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Celeb News: Madonna Voted #1 - Artists Who Have Helped The LGBT Movement
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Deserved, even if this list is weird. 
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Originally posted by swissman
You're asking too much of the song though. How was Lady Gaga supposed to release a song that appeals to straight men on the subject of LGBT rights? Another artist could but not Gaga. So does that mean she should not have done it at all? Does that mean that the straight women who sang along could not influence their boyfriends, brothers, friends, fathers, etc.? Does that mean that closeted young gays who heard the song on the radio and felt happy about themselves for once is not a step forward for the gay community? Are the already proudly out gays who sang along with it as their new anthem not also perpetuating positivity and a sense of accomplishment?
Maybe it could be argued that Gaga created more of a barrier between gay and hetero people (I don't see it though), but not every gay rights activism has to be in joining straights and gays. It's super important to love yourself for who you even if you do not have the support of other people. You can't move forward as a community if you're waiting for others to accept you. You must always accept yourself first.
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i have the right to ask because i'm gay and she's not, i ( and other gay men ) know what is really good for us, what really make heterosexual people feel whay gay people feel morre than some statement like " hey ! **** everyone, be yourself, it's your life ect ect ", statements like that are old like the earth, if she couldn't deeply understand about gay then don't do it. when i say that strai people dont use her music, that mean the women are included, i hardly find a woman or a teen girl that like lady gaga, the concept of stereotype are real, women tend stay away from something that is too outrageous but gay men are the other way round. sexual-accepting is an unreal concept that only straight people like Lady gaga assigns to homosexual people , it's not like concept of appearance-accepting in " Beautiful " by Xtina, gay or straight automatically act follow their human nature without any orientation from outside
if the gay rights activism has not to be in joining straights and gays, so whose point of view are gay people need to improve ? ourself ? as i said above, sexual-accepting is an unreal concept that straight people like lady gaga assigns to homosexual people
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Originally posted by Nhật Thực
i hardly find a woman or a teen girl that like lady gaga, the concept of stereotype are real, women tend stay away from something that is too outrageous
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Lady Gaga's concert audience pictures alone debunks that.
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Originally posted by Nhật Thực
i have the right to ask because i'm gay and she's not, i ( and other gay men ) know what is really good for us
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Only gay people can champion gays and gay rights? News to me. Because Gaga does it, what, more outrageously or less ambiguously she can't do it, but Madonna can? Or Christina? Or Macklemore, whose song is more black-and-white gay-acceptance anthem-themed song than any Lady Gaga song?
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Originally posted by Nhật Thực
sexual-accepting is an unreal concept that only straight people like Lady gaga assigns to homosexual people
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Personal acceptance is a problem many gay youths face. I was one of them. It is a real issue, whether you faced it or not. The height of ignorance on your part.
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Originally posted by Nhật Thực
i have the right to ask because i'm gay and she's not, i ( and other gay men ) know what is really good for us, what really make heterosexual people feel whay gay people feel morre than some statement like " hey ! **** everyone, be yourself, it's your life ect ect ", statements like that are old like the earth, if she couldn't deeply understand about gay then don't do it. when i say that strai people dont use her music, that mean the women are included, i hardly find a woman or a teen girl that like lady gaga, the concept of stereotype are real, women tend stay away from something that is too outrageous but gay men are the other way round. sexual-accepting is an unreal concept that only straight people like Lady gaga assigns to homosexual people , it's not like concept of appearance-accepting in " Beautiful " by Xtina, gay or straight automatically act follow their human nature without any orientation from outside
if the gay rights activism has not to be in joining straights and gays, so whose point of view are gay people need to improve ? ourself ? as i said above, sexual-accepting is an unreal concept that straight people like lady gaga assigns to homosexual people
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So are you saying that homosexual people have no problem with accepting themselves for who they are? That's certainly not the case.
I agree it's message is not revolutionary but why are you downplaying Gaga for being one of the only popstars to support the gays and go so far as to write a song that champions them? You say she is not gay so shouldn't make a song for gays, and then you contradict this by talking about how straight and gay people need to be joined together.
I'm not sure you know what is good for the gay community if you think that self-acceptance is not an important factor. If you don't accept yourself you will never come out. If you never come out you will never raise visibility of the community. If you never raise visibility of the community then we will be seen as something less than normal. And if that happens we will never be treated as equal. Gay rights start in the heart of the gays. The more that people are out the more we cannot be ignored and the more normal we seem to straight people.
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Originally posted by Bang Up
Gaga's never made a "gay anthem", nor has she even said her song was a gay anthem. That was everyone else while she actively fought against that title because, as she said, the song mentions everyone and not just gay people. Do not forcefully place that label upon her song and then blame her for it.
In addition, there is just as much criticism of Madonna's support as there is Gaga's. She has been slammed for her "exploitation" just as much as Gaga has, but somehow she is more sincere? I mean, Madonna literally latched onto stereotypical , the new hot thing at the moment, and performed with him while they, two straight people, married a bunch of gay people at the Grammys. Is that not exploitation?
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dont worry, BTW is not a gay anthem for sure.
i dont hear of anyone calling Madonna exploiting gay except LMs, and you. the only reason straight people used to hate her for supporting gays is because gay was stereotypically related to Aids in 90s. you sound 12, Madonna's been always supporting gays since the beginning of her career. just because she's 50+ now does that mean she doesn't have the right to support gays anymore with anyone ? how was performing with Mackelmore exploitaion while she didn't have album or tour to promo at the time ?
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Madonna has always embraced the community even when it wasn't "cool". Yes, she's added to my list. Can't believe I forgot ha and Ms. Jackson.
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Originally posted by swissman
So are you saying that homosexual people have no problem with accepting themselves for who they are? That's certainly not the case.
I agree it's message is not revolutionary but why are you downplaying Gaga for being one of the only popstars to support the gays and go so far as to write a song that champions them? You say she is not gay so shouldn't make a song for gays, and then you contradict this by talking about how straight and gay people need to be joined together.
I'm not sure you know what is good for the gay community if you think that self-acceptance is not an important factor. If you don't accept yourself you will never come out. If you never come out you will never raise visibility of the community. If you never raise visibility of the community then we will be seen as something less than normal. And if that happens we will never be treated as equal. Gay rights start in the heart of the gays. The more that people are out the more we cannot be ignored and the more normal we seem to straight people.
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self-accepting inludes many term, sexuality-accepting, appearence-accepting, race-accepting......what kind of them are you refering to ?
i said she shouldn't make a song about LGBT if she didn't deeply know about us AS AN ARTIST AN SONGWRITTER, it has nothing to do with straight and gay people being joined together which mean they should identify with each other, you have problem with comprehension skill ?
sexual - acceptance ( self-acceptence if you prefer this term ) is different from having the brave to express yourself, sexual-acceptance is an unreal concept because if you accept your sexual orienation or not, finally you will automatically listen to your sexual desire, while coming out belong to expressing concept and even if you express yourself without understanding of society, it just make society being more antipathic to you
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I know I didn't just see Demi Lovato on that list.
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What kind of pressed Gaga haters LOL
We see you Swag
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Originally posted by Nhật Thực
self-accepting inludes many term, sexuality-accepting, appearence-accepting, race-accepting......what kind of them are you refering to ?
i said she shouldn't make a song about LGBT if she didn't deeply know about us AS AN ARTIST AN SONGWRITTER, it has nothing to do with straight and gay people being joined together which mean they should identify with each other, you have problem with comprehension skill ?
sexual - acceptance ( self-acceptence if you prefer this term ) is different from having the brave to express yourself, sexual-acceptance is an unreal concept because if you accept your sexual orienation or not, finally you will automatically listen to your sexual desire, while coming out belong to expressing concept and even if you express yourself without understanding of society, it just make society being more antipathic to you
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I'm very obviously talking about sexual-acceptance. What else have we been talking about and what else could I be referring to when I've mentioned gay rights so many times?
You cannot say that Gaga doesn't know about gay people as an artist. Are you implying she's never met one, never had one as a friend, never sympathized with one, never been a member of the LGBT community (she has said she is bi)?
Anyway though, you are wrong about sexual-acceptance being an unreal concept. There are so many generations of men and women who never came out and never just listened to their sexual desires. There are many people now who go to camps to become straight. Sexual-Acceptance needs to happen, it just doesn't automatically happen. And even if it is bound to happen eventually, it is far better for it to happen earlier than later. Coming out when you're 14 will always be better than coming out at 40.
Lastly, Gaga made her song to teach young gays that they are perfect as they are. Is this a problem? Is she harming the community? If it hasn't helped you does that mean it won't help anyone? You should stop trying so hard. It's really very simple.
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Originally posted by Rusty
Lady Gaga's concert audience pictures alone debunks that.
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that's why i used the world " stereotype " which reflects many invidiual groups of people, at leat in my country, it's right
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Originally posted by Rusty
Only gay people can champion gays and gay rights? News to me. Because Gaga does it, what, more outrageously or less ambiguously she can't do it, but Madonna can? Or Christina? Or Macklemore, whose song is more black-and-white gay-acceptance anthem-themed song than any Lady Gaga song?
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which ego of Madonna are you referring to ? outrageous Madonna or feminine Madonna ? she used to be hated in 80s for being outrageous but unlike lady gaga,she know how to reinvent herself to taking back the love from society so dont compare her to lady gaga, and Mackelmore doesn't mention gays as much as lady gaga, she keeps mentions gays just for a reason
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Originally posted by Rusty
Personal acceptance is a problem many gay youths face. I was one of them. It is a real issue, whether you faced it or not. The height of ignorance on your part.
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you mean that you can't accept your sexual orrientation or dont have the brave for coming out ? they're two difference things, howrever should i believe what you said ?
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Nhat talking in circles while Swissman lays it down. 
Some people, ie Madonna fans, need to put their stan glasses down at certain times.
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Demi though? 
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Slay Demi
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Originally posted by swissman
I'm very obviously talking about sexual-acceptance. What else have we been talking about and what else could I be referring to when I've mentioned gay rights so many times?
You cannot say that Gaga doesn't know about gay people as an artist. Are you implying she's never met one, never had one as a friend, never sympathized with one, never been a member of the LGBT community (she has said she is bi)?
Anyway though, you are wrong about sexual-acceptance being an unreal concept. There are so many generations of men and women who never came out and never just listened to their sexual desires. There are many people now who go to camps to become straight. Sexual-Acceptance needs to happen, it just doesn't automatically happen. And even if it is bound to happen eventually, it is far better for it to happen earlier than later. Coming out when you're 14 will always be better than coming out at 40.
Lastly, Gaga made her song to teach young gays that they are perfect as they are. Is this a problem? Is she harming the community? If it hasn't helped you does that mean it won't help anyone? You should stop trying so hard. It's really very simple.
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OMG you keeps being fail at understand the difference between sexual-acceptance and self-expressing when keep refering sexual-acceptance and coming out in the same phrase, it's more absurd with straight when they know that they are attractive to male or female at puberty. you said that there are many people now who go to camps to become straight, i need the TRUE proof because i only know about that kind of story through gay movies. having a gay friend doesnt mean you know them at all, many gay movie directors have to contact with gay people for a long time to make their movies more real, but what we watch on gay movies never look like real life.
self esteem is an old theme that many artists had made before her, she just repeat it absurdly
i mean " Don't be a drag, just be a queen " ? how about gay men that dont like to dress like a drag or a queen either ? she has a narrow view of gay community
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Originally posted by Kkamjong
Notice this says "HELP" not "EXPLOIT" (in addition to giving a bad name to the LGBT community) if you're wondering why a certain name isn't on this list
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Glad to see Janet at #2
LMFAO at Gaga being excluded 
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Originally posted by Shapes
a little choked that Ke$ha isn't on the list, seems odd after all the work she did helping gay kids with "We R Who We R"
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I'd never heard that We R Who We R was to help LGBT community maybe according to her fans but not the rest of the world. 
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Madonna definitely deserves the #1 spot.
Mess @ Gaga, Cher, and Elton John being excluded when Macklemore and Demi were #3 and #4 respectively. Maybe if they were towards the lower end of the list it would be fine.
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QUEEN of everything.
And some of you need to stop being so bothered that your fave didn't make the list. Maybe she isn't really helpful as you're trying to portray. VOGUE
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