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Celeb News: Emma watson on Beyonce's sexuality and feminism
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I agree with what she said, she's beautiful and smart.
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Originally posted by danitykanelover
whats wrong with her??? she actually has a college education and is more well-versed on the understanding of feminism unlike your undereducated quen bay....
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So then shouldn't she understand sexuality and feminism just a bit better?
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Originally posted by Flanders
um what are you guys talking about, it sounds to me like she's praising the album  |
Ya she is, there is just one bit of criticism that has caused everyone to go running. We really should not tear down her entire point of view for one aspect of it, though it's clear she doesn't get the use of sexuality in Beyoncé's imagery.
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Originally posted by swissman
So then shouldn't she understand sexuality and feminism just a bit better?
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dont try me honey... she obviously does, which is why she doesn't really understand or like beyonces version.
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Originally posted by danitykanelover
dont try me honey... she obviously does, which is why she doesn't really understand or like beyonces version.
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How is it obvious she does? Can you point me to the words that say something that implies that she understands that sexuality can be expressed, owned, and celebrated without it being for the male? The fact alone that Beyoncé's fan base consists of so few straight males says enough as to the question of whether or not she is catering to the male gaze. It's the gays' gaze that really go crazy for her sexuality. They celebrate it along with her, and the women as well.
Beyonce has been consistently sexual since day 1 and yet has not for the most part, been controversial for it. From singing about wanting sex in No, No, No to wearing very little in general in Destiny's Child, to writhing orgasmically in Baby Boy to donning S&M gear in Green Light, to the present, her sexuality has been a part of her, not a part of an attention seeking strategy. That's why singers like Britney, Christina or Miley got a lot of flack and attention for suddenly becoming oversexualized. For one thing they had a previously demure image, and for another thing it wasn't so much an expression of sexuality as it was a spectacle of sexuality.
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Originally posted by Schoolin' Life
seeing hot both of these professions have long story of abuse and literally maing women doing this againsf their will I don't know how anybody can come up with this conclusion. Also feminism is about equality and "owning your sexuality" is only one small piece of that. I don't know why you purposely makink such narrow minded statements.
Also I agree with slimsexy when it comes to mode of dressing. You criticize woman for wearing sexy feminine clothes with exuse of it beeing all for men and objectifying oneself but the same people have nothing to say about women who dress like a man and cut their hair short to make them look more "manly" when it's compromising with social understanding that male>female.
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You don't get sarcasm, do you? What you think you know about prostitution is not the whole picture. Everyone has their own story and reason. I could write an even longer essay about that, but it wouldn't help in your case. Who gave you the right to divide females into sexy (feminine) and ugly manly (butch, short-haired) ones? You're a misogynist by doing so. I don't think that the woman who invented feminism according to the hive would approve that. But thanks anyways for teaching me about feminism. I must have missed a lot in all of those Gender/Philosophy classes I took in those 5 years at University 
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I feel sorry for the hive, because no matter how hard they try to defend their idol, in the next days she's always the one who comes up with the opposite acts; making '****-y' music videos, editing her 'curvy' body on instagram, etc, she is so not feminism in every aspects, i don't get how the hive think the otherwise 
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Originally posted by danitykanelover
whats wrong with her??? she actually has a college education and is more well-versed on the understanding of feminism unlike your undereducated quen bay....
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Keep exposing yourself like this. Shouting out that Beyoncé is "undereducated" won't make you any smarter (or smart at all).
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Originally posted by Red Hot Moon
You don't get sarcasm, do you? What you think you know about prostitution is not the whole picture. Everyone has their own story and reason. I could write an even longer essay about that, but it wouldn't help in your case. Who gave you the right to divide females into sexy (feminine) and ugly manly (butch, short-haired) ones? You're a misogynist by doing so. I don't think that the woman who invented feminism according to the hive would approve that. But thanks anyways for teaching me about feminism. I must have missed a lot in all of those Gender/Philosophy classes I took in those 5 years at University |
I read your post before reading what you had commented and felt that there must have been something truly awful said. However when I read Schoolin' LIfe's post I didn't see any of the division of females into only two groups you mentioned. Unless I missed previous comments, I think you've found problems where there is not one. Schoolin' Life merely used two types of women as examples, it was not a case of saying either women dress sexy or as a man.
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Member Since: 6/25/2011
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People are so desperate and trying so hard. Beyoncé is a feminist whether you think she is or not. There is no checklist for what a feminist is supposed to be and must promote. It's asinine to point fingers and try and say who's one and who isn't.
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Originally posted by danitykanelover
whats wrong with her??? she actually has a college education and is more well-versed on the understanding of feminism unlike your undereducated quen bay....
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Please refrain from commenting about something you have no idea about. And it's Queen BEE.
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Member Since: 11/16/2011
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If you think Emma is attacking Beyonce, I think you are mistaken.
I just think she is ignorant to the pop star world because she grew up as a low profile actress with high profile gigs. She doesn't understand that if you don't take your clothes off, you will flounder (with exceptions). Beyonce is doing what she has to, or feels the need to. Emma doesn't understand, but I don't think Emma is saying that Beyonce isn't a true feminist or that she's doing it wrong or anything like that.
They are both feminists, but their beliefs in it are different.
Because feminism is something that hasn't been a high profile issue until lately and it's such a broad (but narrow at the same time, too) goal, that there are many different ideas people will have.
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Originally posted by Red Hot Moon
You don't get sarcasm, do you? What you think you know about prostitution is not the whole picture. Everyone has their own story and reason. I could write an even longer essay about that, but it wouldn't help in your case. Who gave you the right to divide females into sexy (feminine) and ugly manly (butch, short-haired) ones? You're a misogynist by doing so. I don't think that the woman who invented feminism according to the hive would approve that. But thanks anyways for teaching me about feminism. I must have missed a lot in all of those Gender/Philosophy classes I took in those 5 years at University |
NO ONE is saying Beyoncé invented anything. We are not the ones comparing it to everyone else's and nor is Beyoncé the one judging or talking about what other female artists are doing. You are all. She's doing it her way and that's it. If you (and some other FEMALE artists) don't agree, then move on with your life. She's clearly helped a lot of young girls who looks up to her and I'm sure that's all that matters, not what people think she should or shouldn't do in her position.
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The fact that we have 2 threads with "____________ on Beyoncé's feminism" going strong at the same time and no buzz AT ALL about this so called "problem" people have with Beyoncé's way of feminism really speaks volumes as to how much this woman BOTHERS people in this forum. It just shows she's in the right path...
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Originally posted by Pinter
I feel sorry for the hive, because no matter how hard they try to defend their idol, in the next days she's always the one who comes up with the opposite acts; making '****-y' music videos, editing her 'curvy' body on instagram, etc, she is so not feminism in every aspects, i don't get how the hive think the otherwise |
I feel sorry for people who don't understand feminism and think that photoshop or ****tiness means you aren't for the equality of the sexes.
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People who think you can't be sexy and be a feminist at the same time... 
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Originally posted by swissman
I feel sorry for people who don't understand feminism and think that photoshop or ****tiness means you aren't for the equality of the sexes.
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sl-u-ttiness is acting like a ****, i don't think it matches feminism ideas, like d-u-h
I'm not here for beyonce to give feminism a wrong meaning, she's encouraging young girls to act s-lu-tty, and be proud of that? that's like so anti-feminism like d-u-h. :jonny3:
the hive can call her a feminism when she stop exploiting her body in front of camera teasing guys around the world, exploiting your sexuality appeal for the commercial use is not feminism, it's not wrong either, but surely it's not feminism.
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Originally posted by Pinter
sl-u-ttiness is acting like a ****, i don't think it matches feminism ideas, like d-u-h
I'm not here for beyonce to give feminism a wrong meaning, she's encouraging young girls to act s-lu-tty, and be proud of that? that's like so anti-feminism like d-u-h. :jonny3:
the hive can call her a feminism when she stop exploiting her body in front of camera teasing guys around the world, exploiting your sexuality appeal for the commercial use is not feminism, it's not wrong either, but surely it's not feminism. |
You're obviously mixing your own views on modesty and morality into the definition of feminist and you really should not do that. Whatever you feel a woman is when she sleeps with multiple partners does not give you the right to say that it is universally wrong. It is wrong for you, but not or another woman. Acting ****ty does not have to be about the man. Are you forgetting that it's the woman who is also involved. Does she not as well get pleasure from sex?
To you, if a woman is promiscuous she is not a good feminist ie. showing that women should be treated as less than men.
Does this mean that a promiscuous man implies that men should be treated less than women? No.
Lastly, Beyoncé celebrates her body. She does not exploit it. Men may find her attractive but it is not what sells her records. Have you forgotten to whom she sings? Are her fans primarily straight or gay men? There is a difference between Beyoncé celebrating sex with her husband in Partition and Shakira and Rihanna pretending to be lesbians for the camera. One celebrates and the other clearly exploits.
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Now, Swissman, you have to make a decision. Are you praising Beyonce's Behaviour as a faithful wife who limits her sexuality to her husband (as religion and society have told women for centuries) or are you claiming that she actually promotes liberation of female's sexuality? And you contradict yourself even more for portraying Shakira and Rihanna the way you just did. All 3 artists do the same thing, but only one claims she is a feminist. By labelling herself like that she probably hopes to get away with her sexy image/lyrics/performances while Artists like Miley or Rihanna get a lot of heat.
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Member Since: 2/4/2014
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Originally posted by swissman
Lastly, Beyoncé celebrates her body. She does not exploit it. Men may find her attractive but it is not what sells her records. Have you forgotten to whom she sings? Are her fans primarily straight or gay men? There is a difference between Beyoncé celebrating sex with her husband in Partition and Shakira and Rihanna pretending to be lesbians for the camera. One celebrates and the other clearly exploits.
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How you contradict yoursefl. Did you say previously it's not for one woman to judge another's feministic sexuality yet you just did that to Rihanna and Shakira. Shakes head. Carry on.
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