreal of a concept, actually!
People respond to events differently. You understand that, right? God forbid Gaga reacts the exact same way to something just as an ATRL user would.
Ah, yes! I'm sure while Gaga sat in her dark chamber and read her "How to Steal from Madonna" textbook, she expected every last detail of Madonna mocking and dissing her!
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Originally posted by blaggot
okay, it's not gaga's job to tell a bunch of grown ass people what they should and shouldn't be saying. that's the bottom line. she's their employer, NOT their mother. and even if she were to police what they say and fire them if they don't abide by her message, you and every other hater like you would call her a dictator and bitch and whine about how she only wants yes men around her. everyone in the haus is free to think and speak for themselves, and not everything they say or do is a reflection of gaga herself. to even entertain that thought is beyond delusional and moronic. it's not rocket science, for ****s sake.
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So do you think, I can go to work and start saying negative things about people? Do you think my employer wouldn't have anything to say about that?
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
So do you think, I can go to work and start saying negative things about people? Do you think my employer wouldn't have anything to say about that?
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your job isn't at all comparable to a job working for someone in the entertainment industry, so don't even try and pull that. there's a completely different standard of ethics.
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Lost in the wilderness
Lost, in the bitterness...
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Originally posted by blaggot
your job isn't at all comparable to a job in the entertainment industry, so don't even try and pull that. there's a completely different standard of ethics.
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I hate to be the one to tell you that not saying negative things about people is pretty standard across all workplaces.
When you make a big speech and tell the world that when you hear negative things said about people it's your responsibility as a person to step in and stop it while at the same time your entire team is slagging off people - it's pretty awful.
DJWS told a fan whom criticised his work he was going to put him in a body bag.
Constantly putting put negativity within your team and then complaining when you're not supported by the artist the negativity was directed at - Is an OMG moment.
If you think, you can redirect the blame for not standing up and saying "no negativity in MY work place" under the guise of "the entertainment industry is different" - You're wrong.
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
I hate to be the one to tell you that not saying negative things about people is pretty standard across all workplaces.
When you make a big speech and tell the world that when you hear negative things said about people it's your responsibility as a person to step in and stop it while at the same time your entire team is slagging off people - it's pretty awful.
DJWS told a fan whom criticised his work he was going to put him in a body bag.
Constantly putting put negativity within your team and then complaining when you're not supported by the artist the negativity was directed at - Is an OMG moment.
If you think, you can redirect the blame for not standing up and saying "no negativity in MY work place" under the guise of "the entertainment industry is different" - You're wrong.
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I know you want to believe that, but it's not true. at all. people who work in camps for artists/celebrities get away with talking ****, simply because it's not usually publicized so long as it doesn't come from the artist/celebrity themselves. the only reason you're considering it to be a huge issue is because the artist in question is lady gaga. you're making an assumption that she's the one who is responsible for the people working for her having bad things to say about madonna, however they are, like I and other users have said before, GROWN people who can think for themselves and form their own opinions. that is the. bottom. line. you can spin it however you want to, but you nor any of us have the slightest clue what goes on behind the scenes to make people say whatever it is that they say.
and like I said before, if she were to apply your "no negativity in my work place" ******** and fire these people, you'd be one of the first to yell about how she only wants yes men around her.
I have made my point and am done, so I'll leave you to it.
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Why do monsters even bother with that member? 
Just STOP.
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The problem here is that Gaga plays the victim card, she has no balls at all. Do you really believe that Madonna would mock someone that she was supportive at first for nothing? Something happened. Maybe it's all an act. Who knows.
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Additionally.
Who is this reporter? I mean, it's really comical when you think about it.
Who goes from that question to suggesting she has no soul. (LOL)
Oh Madonna doesn't support newer artists. Yep, no soul. Who makes that leap. It's almost as if his response had been talked about and his reply was planned.
Anywho, if I was lady gaga and someone suggested Madonna had no soul. (lol that's a pretty heavy thing to say, no soul) this would be my response:
"I might not like her as a person or even as an artist and we might not get along but the women did adopt two children who otherwise would have contracted aids or died before they were 7, she does filter millions on dollars into charity, defend people's rights on a daily basis, build schools for girls in places where they can't otherwise learn. Suggesting Madonna has no soul was highly inappropriate.
But despite being given a copy of the interview questions, despite having the chance to plan her answers all she could muster up was "well, you said it"
wow.
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Well damn isn't this thread a mess 
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Y'all are still fighting over something that was supposed to be left in 2011?
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