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Discussion: Talking about Iggy to White people?
Member Since: 1/11/2012
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Originally posted by Latch
She me the proof where it's not true,
and I'll show you every page of this thread where someone has tried to turn cultural appropriation into something "not so important" simply because it doesn't affect them and they can't understand it
Show me da receipts where it's not true,
so we can talk about how the gay movement is mainly beneficial to White gays who can fit a certain mold, whereas the sistrens of color hardly even see themselves represented in the media
Or how these gals get on Grindr talking about, "No Black, no Asian, No non-White Latinos, nobody with any melanin at all, just colorless, straight-acting gym buddies/tennis partners," and it's chalked up to "oh, just a preference, not rooted in racism and definitely not a social issue"
Even with race-based discrimination,
it's often presented as a very American, Black vs White thing,
and people forget that there are also other groups whose problems aren't being addressed
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I'm a straight white man and women's rights issues weigh heavily on me on a daily basis because I see women being treated poorly. I shouldn't care, I should be treating them poorly as well. I'm not a woman, why should I care? But I do.
Your generalizations might work for some arguments and your specific examples up there do indeed show that sometimes people don't care about issues if it doesn't affect them, but it's ignorant to say that it applies to everyone because you have a very specific worldview that doesn't see the full picture.
You seem educated but arrogant.
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Member Since: 10/1/2011
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Originally posted by Latch
She me the proof where it's not true,
and I'll show you every page of this thread where someone has tried to turn cultural appropriation into something "not so important" simply because it doesn't affect them and they can't understand it
Show me da receipts where it's not true,
so we can talk about how the gay movement is mainly beneficial to White gays who can fit a certain mold, whereas the sistrens of color hardly even see themselves represented in the media
Or how these gals get on Grindr talking about, "No Black, no Asian, No non-White Latinos, nobody with any melanin at all, just colorless, straight-acting gym buddies/tennis partners," and it's chalked up to "oh, just a preference, not rooted in racism and definitely not a social issue"
Even with race-based discrimination,
it's often presented as a very American, Black vs White thing,
and people forget that there are also other groups whose problems aren't being addressed
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Member Since: 2/2/2014
Posts: 6,765
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Quote:
Originally posted by Latch
She me the proof where it's not true,
and I'll show you every page of this thread where someone has tried to turn cultural appropriation into something "not so important" simply because it doesn't affect them and they can't understand it
Show me da receipts where it's not true,
so we can talk about how the gay movement is mainly beneficial to White gays who can fit a certain mold, whereas the sistrens of color hardly even see themselves represented in the media
Or how these gals get on Grindr talking about, "No Black, no Asian, No non-White Latinos, nobody with any melanin at all, just colorless, straight-acting gym buddies/tennis partners," and it's chalked up to "oh, just a preference, not rooted in racism and definitely not a social issue"
Even with race-based discrimination,
it's often presented as a very American, Black vs White thing,
and people forget that there are also other groups whose problems aren't being addressed
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Member Since: 6/25/2012
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Originally posted by Doc
No, not in the same way, because blonde white girls didn't originate rap music.  Moreover, mainstream society doesn't embrace black rock artists like they embrace the Iggys and the Macklemores of this world.
dd I already said on the second page that this thread isn't for people who can't read critically or reply thoughtfully. I'm on mobile, so I'm not going to continue putting effort into replying to this foolishness. |
uh Darius Rucker just had a huge hit on Country i cant even think of a black rock artist but im sure if country can use black people so can rock
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Originally posted by GotSkill
you say that, yet when I explicitly asked to have a discussion with you you edited out any piece of my actually argument and quoted the part saying I didn't read the whole article (which I now have) and told me I'm unable to understand anything?? I don't know why I bother trying. I'm trying to have an actual conversation here but the only responses I'm getting to my comments are "you're 100% right" or "get out you have no brain"
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I quoted your first two or so sentences because that's all I needed to know. You claim to have read the arguments in here, yet you think my argument an the authors argument is that Iggy is only successful because of her skin. Since that is clearly not my argument, and nothing I have posted had indicated that, I can't have this discussion with you.
I've already discussed this in this thread with people who both have an opposing viewpoint and at least comprehended mine. We can discuss this once you can do that. Otherwise, I just don't have the time!
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i swear iggy haters are always reaching.
just like Native American Culture was quick assimilated into American culture, so will black American culture.
Just Get Over it. All Cultures will be the same and there WILL BE NO Black American Culture. Just American Culture.
The Queen of Hip-Hop is still unbothered by this writer's attempts and remains #1 on the charts.
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Member Since: 9/4/2012
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Originally posted by Doc
I would recommend reading the article and the thread then.
This thread (and the article) isn't even an attack on Iggy and that's made very clear in the majority of this thread.
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I've read the article, and several points the article makes I've seen made on this site with an added dose of sass. I've continued to maintain reasonable judgement on Iggy's personal and professional lives.
I don't think the purpose is to attack, but trying to hold grudges based on stuff that happened four years ago or claiming that she's appropriating culture in the same way Miley Cyrus did is really unfair. People have done that here, and the article does try to make it a point to mention that type of cultural appropriation. I've already said my piece regarding those points.
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Member Since: 6/25/2012
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Originally posted by GotSkill
!!!!!!!!! x10000000
And certain mods/members are so unwilling to hold an actual discussion about this that they're saying everyone who doesn't agree with their position is racist/stupid, and then try to argue that those of us trying to hold a discussion should leave and we have nothing to say
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pretty much 
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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Originally posted by Dollas n Diamonds
uh Darius Rucker just had a huge hit on Country i cant even think of a black rock artist but im sure if country can use black people so can rock
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Another girl that didn't understand. How is country relevant when country did not originate from black people?
Moreover, call me when Darius gets an article like "Country Music is run by a Black Man".
Mess.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Doc
I quoted your first two or so sentences because that's all I needed to know. You claim to have read the arguments in here, yet you think my argument an the authors argument is that Iggy is only successful because of her skin. Since that is clearly not my argument, and nothing I have posted had indicated that, I can't have this discussion with you.
I've already discussed this in this thread with people who both have an opposing viewpoint and at least comprehended mine. We can discuss this once you can do that. Otherwise, I just don't have the time!
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But so far your argument is my brain can't comprehend and I don't understand the article? I'm not sure how to reply to that...
Like I've been saying since my first post in this thread I'd love to discuss when discussion arises, so whenever anyone's ready for a real discussion. And please tell me or at least link me to something to reply to, I am definitely not the problem here and I have never been one to be stuck in my argument (receipts in basically any thread ever). I'm not an Iggy stan, I'm not a Macklemore stan, I listen to all genres and all races, I have absolutely no biases. I'm ready to discuss.
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Lol. This is too funny. 
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Originally posted by accelgors
but...why are these things bad? yeah, a lot of white people make rock music, but how does that harm anyone? it's not that i don't believe appropriation exists, it's just that i don't understand why people think it's always a morally wrong thing to do. it's a bad thing that these kinds of songs get more successful if they're done by white people, but how are the white people themselves doing something immoral?
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It erases black people's struggle and success. There's nothing wrong with white people going into these genres the problem is when the white public or writers or award committee praise them to the high heavens as if what they do hasn't been done before and usually they praise and award these white artists more so than they do black artists who are some of the times doing it better. I think even Kanye said he hasn't won a Grammy in the rap category when going against Eminem. Things that originate in the black community often become "cool" or "successful" when white people do it.
And for those who keep arguing about white privilege. No one is saying being white guarantees you success or wealth but if you put a black person (or any minority) and a white person in the same circumstances, the only difference being their skin color, white people will almost always benefit more
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Quote:
Originally posted by Latch
She me the proof where it's not true,
and I'll show you every page of this thread where someone has tried to turn cultural appropriation into something "not so important" simply because it doesn't affect them and they can't understand it
Show me da receipts where it's not true,
so we can talk about how the gay movement is mainly beneficial to White gays who can fit a certain mold, whereas the sistrens of color hardly even see themselves represented in the media
Or how these gals get on Grindr talking about, "No Black, no Asian, No non-White Latinos, nobody with any melanin at all, just colorless, straight-acting gym buddies/tennis partners," and it's chalked up to "oh, just a preference, not rooted in racism and definitely not a social issue"
Even with race-based discrimination,
it's often presented as a very American, Black vs White thing,
and people forget that there are also other groups whose problems aren't being addressed
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This is one of those posts that make me remember that there are educated people still left in this generation.
Not even just educated but AWARE that the world isn't just that simple and it never will be as long as people choose to sweep things like this, under the rug.
Just because it doesn't effect you, doesn't mean it's not an issue. Race is still prevalent and a factor in almost everything.
Iggy's career is no different and people need to stop pretending it doesn't.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by ethan
I'm a straight white man and women's rights issues weigh heavily on me on a daily basis because I see women being treated poorly. I shouldn't care, I should be treating them poorly as well. I'm not a woman, why should I care? But I do.
Your generalizations might work for some arguments and your specific examples up there do indeed show that sometimes people don't care about issues if it doesn't affect them, but it's ignorant to say that it applies to everyone because you have a very specific worldview that doesn't see the full picture.
You seem educated but arrogant.
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GUr,
don't be getting all literal
I didn't mean for it to come off that way
It was a general statement and clearly doesn't apply to everyone
We wouldn't even have such things as the civil rights movement if it were true that every single living, breathing human being did not care about the issues of others
and i'm not arrogant
am just fanceh
yew already knooow
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Originally posted by Doc
Another girl that didn't understand. How is country relevant when country did not originate from black people?
Moreover, call me when Darius gets an article like "Country Music is run by a Black Man".
Mess.
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Why are you bringing Darius into this?
Black privilege at it's finest.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by maiko
i swear iggy haters are always reaching.
just like Native American Culture was quick assimilated into American culture, so will black American culture.
Just Get Over it. All Cultures will be the same and there WILL BE NO Black American Culture. Just American Culture.
The Queen of Hip-Hop is still unbothered by this writer's attempts and remains #1 on the charts.
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any questions?
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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Originally posted by Quietly Trek
I've read the article, and several points the article makes I've seen made on this site with an added dose of sass. I've continued to maintain reasonable judgement on Iggy's personal and professional lives.
I don't think the purpose is to attack, but trying to hold grudges based on stuff that happened four years ago or claiming that she's appropriating culture in the same way Miley Cyrus did is really unfair. People have done that here, and the article does try to make it a point to mention that type of cultural appropriation. I've already said my piece regarding those points.
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I like Iggy, so I'm not here to talk about her tweets or her character. That's not directly relevant to this article. The purpose of this thread and the article was to have a discussion about race, music, and society in America.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by maiko
Why are you bringing Darius into this?
Black privilege at it's finest. |
always sweeping Whites, their issues, under the rug
Why for?
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Member Since: 6/25/2012
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Originally posted by Doc
Another girl that didn't understand. How is country relevant when country did not originate from black people?
Moreover, call me when Darius gets an article like "Country Music is run by a Black Man".
Mess.
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really? cause ive heard different from other people on this board. apparently black people invented all music but whatever
Ya'll are so damn bothered by that article
the title was obviously a ploy for controversy/intrest for people who otherwise wouldn't care
the Queen of Pop title gets tossed around to literally all our faves when they have a magazine shoot or something
Who. cares.
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